lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 2, 2016 4:57:47 GMT
Can someone clarify for me why Michigan taxpayers may have to pay $4M for the recount? “The cost of this recount to Michigan taxpayers could easily reach into the millions of dollars. Based on Wisconsin’s estimate, Michigan taxpayers could be paying $4 million despite the $1 million the Green Party nominee must pay to have the recount," said Johnson in a statement. (Johnson is Michigan’s Sec of State) I thought J Stein was able to raise enough money to cover recounts in 3 states. Didn’t the states provide Stein with estimates beforehand and that’s why she knew approximately how much in donations she needed to solicit? (And, evidently, Trump did file a formal objection. link )
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Post by micheley on Dec 2, 2016 5:00:34 GMT
I believe the amount that Jill Stein was quoted for Wisconsin recount and the amount they actually charged her was off by over a million dollars?
************************************* Friends, I have an important message for you. We need your help to stand up to the powerful forces trying to block our recount campaign for citizen democracy. We received word yesterday that the final estimate for the filing fee for the recount in Wisconsin is $3.5 million – an outrageous cost increase from the initial estimate of $1.1 million that was given to us by WI state elections officials based on the last statewide recount. But thanks to over 130,000 small donors like you, we have enough money in hand to pay this fee and move forward with the recount!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 5:37:56 GMT
What I find is interesting is Trump filing an objection to the recount. It makes one wonder what he is afraid of. I don't think anyone expects the outcome to change it's just dotting the " i " and crossing the "t".
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Dec 2, 2016 5:40:00 GMT
Maybe the person or group wanting a recount should pony up the funds to pay for it.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Dec 2, 2016 6:19:57 GMT
I believe MI law requires the person who is requesting the recount to pay $250 per county. The state is obligated to pick up the balance. This is a right of Stein's to question the vote count. It doesn't matter where she placed in the election, just the fact that she ran during the election gives her this right.
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Post by mlynn on Dec 2, 2016 7:03:43 GMT
I think Stein is acting as "beard" for the Clinton campaign.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 2, 2016 11:39:38 GMT
Maybe the person or group wanting a recount should pony up the funds to pay for it. Uh...they did. Stein fundraiser and people voluntarily donated.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 2, 2016 11:41:03 GMT
I think Stein is acting as "beard" for the Clinton campaign. Kinda like Trumpster is a "beard" for the alt-right, white nationalists?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 2, 2016 12:32:02 GMT
I think Stein is acting as "beard" for the Clinton campaign. I want to thank you for preceding your claim with the words "I think...". I believe it's important to qualify opinions, especially these days when so many people read - and then repeat - opinions that are presented as facts as proven. (Ironically, on another thread, we've got someone presenting this same opinion as fact AND following it up with an exasperated "Why can't [HRC] just admit it?") Words matter. I wish we would pay more attention to that here. (Yes, everybody here.)
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Dec 2, 2016 12:40:11 GMT
Maybe the person or group wanting a recount should pony up the funds to pay for it. Unless you are from Michigan you aren't paying for it either and don't get a say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:08:29 GMT
Maybe the person or group wanting a recount should pony up the funds to pay for it. Unless you are from Michigan you aren't paying for it either and don't get a say. Has the recount effort only accepted donations from Michigan residents? In the end, we all pay for it, whatever it is. Just like we all paid for the billions Michigan got from the ARRA in '09. Unless and until Michigan stops accepting federal funds for anything and removes itself from the national elections, we all get a say. Save
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Post by jayfab on Dec 2, 2016 13:13:04 GMT
What I find is interesting is Trump filing an objection to the recount. It makes one wonder what he is afraid of. I don't think anyone expects the outcome to change it's just dotting the " i " and crossing the "t". Yup. I too wonder what he is afraid of.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 2, 2016 13:46:01 GMT
I believe MI law requires the person who is requesting the recount to pay $250 per county. The state is obligated to pick up the balance. This is a right of Stein's to question the vote count. It doesn't matter where she placed in the election, just the fact that she ran during the election gives her this right. Ok, thanks, I understand now. BTW, I’m not questioning Stein’s right to ask for a recount, I was merely under the wrong impression that the private funds solicited would fully cover the costs.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Dec 2, 2016 13:49:05 GMT
Unless you are from Michigan you aren't paying for it either and don't get a say. Has the recount effort only accepted donations from Michigan residents? In the end, we all pay for it, whatever it is. Just like we all paid for the billions Michigan got from the ARRA in '09. Unless and until Michigan stops accepting federal funds for anything and removes itself from the national elections, we all get a say. SaveDonations are purely voluntary, so I don't understand *that point. The rest, fair enough, I suppose, if it will indeed cost tax payers. However, I firmly believe *whenever* there is a question about an election's integrity, those questions need to be answered and questions were raised in these states. For me it isn't about changing the election but about maintaining the integrity of our system and I don't understand *anyone* willing to give that integrity away in an effort to save money. That seems dangerous. For the record, I voted for neither Clinton, Trump or Stein. And when I voted for Bush and Gore asked for a recount, I took the same exact position.
