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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 7, 2016 18:21:38 GMT
So the high school my daughter will probably go to next year has two options.
The regular high school which has an honors heavy curriculum and 19 AP courses. Approx 300 students per year/grade
Or the School within a school, which is sort of a high school within the high school. It is smaller less than 100 students in the year/grade.
All the classes are honors. They have access to all the AP classes at the regular high school, but generally scheduling conflicts make it tough to take very many so most go next door to the community college and take dual enrollment classes.
Apparently it is easier to get into the Com Coll. classes then the AP classes.
Students from both schools do electives together, sports etc.
My daughter does very well in English/History/Languages. But struggles in science and math.
If she was at the regular high school I think she would take a lot of AP classes in the areas that she is strong in. If she was at the smaller school within, she might be able to get some math/science credits from the Community college and get them taken care of before university.
I'm curious as to what the Peas think about AP vs. Community College credits??
ETA: She will probably study theatre at University. If she doesn't change her mind, she would like to do a BFA, conservatory type program at University.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 7, 2016 18:27:46 GMT
I've had both AP & 2year community college classes transfer on to 4 year programs and I've had both be denied. I will ultimately be up to the school your child attends wether or not it transfers and what they accept it as.
However if you take the actual college courses and get a B- or a C you still have college credit for something somewhere. If it isn't transferred to another college then it is still college credit at that community college. If you take AP classes and score mediocre in the tests and no one accepts it you don't have any credit anywhere.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 7, 2016 18:36:29 GMT
I'd go with the community college route. Even if what she takes there isn't accepted within her college major she could get some elective credits taken care of. My ds went to community college for about three semesters. He's in a 4-year university now and has been able to skip a required English class, and a required math class. The others are counting as electives. He had one history class at community college which might have transferred as a required class except that he's a history major. The university wants all the majors' classes to be from there. But basically his electives and two requirements are taken care of because the credits transferred.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:51:05 GMT
My suggestion is community college. In order for her AP to count she will have to take the AP tests and score a high enough grade on the test to get a chance at university credit; that assumes the univ 1)gives credits and 2) gives credits for the tests she took. They may not have an equivalent course to the AP test so you can't automatically assume the work will have been worth it.
There is a chance community college credits won't transfer but in my experience that is much less often an issue than with AP. And the cc credits will transfer with a grade of C or higher instead of a top level grade required for AP.
The best way to ensure cc will transfer is to check the transfer practices between your chosen cc and your state's flagship university. If they accept the credits you will have less problems transferring them anywhere. It might be something you want to consider when she starts looking at her university... who will or won't take the cc credits.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 7, 2016 18:54:30 GMT
My son did both. Some of his AP classes counted as credits for college. All of his community college classes did. It will just depend on the college she wants to attend. They are all a bit different with requirements and each state can be different too. My son's junior and senior year in high school got him 35 college credits towards his degree in college. I think we paid for eight of those credits (reduced price) and the high school paid for the rest. So my son's "freshman" year cost us about $600. While those credits did transfer, it meant that his elective classes were already taken care of and he has been in math and science classes for two years. He hasn't had an "easy" or less stringent class since he started. My son thought the community college classes were easier than his AP courses in high school. But that was comparing electives to AP math and science.
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Post by utmr on Dec 7, 2016 18:59:01 GMT
I'd recommend the dual credit route. AP credit varies widely between schools, even within branches of our state schools.
For example. Italian score of 5 is worth 14 hours at UT San Antonio, zero at UT Dallas and zero at UT Austin (flagship). Spanish score 4 UTSA 16, UTD 9, UT 21. German score 5 UTSA 23 hours, UTD 9, UT 12.
How is it possible that the same score can vary so much between schools in the same system? I understand community college vs Harvard, but these are schools in the same system, separated only by 5 hours of I-35!
If you wanted to make the argument that Austin is the flagship and should be more selective, it still doesn't explain the other two.
If you take the class at the community college the four-year school has to at least give elective credit for it. And in state, the four year school has to give like-for-like credit for core classes.
