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Post by refugeepea on Dec 22, 2016 14:57:33 GMT
inauguration kutv.com/news/local/mormon-tabernacle-choir-to-perform-at-presidential-inaugurationRan out of space for the title. I'm deeply disappointed. They've done this for 5 other inaugurations, for *me* this time it is different. Trump is everything that Christianity/any religion is not. Trump did not win by a landslide in Utah. A third party candidate had over 20% of the votes. I don't care if this was the world famous Catholic/Jewish/Muslim choir performing. It would bother me just as much.  Please note this is my *opinion* not fact. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 22, 2016 14:59:12 GMT
My opinion is that they are doing what they think is right, and I'm not going to judge them harshly for that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 15:34:47 GMT
If they have done the last 5 inaugurations, I think it would set a dangerous precedent if someone had to decide for each and every inauguration. Always or never...pick one.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2016 15:48:19 GMT
If they have done the last 5 inaugurations, I think it would set a dangerous precedent if someone had to decide for each and every inauguration. Always or never...pick one. I agree with this. If they always do, they should continue. They're not making any statement either way by continuing to do what has been done for presidents on both sides of the aisle. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 22, 2016 15:51:21 GMT
If they have done the last 5 inaugurations, I think it would set a dangerous precedent if someone had to decide for each and every inauguration. Always or never...pick one. They've done 5 inaugurations total, not the last 5 inaugurations. From the article: "This is not the first time the choir has performed at presidential inaugural activities. The choir sang “This Is My Country” at President Lyndon B. Johnson’s official swearing-in ceremony in 1965, according to the choir’s website. In 1969, the choir performed the same song as well as “The Star-Spangled Banner” at President Richard Nixon’s inauguration. Choir members sang “Battle Hymn of the Republic” in 1981 during the inaugural parade for President Ronald Reagan. It was during this event that Reagan called the choir “America’s choir.” In 1989, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir provided prelude music for President George H.W. Bush’s swearing-in. They also performed in the inaugural parade that same day, according to the choir’s website. The last time the choir performed during an inaugural activity was in 2001 during President George W. Bush’s inaugural parade. During that parade, the choir sang three songs." |
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2016 15:56:44 GMT
If they have done the last 5 inaugurations, I think it would set a dangerous precedent if someone had to decide for each and every inauguration. Always or never...pick one. They've done 5 inaugurations total, not the last 5 inaugurations. From the article: "This is not the first time the choir has performed at presidential inaugural activities. The choir sang “This Is My Country” at President Lyndon B. Johnson’s official swearing-in ceremony in 1965, according to the choir’s website. In 1969, the choir performed the same song as well as “The Star-Spangled Banner” at President Richard Nixon’s inauguration. Choir members sang “Battle Hymn of the Republic” in 1981 during the inaugural parade for President Ronald Reagan. It was during this event that Reagan called the choir “America’s choir.” In 1989, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir provided prelude music for President George H.W. Bush’s swearing-in. They also performed in the inaugural parade that same day, according to the choir’s website. The last time the choir performed during an inaugural activity was in 2001 during President George W. Bush’s inaugural parade. During that parade, the choir sang three songs." Ooooh, well, that puts a slightly different tone on things, doesn't it. Thanks for providing the facts.  I'm going to guess, however, that the choir was invited to perform primarily by Republican presidents and not by Democratic ones since LBJ, and that it's not just a matter of them volunteering for some and not for others? |
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Post by Restless Spirit on Dec 22, 2016 15:59:41 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 16:07:22 GMT
I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice.
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Post by pyccku on Dec 22, 2016 16:28:54 GMT
I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice. I find it a very interesting choice as the LDS church has been pushing the anti-porn movement (Fight the new drug) over the past year or so and now they have no problem with a pussy-grabbing thrice-married man whose current wife is a woman who has done soft porn photography in the past. I'm not one to slut-shame her for it, but the LDS church has never been one to be cool with posing nekkid for strangers to enjoy. If I were LDS, I'd be a bit angry about it. I'm not, so it's up to their members to raise a stink if they don't like it. |
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 22, 2016 16:36:35 GMT
I have mixed feelings but just wanted to say I am planning on trying out for the choir in Aug!
Can't wait!
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 22, 2016 16:44:02 GMT
I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice. I find it a very interesting choice as the LDS church has been pushing the anti-porn movement (Fight the new drug) over the past year or so and now they have no problem with a pussy-grabbing thrice-married man whose current wife is a woman who has done soft porn photography in the past. I'm not one to slut-shame her for it, but the LDS church has never been one to be cool with posing nekkid for strangers to enjoy. If I were LDS, I'd be a bit angry about it. I'm not, so it's up to their members to raise a stink if they don't like it. I agree. It seems to me to be part of the same hypocrisy that's in all those large "evangelical" churches whose members voted for Trump in the first place. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 22, 2016 16:49:22 GMT
it sounds to me like it's Republican presidential inaugurations, primarily... so not as questionable as it otherwise might be.