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Post by cade387 on Dec 2, 2016 13:58:10 GMT
I'm in MI and considering we haven't even certified the official results why are we paying a for a recount?
ETA - I'm far more pissed that I'm paying for Snyder's personal legal counsel regarding Flint and that they still don't have drinkable water over a year later than I am about this.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 2, 2016 14:09:47 GMT
What I don't understand is how this recount costs so much. The staff at the Board of Elections is already being paid. I've seen a little of 1 million in costs in most of the other media reports, not 4 million.
I wonder why the taxpayers of Illinois are on the hook for $7 million dollars in tax incentives for Carrier to remain in Illinois to keep 1000 jobs. That $7000 per worker. So that Trump can get his publicity.
That's $7 million that won't go to schools, children in foster care, roads, bridge repair, etc.
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Post by littlemama on Dec 2, 2016 14:23:28 GMT
What I find is interesting is Trump filing an objection to the recount. It makes one wonder what he is afraid of. I don't think anyone expects the outcome to change it's just dotting the " i " and crossing the "t". The fact that he is objecting to this one tells me that there is something going on here. Everyone should want to be sure the election results are fair and accurate. It still shocks me that the Supreme Court halted the FL recount when the recount in process had already narrowed the gap by half.
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Post by *sprout* on Dec 2, 2016 14:51:42 GMT
I'm in MI and considering we haven't even certified the official results why are we paying a for a recount?
Michigan’s presidential election was certified earlier this week. www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_8722_76444-397762--,00.html Eta: Sorry! I don't know how to make a clickable link on my phone.
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Post by putabuttononit on Dec 2, 2016 17:46:00 GMT
What I find is interesting is Trump filing an objection to the recount. It makes one wonder what he is afraid of. I don't think anyone expects the outcome to change it's just dotting the " i " and crossing the "t". Yup. I too wonder what he is afraid of. Given the victory we witnessed, I doubt he's afraid of anything but more unwise, frivolous spending.
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Anita
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Post by Anita on Dec 2, 2016 17:54:31 GMT
Yup. I too wonder what he is afraid of. Given the victory we witnessed, I doubt he's afraid of anything but more unwise, frivolous spending. Given their announced living arrangements, I doubt he gives a crap about unwise, frivolous spending.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 18:20:30 GMT
Yup. I too wonder what he is afraid of. Given the victory we witnessed, I doubt he's afraid of anything but more unwise, frivolous spending. In all honesty if Trump had lost, and after all his talk of rigged elections, do you not think he would have asked for a recount in every state that he lost? His ego would have demanded it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 2, 2016 21:05:01 GMT
Unless you are from Michigan you aren't paying for it either and don't get a say. Has the recount effort only accepted donations from Michigan residents? In the end, we all pay for it, whatever it is. Just like we all paid for the billions Michigan got from the ARRA in '09. Unless and until Michigan stops accepting federal funds for anything and removes itself from the national elections, we all get a say. SaveYeah, but those who live out of state it's voluntary to pay!! Want to talk about "who's paying for it?" Who, exactly, is paying for The Trumpster's Victory Tour? Seriously. I don't recall any other prez-elect taking a victory lap around the country after they won. There are travel expenses and secret service $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by gardengoddess on Dec 2, 2016 22:26:01 GMT
The court denied Donald's lawsuit over the recount! YAY! It will proceed as planned. I'm surprised that people would complain over the cost considering the millions and millions of taxpayers dollars spent on emails and BENGHAZI!! with nary a word. papercrafteradvocate That's no Victory Tour, that's a "Please all you suckers, stroke my ego some more, will ya" tour.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 2, 2016 22:31:38 GMT
Maybe the person or group wanting a recount should pony up the funds to pay for it. I thought that was "the rule" and why J. Stein had to raise 4M to pay for it. Perhaps each state has a rule on who pays for the recount. I have no knowledge of the rules.
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Post by jayfab on Dec 2, 2016 23:21:24 GMT
Yup. I too wonder what he is afraid of. Given the victory we witnessed, I doubt he's afraid of anything but more unwise, frivolous spending. Good grief the spender in chief doesn't give a rats patoot about frivolous spending. If he cared about frivolous spending he wouldn't spend a million dollars A DAY for his child and wife remain in NYC. SaveSave
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