So after watching DD bust her butt in the AP classes, I'm steering DS towards the dual credit wherever possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 19:06:28 GMT
I'd recommend the dual credit route. AP credit varies widely between schools, even within branches of our state schools. For example. Italian score of 5 is worth 14 hours at UT San Antonio, zero at UT Dallas and zero at UT Austin (flagship). Spanish score 4 UTSA 16, UTD 9, UT 21. German score 5 UTSA 23 hours, UTD 9, UT 12. How is it possible that the same score can vary so much between schools in the same system? I understand community college vs Harvard, but these are schools in the same system, separated only by 5 hours of I-35! If you wanted to make the argument that Austin is the flagship and should be more selective, it still doesn't explain the other two. If you take the class at the community college the four-year school has to at least give elective credit for it. And in state, the four year school has to give like-for-like credit for core classes. So after watching DD bust her butt in the AP classes, I'm steering DS towards the dual credit wherever possible. Other factors are how the AP curriculum mirrors/overlaps the universities course offerings. UT Dallas may not offer any Italian language classes therefore there is no equivalency that can be filled. AP can be used to fill equivalent college courses assuming the univ offers something equivalent to the AP curriculum.
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Post by utmr on Dec 7, 2016 19:35:54 GMT
I understand if they don't offer Italian for example. But then why would Spanish would vary so much? Makes no sense.
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Post by Portia on Dec 7, 2016 19:41:27 GMT
For what it's worth, our DS has taken mostly honors/AP classes--no Running Start classes (that's what they call it here, taking classes that give you dual high school/college credit)...he will be going into an honor college next year, and his AP credits won't transfer over, BUT (and here's my main point)--we have told him that the object of his AP classes isn't to get college credit (although that would have been great), but to have an enriched learning environment. The AP classes at his school are taught by really great teachers--he also has been able to be in classes with like minded kids...he doesn't make friends/connections easily, but that population seems to be a bit more accepting to him than the general population. I think it would depend on the child, but for us, the AP/honors route has worked out well.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 7, 2016 19:53:32 GMT
In our district, students take AP classes to gain more knowledge for SAT, show rigor for college admission and scholarships and attain the highest high school grade point possible.
The dual credit classes are taken if college credit is the leading goal. It's a shame they aren't considered as "worthy" as the AP classes, but our highest achieving students stick with AP-in our district.
I have one child who took and scored high in ten AP tests. Not all count for college credit in his current major. And another who will likely only take 4-5. We will steer him to dual credit in others.
You need to look at what your child's goal is for taking each type.
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Post by Linda on Dec 7, 2016 19:57:09 GMT
Both my oldest and my middle (a high school Junior) have done the AP route. No regrets about it so far.
One of the deciding factors for US was that there's no transportation available to the community college - students or parents have to provide transportation. My oldest didn't get his license until after graduation, my middle has had her learners for 1y7m now and still isn't ready to test so she may well be a Senior by the time she does. I'm a sahm but I don't drive. So transportation was a big factor for US because the AP courses are available at the high school and the dual enrollment ones aren't.
Now for my middle one - many of the dual enrollment classes are now available online so she COULD take them without leaving the high school campus BUT she didn't find online classes a good fit when she's tried them in the past AND she wanted to take the AP classes - her friends were in them, she knew the teachers (some her brother had, two are her Academic Team coaches), she preferred AP to dual enrollment.
Another factor to consider - especially if you have other children in the public schools - is that the dual enrollment classes follow the college calender not the high school one and the days off are usually different.
Also - if the student is looking at competitive schools - some don't accept EITHER dual enrollment or AP credit BUT they do consider how rigourous the courses taken were. And of course, some accept only one or the other so if she has a college in mind - that's something to consider.
For MY family (and every family is different) - my older two choose AP classes because they wanted the challenge of more rigourous classwork as well as having other students in the class there because they wanted to be there. Dual enrollment probably would have done that as well for them.
My oldest went from high school to community college - he chose not to apply to college his senior year (even though he had a strong academic record and probably could have gone to a decent Univ.) so that was the default (fwiw he turned 18 early in Senior year - so adult decisions have adult consequences). As it turned out it was a good fit for him and he earnt his AA degree while living at home and working. He has no college debt from that. He's now in the Navy and finishing up his B.A.S in Logistics online from overseas - and should graduate with NO debt. He was able to take more elective classes in CC because the AP classes knocked out some of his required courses. He had the option of graduating early (as they knocked out enough courses) BUT one of his required for his major classes was only offered Spring semester so he ended up finishing on time due to the scheduling factor. Since both his comm. college and the college he's attending now are part of our state college system - all his credits transfer (and that would ALSO have been true had he done dual enrollment).