--if 'they' (LDS church members) have issues with the President-Elect's behavior, that's something they would have to comment on...
And I always wondered where the idea of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir as an 'American icon' type thing came from- so thank you for posting that it was from a comment by Reagan.
eta: jumperhop: good luck to you on your tryout!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 16:51:12 GMT
If they have done the last 5 inaugurations, I think it would set a dangerous precedent if someone had to decide for each and every inauguration. Always or never...pick one. They've done 5 inaugurations total, not the last 5 inaugurations. From the article: "This is not the first time the choir has performed at presidential inaugural activities. The choir sang “This Is My Country” at President Lyndon B. Johnson’s official swearing-in ceremony in 1965, according to the choir’s website. In 1969, the choir performed the same song as well as “The Star-Spangled Banner” at President Richard Nixon’s inauguration. Choir members sang “Battle Hymn of the Republic” in 1981 during the inaugural parade for President Ronald Reagan. It was during this event that Reagan called the choir “America’s choir.” In 1989, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir provided prelude music for President George H.W. Bush’s swearing-in. They also performed in the inaugural parade that same day, according to the choir’s website. The last time the choir performed during an inaugural activity was in 2001 during President George W. Bush’s inaugural parade. During that parade, the choir sang three songs." Ahhh...I missed that. (that's what I get for not pulling up the article AND posting from my phone...lesson learned) Thank you for the clarification. This does change my opinion, somewhat. If they've skipped some, I'd be totally okay with them skipping this one. I still think by being somewhat inconsistent in which they choose to sing for does still make it a bit awkward. I mean what do they do, vote on it? Does one person make the decision for the entire faith? IMO, it would be much easier to do an all or none decision on this because they're never going to make every one in the faith happy with the decision to sing or not sing. But I'm not Mormon, so I'm pretty sure they're not really all that concerned with my opinion. Let us know how the audition goes, Jen. I'm not Mormon but love listening to their voices. |
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Post by MaryMary on Dec 22, 2016 17:09:51 GMT
Honestly, this makes me want to barf. This election is just never going to stop finding ways to break my heart.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2016 17:26:12 GMT
Honestly, this makes me want to barf. This election is just never going to stop finding ways to break my heart. I want to clarify that my 'liking' your post is not to signify that I like that you feel that way, but that I hear you and understand. |
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Post by jayfab on Dec 22, 2016 18:21:03 GMT
Honestly, this makes me want to barf. This election is just never going to stop finding ways to break my heart. I want to clarify that my 'liking' your post is not to signify that I like that you feel that way, but that I hear you and understand. Ditto! SaveSave |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 18:40:55 GMT
I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice. I find it a very interesting choice as the LDS church has been pushing the anti-porn movement (Fight the new drug) over the past year or so and now they have no problem with a pussy-grabbing thrice-married man whose current wife is a woman who has done soft porn photography in the past. I'm not one to slut-shame her for it, but the LDS church has never been one to be cool with posing nekkid for strangers to enjoy. If I were LDS, I'd be a bit angry about it. I'm not, so it's up to their members to raise a stink if they don't like it. Right on! That's what I meant about they made a choice. A conscientious choice to participate KNOWING what he's done, stands for, represents... |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 22, 2016 20:05:35 GMT
Not surprising at all, actually. I don't know why this quote keeps showing up so weird! Anyway, yes it is very surprising. My news feed was filled with LDS members supporting Evan McMullin during the election. So many said they were disgusted by Trump and his values. Mitt Romney (a Mormon) called him a con man and a fraud. Yet, when elected he met with Trump. He hasn't been appointed to anything, but time will tell. I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice. Was this in response to something I said?  Or another pea? I don't think it's dangerous and yes it is a choice, one that makes me disappointed. |
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Post by cycworker on Dec 22, 2016 20:10:52 GMT
I've lost all respect for them. Disgusting.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 22, 2016 20:20:59 GMT
Not surprising at all, actually. I don't know why this quote keeps showing up so weird! Anyway, yes it is very surprising. My news feed was filled with LDS members supporting Evan McMullin during the election. So many said they were disgusted by Trump and his values. Mitt Romney (a Mormon) called him a con man and a fraud. Yet, when elected he met with Trump. He hasn't been appointed to anything, but time will tell. I don't think dangerous so much as a choice, but they ARE making a choice. Was this in response to something I said? Or another pea? I don't think it's dangerous and yes it is a choice, one that makes me disappointed. Another poster? Lol |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 22, 2016 21:59:57 GMT
I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad not everyone is protesting him. Some people did vote for him and he is the next president. I'm not going to begrudge everyone that doesn't take a stand against him or voted for him.
