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Post by darkangel090260 on Jan 26, 2017 1:27:15 GMT
Who is willing to adopt
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 26, 2017 1:43:16 GMT
I think that you mean " Willing to adopt."
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Post by MorningPerson on Jan 26, 2017 1:51:03 GMT
First of all, I really don't believe it will become illegal.
If it did happen, I'm too old to adopt.
HOWEVER, in my lifetime I've known many, many people who have adopted or who have seriously considered adopting. In most cases the wait has been quite long, and the cost is often prohibitive.
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Post by Anita on Jan 26, 2017 1:53:12 GMT
I don't think it will become illegal either. I think the main change may be that Planned Parenthood no longer receives funding. That being said, I'm too old to adopt, but if I were 10 years younger, I would be happy to.
Anita
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Post by darkangel090260 on Jan 26, 2017 2:13:35 GMT
Since 1976, the Hyde Amendment has blocked federal Medicaid funding for abortion services (since 1994, there have been three extremely narrow exceptions: when continuing the pregnancy will endanger the woman’s life, or when the pregnancy results from rape or incest).
So going back 40 years there has not been federal funding for abortions. However, now with a gag order in effect they can not even give women information about them.
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Post by Merge on Jan 26, 2017 2:18:13 GMT
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Post by melanell on Jan 26, 2017 2:23:09 GMT
I'm not willing to adopt in either situation because I am perfectly content with the size of my family and don't really think I'd do well with a larger family. So the legality of abortion has nothing to do with it to me.
However, I was just discussing with DH how the slogan "adoption not abortion" works much better on a bumper sticker than in real life for a myriad of reasons.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 26, 2017 2:25:35 GMT
My fear isn't that there would be too many babies who need homes. It's that these women would ultimately keep their babies (because face it, babies are cute) and are ill-prepared for that child for whatever reason. Sure some would be adopted out, some would be cared for in loving homes, but some wouldn't.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 26, 2017 2:26:23 GMT
Abortion is not going to become illegal.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Jan 26, 2017 2:33:40 GMT
Abortion is not going to become illegal. I agree. It may become harder for women in some areas to obtain one, but I don't see it becoming illegal. Most times, I hate living in New York, hate our governor, hate our nanny state policies, but in times like this, I am happy to be a New Yorker. That would never happen here.
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Post by Anita on Jan 26, 2017 2:40:32 GMT
Yep, I've seen that. I just truly don't think that will happen, but I guess time will tell. Anita
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Post by River on Jan 26, 2017 2:45:50 GMT
I have no fear that abortion will become illegal.
But to answer your question, yes.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 2:48:28 GMT
I don't believe abortion will become illegal. Sadly.
But I'm going to be 60 in a few months so no, I am not willing to adopt. However, given the large number of foreign adoptions, I think a bigger pool of infants in this country will result in more adoptions here.
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Post by carhoch on Jan 26, 2017 2:50:56 GMT
I am 53 years old I just got a grandson I have no plan adopting anybody and that's why I only vote for pro-choice people .
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Post by roberta on Jan 26, 2017 2:59:35 GMT
I don't believe abortion will become illegal. Sadly. But I'm going to be 60 in a few months so no, I am not willing to adopt. However, given the large number of foreign adoptions, I think a bigger pool of infants in this country will result in more adoptions here. This. ..I don't believe in abortion. ..i don't believe it will become illegal ..i'm a bit old to adopt - my friends from grade school have grandchildren my kids age ..i would have loved to have adopted, and started the process but it reached the point I was getting too old, it was too expensive, and we had been through so much loss and upset, it was not the right choice for us.