Now my middle child plans to go to a state college in a neighbouring state - a strong transcript isn't a factor for admissions, it's not esp. competitive, although she has a strong transcript and like my son, could apply to a more competitive school. I'm not sure if our state's dual enrollment classes are accepted or not - I suspect it's a case by case basis. They do accept AP credit for scores 3 and higher although she'll have to pass a state test in order to receive credit for the AP US Hist and/or US Govt.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 7, 2016 19:58:16 GMT
For what it's worth, our DS has taken mostly honors/AP classes--no Running Start classes (that's what they call it here, taking classes that give you dual high school/college credit)...he will be going into an honor college next year, and his AP credits won't transfer over, BUT (and here's my main point)--we have told him that the object of his AP classes isn't to get college credit (although that would have been great), but to have an enriched learning environment. The AP classes at his school are taught by really great teachers--he also has been able to be in classes with like minded kids...he doesn't make friends/connections easily, but that population seems to be a bit more accepting to him than the general population. I think it would depend on the child, but for us, the AP/honors route has worked out well. This is very close to us and our dd Most of her friends are taking Running Start. She didn't want to do Running Start but has been taking A/P or Honors classes since she started high school. Since she is also in DECA and 4-H (president for both her club and the county teen club) and in Know Your Government (4-H) we are fine with what she is doing. We didn't want to put too much pressure on her so we have let her make most of her choices and she's done well.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 7, 2016 21:06:56 GMT
My son did both. Some of his AP classes counted as credits for college. All of his community college classes did. It will just depend on the college she wants to attend. They are all a bit different with requirements and each state can be different too. My son's junior and senior year in high school got him 35 college credits towards his degree in college. I think we paid for eight of those credits (reduced price) and the high school paid for the rest. So my son's "freshman" year cost us about $600. While those credits did transfer, it meant that his elective classes were already taken care of and he has been in math and science classes for two years. He hasn't had an "easy" or less stringent class since he started. My son thought the community college classes were easier than his AP courses in high school. But that was comparing electives to AP math and science. I'd like to emphasize this as well. My DS is a sophomore in college, but actually a junior because of how his AP credits transferred. But he still needs the 4 years because you can't take 4 engineering classes in one semester! He really doesn't need any electives because he has so many required classes for his Engineering major and he has several classes that counted as electives. This can mean a pretty heavy load for a first year student away from home for the first time. DS had it a bit rough last year--he was used to acing his classes with very little outside homework. All in all, it was a good learning experience, even with his GPA taking a bit of a hit. But he has a 4.0 this semester, so I think it was a good life lesson for him. I think the AP route was a good one for him. He's socially immature (Asperger's), but an academic genius. He went in with 28 AP credits--some for required classes, some for electives. The class (AP Government) didn't transfer with an equivalent class, so his class transferred as an elective. And his AP Physics did transfer, but he had to take a calculus based Physics class anyway because even though he did take AP Physics C (or was it BC?), it didn't have as much calculus as he needed for an Engineering major. What is your goal and your DD's goal? To graduate college at 20? To lighten her load? To minimize her expenses? What sort of college is she looking at? A competitive college will definitely expect rigorous course work with the dual enrollment classes may not provide. It's tough to decide all of this at 14. Really, it's a bit nuts. Is there anyway she can do both? Take a few dual enrollment classes, but still take the AP classes that she is good at? In our HS, we found that AP classes were generally fairly accessible because the same 100 kids took all AP classes and couldn't have scheduling conflicts. But we have almost 3,000 students at our HS, so there are at least 2 classes of every AP class except probably AP Mandarin.
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Post by scrappersue on Dec 7, 2016 21:17:21 GMT
My daughter did the Community College route. She got her AA degree and her high school degree at the same time. She transfers into a 4 year university as a Junior. Her friends that did AP have some credits, but some did not test high enough to get credits. My daughter had 3 hard classes a quarter instead of 6 hard (AP/high school) classes. It worked for her. She had time to play on the high school soccer team and hold down a part time job. It saved us a ton of money.
My only warning is that this route works great for a kid who knows what they are going to do in University. Because she transfers in as a junior she had to know what she was doing (nursing). Your time to figure that out was the community college time.
Both options are great to get some classes under your belt.