We just had dinner with my ds and dil. He is a libertarian and I'm not sure what party she is affiliated with. But it was interesting to hear that because she is Mexican people have continually asked her how and why she voted for Trump. I've heard the same thing from other minorities and LGBT people that voted for him.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 22, 2016 22:07:21 GMT
I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad not everyone is protesting him. I find it a very interesting choice as the LDS church has been pushing the anti-porn movement (Fight the new drug) over the past year or so and now they have no problem with a pussy-grabbing thrice-married man whose current wife is a woman who has done soft porn photography in the past. I'm not one to slut-shame her for it, but the LDS church has never been one to be cool with posing nekkid for strangers to enjoy. This is why it bothers me. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 22, 2016 23:12:25 GMT
I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad not everyone is protesting him. I find it a very interesting choice as the LDS church has been pushing the anti-porn movement (Fight the new drug) over the past year or so and now they have no problem with a pussy-grabbing thrice-married man whose current wife is a woman who has done soft porn photography in the past. I'm not one to slut-shame her for it, but the LDS church has never been one to be cool with posing nekkid for strangers to enjoy. This is why it bothers me. Thank makes sense  |
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Post by ahiller on Dec 22, 2016 23:27:49 GMT
I have mixed feelings but just wanted to say I am planning on trying out for the choir in Aug! Can't wait! Jen Wow! You must have some serious talent. Good luck! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 22, 2016 23:54:00 GMT
Better them than Ted Nugent, I guess.
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Post by circusjohnson on Dec 23, 2016 2:08:22 GMT
I have a friend that is in the choir. The Choir performs when asked. They didn't seek it out or volunteer. Personally I am one of those Utah Republicans that didn't vote for Trump. I really despise him. That said this is a national event that will happen wether you like it or not. He is going to be the President. There will be an innaugeration.
My friend posted the following on her facebook page about it.
For those that have heard the news today, please know that I agree with fellow choir member Bret Wheadon. "Fascinating, the response I've been seeing from online pundits, trolls, choir members, old classmates, and from family members concerning the Mormon Tabernacle Choir being invited, and accepting, the opportunity to sing at President-elect Donald Trump's inaugural celebration. The rabid, frothing invective that has already begun to be hurled at the choir and the church is predictable if a little saddening. That's fine. Let me tell you my thoughts on the matter, just to let everyone know where I stand.
I am called to serve in this choir. I am not called to serve myself, my own interests, or any other individual's interest. I am called to serve my God - indeed, called *by* God - called to sing; to bless, inspire, uplift, and testify of the reality of God and His Son, Jesus Christ, in every situation, condition, and opportunity given me. It does not matter who I voted for, which "party" I belong to, or which political ideology I subscribe to - I am, first and foremost, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - and I have been called to serve in this remarkable, and unique capacity, using all the talents, knowledge, and ability I have been blessed with by my Heavenly Father.
If - and this is not certain - I am personally chosen to participate, I will do so gladly, trusting in God that the Choir's participation is His divine will - and I will do what Jesus himself would do if He were here in person - seek to bless, heal, uplift and inspire a nation that has been badly divided by hate. I believe the only way to answer hate is with greater love. By doing this - I want to be obedient first to God, and to magnifying my calling before Him. I reject any call to protest, sit-out, or otherwise malign or weaken this nation - none of those things are what Jesus would do. He would go and do good - and that is what The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will do."
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Post by azredhead on Dec 23, 2016 2:13:43 GMT
This Mormon has no problem with it.They do perform when asked. They have done others. circusjohnson I very much appreciate that post! |
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Post by stittsygirl on Dec 23, 2016 3:06:56 GMT
Lol, I've seen plenty of believing active Mormons, even in my own family, who are NOT happy about this, as I journeyed through the internets today. So it's not just the "rabid, frothing" haters  . |
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Post by pyccku on Dec 23, 2016 3:39:48 GMT
You are judged by the company you keep, and the LDS church will be seen as supporting Trump. I saw someone on Reddit refer to them as the "pussy grabernacle" choir, so it's not a popular decision.
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Post by annabella on Dec 23, 2016 19:19:49 GMT
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Or another pea? I don't think it's dangerous and yes it is a choice, one that makes me disappointed. 
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