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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:05:51 GMT
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Post by missmiss on Jan 30, 2017 18:09:56 GMT
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:13:08 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 30, 2017 18:20:06 GMT
So we can add @~Lauren~ into the group who don't support those who aid our military and are ok leaving them to those in their former country who would punish them for supporting the US military.
The guy and his family will probably have it pretty rough, possibly even die, but hey - as long as everyone shut's up and realizes Trump is no big deal you are ok with that..... got it.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:23:18 GMT
shrug, I'm not going to play the game with you. Add me to any group you like.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 30, 2017 18:26:20 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling. Actions have consequences- when you write an executive order that is vague enough to cause confusion and your own HHS secretary states that it DOES apply to green card holders - it's not hysteria. It took almost 48 hours for the "exception" which wasn't an exception but merely a clarification about green card holders to be made. When you STILL have not clarified the order as it relates to individuals who CURRENTLY hold a valid visa - work or student - and companies are forced to prevent their workers from traveling for fear they can't come back into the country and students trying to return for the start of the spring semester are unable to board planes - it's not hysteria. It's incompetence. Priebus' comment yesterday about it only effecting 100 people over the weekend shows just how out of touch with reality this administration is. It wasn't just the people who found themselves in the air over the Atlantic when the order was signed and were actually detained. He's conveniently forgetting all the people unable to board an airplane with a valid visa. My alumni group is actively trying to help a student who was enroute back to the US after winter break and was barred from boarding their flight to the US in Dubai. I'm happy to call out hysteria when I see it - the backlash for this executive order is a whole different situation. |
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 30, 2017 18:29:50 GMT
I think when we post links to news articles and opinion pieces we should also list the political slant of said publication. For example, according to 3 different LibGuides on bias/ leaning in publications Lauren's sight is listed as conservative and missmiss's article comes from a centrally rated magazine. I'm not saying one is right and the other is wrong but being aware of the conservative/liberal slant of a publication offers some insight into the author's purpose for writing the article and the publication's purpose for printing it. (The librarian in me couldn't help but put this out there. I can add reference docs if anyone is interested.)
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:32:10 GMT
What is a LibGuide?
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 30, 2017 18:33:22 GMT
I'm pretty appalled that Trump's travel ban includes legal Green Card holders and valid VISA holders. These people have already been through the process and they should be allowed.
This is messing with people's lives in a very inappropriate way.
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Post by bethany102399 on Jan 30, 2017 18:37:55 GMT
Thank you Judy26. It can be difficult (sometimes) to determine the political leanings of many of the sources I'm seeing posted on social media. |
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 30, 2017 18:39:15 GMT
A Library guide to help the reader understand the various components of all types of media. Usually these are published by scholarly institutions and are edited scrupulously to maintain the highest levels of integrity. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 30, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
I'm pretty appalled that Trump's travel ban includes legal Green Card holders and valid VISA holders. These people have already been through the process and they should be allowed. This is messing with people's lives in a very inappropriate way. Inappropriate, and illegal, and unconstitutional.. oh and immoral. I believe his puppet master intended to create chaos around the world. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 30, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling. You apparently don't look at the world view either. It isn't a bunch of peas in hysterics--the WORLD is reacting negatively to his bullshit. And it IS bullshit. So stop trying to blame this on the haters and hysterics because it's not only insulting (per your usual MO) but it is just FALSE. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 30, 2017 18:53:07 GMT
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Post by pyccku on Jan 30, 2017 18:59:07 GMT
Visit www.allsides.com/ for a nice variety of sources. They are organized and rated as to whether they are far left/right leaning, moderately left/right leaning, and center. You can usually get a pretty good idea of things from reading a few different sources. The green card thing is all sorts of messed up. These are people who live here - they have houses, pets, jobs, families. My husband served proudly in the US Army. He had a green card - but did not yet have his citizenship (he got that shortly after he got done with active duty). If he had joined the military and served overseas but had wanted to come home during that time, he would have been traveling with a green card. I can't imagine that his situation is that unusual. So the crazy thing is this - you could have a person serving in the US military sent overseas - maybe even to Iraq! - and then when they try to return, they can't come back. That's ridiculous and simply unacceptable. We are giving them weapons and they are willing to fight for our country, but we aren't going to let them back to the place where they have a home and family? |