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 7, 2016 21:48:52 GMT
If she's going to study theatre, portfolio and audition will be more important than anything. I'd try to figure out what will save you/her the most money in terms of accepted credits and go that route.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 7, 2016 23:07:57 GMT
Tangent: I hang out on a forum for college professors, all of whom (no matter what they teach) ENDLESSLY kvetch about the poor writing skills of today's college students, many of whom AP-tested out of the two semesters of college writing that's usually required. Both my kids tested out of the college writing classes but I made them take them, anyway. <insert sinister laugh> My feeling is this: if you want to test out of the college required math or science classes - and those won't be your majors - that's fine. But EVERYBODY needs to know how to write, no matter what your major. And many young adults these days seem to have a higher opinion of their writing than they should.
Change in topic: If your daughter gets into one of the small, intense musical theatre or acting conservatory program (Boston Conservatory, CCM, UArts), they will require far fewer core academic classes during college (than a BA program at a typical university), and their entrance criteria is almost exclusively audition. If she wants one of the conservatory programs "within" a more traditional program (U of Michigan, NYU, Carnegie Mellon), she needs to have the academic cred (GPA and test scores) of any other student applying there PLUS the audition. (She won't need a portfolio unless she wants a Theatre Tech concentration.) In the latter case, she should choose whichever high school program makes her look the best on paper. Without that, it won't matter how good the audition is.
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Post by AnotherPea on Dec 7, 2016 23:12:23 GMT
Is she thinking about UNC or State? If so, doing well in AP classes will give her a better shot at getting in.
AP classes are harder than community college courses, IME. We've done both with our kids, depending upon which is better suited for the child.
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 7, 2016 23:30:54 GMT
Tangent: I hang out on a forum for college professors, all of whom (no matter what they teach) ENDLESSLY kvetch about the poor writing skills of today's college students, many of whom AP-tested out of the two semesters of college writing that's usually required. Both my kids tested out of the college writing classes but I made them take them, anyway. <insert sinister laugh> My feeling is this: if you want to test out of the college required math or science classes - and those won't be your majors - that's fine. But EVERYBODY needs to know how to write, no matter what your major. And many young adults these days seem to have a higher opinion of their writing than they should. Both of my boys were given credit for ENC 1101/1102 at their respective colleges too. My older son shouldn't have missed those classes. He is a smart boy, but his writing skills need some serious work. My younger son, on the other hand, is all good. I've been proofreading his work for years and I am confident that his writing skills are absolutely okay. Interesting correlation: My older son does not read unless there is a proverbial gun to his head, and even then it is an iffy proposition. My younger son is, like me, a voracious reader. (I sometimes think I need to go back and take a remedial writing class-I feel like I don't always articulate my thoughts well. Either that or it is menopause and I just need to ride the forgetful old lady wave. )
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Post by dockmaster on Dec 7, 2016 23:38:52 GMT
My dd is doing Move on When Ready, the dual enrollment program in GA. She will graduate hs and get AA at the same time and transfer to a 4 uear college as a transfer student vice a freshman. Scheduling was a big deciding factor for her. She just couldn't get the classes at the level needed. AP tests are $96 each with no guarantee that you will score high enough for credit or that the college will take it. Her college classes will transfer in GA, there are reciprocal agreements in place. Her AA will be in General Studies, basically all core classes. Best of all, it is FREE, even the books. No brainer for our family.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 7, 2016 23:46:42 GMT
(I sometimes think I need to go back and take a remedial writing class-I feel like I don't always articulate my thoughts well. Either that or it is menopause and I just need to ride the forgetful old lady wave. ) Nah, I always know what you're talking writing about. But I'm sure we could all benefit from some writing instruction/critique for refinement - at any age. I absolutely know that I could be much pithier.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 7, 2016 23:59:37 GMT
(I sometimes think I need to go back and take a remedial writing class-I feel like I don't always articulate my thoughts well. Either that or it is menopause and I just need to ride the forgetful old lady wave. ) Nah, I always know what you're talking writing about. But I'm sure we could all benefit from some writing instruction/critique for refinement - at any age. I absolutely know that I could be much pithier. My son's technical writing course was painful for him. No one in the class got an A and he worked his butt off. He got a B+ (his first) and I was kind of glad he saw that a B+ was not the end of the world. He is a decent writer and spent more time on this class than his engineering classes.
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