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Post by sabrinae on Jan 26, 2017 3:00:06 GMT
First of all, I really don't believe it will become illegal. If it did happen, I'm too old to adopt. HOWEVER, in my lifetime I've known many, many people who have adopted or who have seriously considered adopting. In most cases the wait has been quite long, and the cost is often prohibitive. Infants are more difficult to adopt and there is often a long wait. However, there are thousands of kids sitting in the foster care system waiting to be adopted. It is much much cheaper to adopt through the foster care system and there are often subsidies available to help care for the children after adoption. Thousands of kids go through the system and are never adopted. There is no shortage of children waiting for permanent families and homes.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 3:00:57 GMT
Congrats on the grandchild. That old adage is so true: "If I'd have known grandchildren were so much fun, I'd have had them first""
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 3:02:50 GMT
First of all, I really don't believe it will become illegal. If it did happen, I'm too old to adopt. HOWEVER, in my lifetime I've known many, many people who have adopted or who have seriously considered adopting. In most cases the wait has been quite long, and the cost is often prohibitive. Infants are more difficult to adopt and there is often a long wait. However, there are thousands of kids sitting in the foster care system waiting to be adopted. It is much much cheaper to adopt through the foster care system and there are often subsidies available to help care for the children after adoption. Thousands of kids go through the system and are never adopted. There is no shortage of children waiting for permanent families and homes. The reality is that many of the people (I'd venture to guess the vast majority) want infants; hence the large number of international adoptions.
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Post by sabrinae on Jan 26, 2017 3:09:26 GMT
Infants are more difficult to adopt and there is often a long wait. However, there are thousands of kids sitting in the foster care system waiting to be adopted. It is much much cheaper to adopt through the foster care system and there are often subsidies available to help care for the children after adoption. Thousands of kids go through the system and are never adopted. There is no shortage of children waiting for permanent families and homes. The reality is that many of the people (I'd venture to guess the vast majority) want infants; hence the large number of international adoptions. The vast majority do want infants for a variety of reasons. That doesn't change the reality that the US already has thousands of children without permanent homes and families. there are not families lining up to adopt these children.
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Post by AmandaA on Jan 26, 2017 3:19:24 GMT
I thought this blog post written by a pro-life adoptive mother during the campaign was interesting.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 3:30:13 GMT
The reality is that many of the people (I'd venture to guess the vast majority) want infants; hence the large number of international adoptions. The vast majority do want infants for a variety of reasons. That doesn't change the reality that the US already has thousands of children without permanent homes and families. there are not families lining up to adopt these children. I don't dispute that. However, even thought people are aborting infants, isn't making those looking to adopt choose these other children. Murdering one group of babies is not benefiting those in foster care.
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Post by kibble on Jan 26, 2017 3:37:40 GMT
The vast majority do want infants for a variety of reasons. That doesn't change the reality that the US already has thousands of children without permanent homes and families. there are not families lining up to adopt these children. I don't dispute that. However, even thought people are aborting infants, isn't making those looking to adopt choose these other children. Murdering one group of babies is not benefiting those in foster care. Maybe not, but wouldn't it stand to reason there would be more kids in foster care then? I don't think people would magically start adopting more if abortion were illegal, nor would so many anti-social service conservatives want to foot the bill for taking care of them in foster care.
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Post by tincin on Jan 26, 2017 3:55:16 GMT
It's hilarious how many of you think it will not be outlawed. I am old enough to remember the fight to legalize abortion, and old enough to remember women getting illegal abortions. Ultimately, the goal is to outlaw all abortions. They will start with more restrictions and keep narrowing it until the right is gone altogether. The really ironic thing is, by defunding Planned Parenthood, they will cause more women to become pregnant. Then they don't want to help the woman after she has the child. They should call it what it is, the pro-birth movement since one that little bugger is outside of the woman nobody wants to help raise it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 3:57:50 GMT
I don't dispute that. However, even thought people are aborting infants, isn't making those looking to adopt choose these other children. Murdering one group of babies is not benefiting those in foster care. Maybe not, but wouldn't it stand to reason there would be more kids in foster care then? I don't think people would magically start adopting more if abortion were illegal, nor would so many anti-social service conservatives want to foot the bill for taking care of them in foster care. I personally, as a conservative, have no problem providing for a baby in foster care with a goal of having that child adopted by a loving, stable family.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 26, 2017 4:02:49 GMT
I don't dispute that. However, even thought people are aborting infants, isn't making those looking to adopt choose these other children. Murdering one group of babies is not benefiting those in foster care. Maybe not, but wouldn't it stand to reason there would be more kids in foster care then? I don't think people would magically start adopting more if abortion were illegal, nor would so many anti-social service conservatives want to foot the bill for taking care of them in foster care. It could lead to more children being in foster care in a round-about way. If abortion was not an option, I think more women would keep their babies than put them up for adoption. I think one of the reasons that women have abortions is so that nobody has to know they were pregnant. If they have to carry the baby to term anyway, everyone knows and they could also be getting pressure/guilt from family and friends to keep the baby. If the person is not able or willing to care for the baby throughout his/her childhood, the child could get placed in foster care. IMO, there is a big difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life. Most people seem to be staunchly anti-abortion but after the baby is born, the thoughts of "personal responsibility" and "you made your bed, lie in it" apply. My thoughts are that if you want to reduce the frequency of abortion, look at the reasons why people have them in the first place, and look at ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies. It's easy to make PP the enemy rather than do the work to actually make progress in reaching your goal. In the meantime, defunding PP would hurt women and could actually lead to more unplanned pregnancies.
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Post by melanell on Jan 26, 2017 4:03:20 GMT
My fear isn't that there would be too many babies who need homes. It's that these women would ultimately keep their babies (because face it, babies are cute) and are ill-prepared for that child for whatever reason. Sure some would be adopted out, some would be cared for in loving homes, but some wouldn't. There's already far too many babies who need homes. It's not the healthy little cute babies who I worry about. It's the babies don't fit that description for one reason or another. Save
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 4:07:44 GMT
I just can't wrap my head around the idea that personal responsibility is such an anethema (sp)that murdering your baby is preferable.
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Post by melanell on Jan 26, 2017 4:09:16 GMT
Infants are more difficult to adopt and there is often a long wait. However, there are thousands of kids sitting in the foster care system waiting to be adopted. It is much much cheaper to adopt through the foster care system and there are often subsidies available to help care for the children after adoption. Thousands of kids go through the system and are never adopted. There is no shortage of children waiting for permanent families and homes. The reality is that many of the people (I'd venture to guess the vast majority) want infants; hence the large number of international adoptions. Exactly. And they typically want healthy infants. Of course there are amazing people out there who adopt the babies with disabilities or profound medical problems. Even those who adopt babies they know are going to die very young. But my fear is that the pool of infants needing homes will grow with a skewed ratio of healthy babies to babies with special needs. My fear is that there will be far more babies who need special medical care than there are now, and that will leave even more medically fragile babies without loving homes. And as those babies get older, their chances of adoption grow slimmer. Save
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Post by melanell on Jan 26, 2017 4:15:51 GMT
Maybe not, but wouldn't it stand to reason there would be more kids in foster care then? I don't think people would magically start adopting more if abortion were illegal, nor would so many anti-social service conservatives want to foot the bill for taking care of them in foster care. It could lead to more children being in foster care in a round-about way. If abortion was not an option, I think more women would keep their babies than put them up for adoption. I think one of the reasons that women have abortions is so that nobody has to know they were pregnant. If they have to carry the baby to term anyway, everyone knows and they could also be getting pressure/guilt from family and friends to keep the baby. If the person is not able or willing to care for the baby throughout his/her childhood, the child could get placed in foster care. IMO, there is a big difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life. Most people seem to be staunchly anti-abortion but after the baby is born, the thoughts of "personal responsibility" and "you made your bed, lie in it" apply. My thoughts are that if you want to reduce the frequency of abortion, look at the reasons why people have them in the first place, and look at ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies. It's easy to make PP the enemy rather than do the work to actually make progress in reaching your goal. In the meantime, defunding PP would hurt women and could actually lead to more unplanned pregnancies. I agree with all of this. I agree that we will see more children removed from homes because people who knew they weren't ready or able to have a baby will do so anyway. And like someone said elsewhere, when you wait 9 months and you're handed a sweet infant, you may think that you'll go ahead and try this. And in many cases that may work out beautifully. BUT, just as you said, we need to look to see who is having abortions and why. Those in poverty, those in abusive relationships, those with mental health or substance abuse issues---in those cases it may not always work out as well. In some of them, sure. The baby could be the catalyst for them to make changes. But the baby could become the next horrible news story you hear about a child abandoned, abused, neglected, or killed. If we, as a nation, are going to make abortions illegal, then we better change the way we support mothers and their babies before we start telling mothers that they have no choice but to give birth; or else we're going to compound an already heartbreaking problem. Save
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 26, 2017 4:22:46 GMT
In the end, I think we're talking speculation; abortion is not going to become illegal.
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