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Post by chico on Jan 30, 2017 19:21:39 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling. You apparently don't look at the world view either. It isn't a bunch of peas in hysterics--the WORLD is reacting negatively to his bullshit. And it IS bullshit. So stop trying to blame this on the haters and hysterics because it's not only insulting (per your usual MO) but it is just FALSE. From where I'm sitting, there's plenty of 'bullshit' going around on BOTH sides! |
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Post by cade387 on Jan 30, 2017 20:17:37 GMT
shrug, I'm not going to play the game with you. Add me to any group you like. This isn't a game. Again, that you think as much, shows your privilege as well as your disdain for human life and decency. All you care about is saying that you won, as you said on another thread. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 30, 2017 20:25:41 GMT
You apparently don't look at the world view either. It isn't a bunch of peas in hysterics--the WORLD is reacting negatively to his bullshit. And it IS bullshit. So stop trying to blame this on the haters and hysterics because it's not only insulting (per your usual MO) but it is just FALSE. From where I'm sitting, there's plenty of 'bullshit' going around on BOTH sides! Your response to my post does not negate the fact that Lauren's is FALSE. |
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Post by missmiss on Jan 30, 2017 20:45:00 GMT
You apparently don't look at the world view either. It isn't a bunch of peas in hysterics--the WORLD is reacting negatively to his bullshit. And it IS bullshit. So stop trying to blame this on the haters and hysterics because it's not only insulting (per your usual MO) but it is just FALSE. From where I'm sitting, there's plenty of 'bullshit' going around on BOTH sides! WHat "Bullshit" is going around on both sides for this? Both sides I am assuming are the Dem and Rep. What Bullshit is on the Dem side so what bullshit is on the Rep side? |
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Post by frenchie on Jan 30, 2017 20:45:24 GMT
So we can add @~Lauren~ into the group who don't support those who aid our military and are ok leaving them to those in their former country who would punish them for supporting the US military. The guy and his family will probably have it pretty rough, possibly even die, but hey - as long as everyone shut's up and realizes Trump is no big deal you are ok with that..... got it. I saw him with his family on the news and I'm just sick for them. So worried what will happen to them. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 21:31:18 GMT
shrug, I'm not going to play the game with you. Add me to any group you like. This isn't a game. Again, that you think as much, shows your privilege as well as your disdain for human life and decency. All you care about is saying that you won, as you said on another thread. Yes, and all you're concerned with is criticizing every single thing the man has said or done since you lost. |
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Post by rickmer on Jan 30, 2017 22:58:47 GMT
A Library guide to help the reader understand the various components of all types of media. Usually these are published by scholarly institutions and are edited scrupulously to maintain the highest levels of integrity. huh. wonder if there will soon be FB posts with a photo of a "LibGuide" and underneath it says "who is old enough to remember these?".... before the post is hastily and inexplicably taken down by "the powers that be". |
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Post by peano on Jan 30, 2017 23:02:41 GMT
I think when we post links to news articles and opinion pieces we should also list the political slant of said publication. For example, according to 3 different LibGuides on bias/ leaning in publications Lauren's sight is listed as conservative and missmiss's article comes from a centrally rated magazine. I'm not saying one is right and the other is wrong but being aware of the conservative/liberal slant of a publication offers some insight into the author's purpose for writing the article and the publication's purpose for printing it. (The librarian in me couldn't help but put this out there. I can add reference docs if anyone is interested.) I'm interested.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 1:06:26 GMT
This isn't a game. Again, that you think as much, shows your privilege as well as your disdain for human life and decency. All you care about is saying that you won, as you said on another thread. Yes, and all you're concerned with is criticizing every single thing the man has said or done since you lost. Sure sounds exactly like what you did for the last 8 years, plus this month STILL criticizing the most popular president in modern time! |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 31, 2017 17:35:08 GMT
Here's my fact:
There are some really unnecessary, childish and hateful comments in our country right now that are out of control - on both sides.
Here's my opinion:
That hatred and refusal to even consider having a respectful and reasonable relationship with each other is hurting our country way more than Trump's shenanigans.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jan 31, 2017 18:12:25 GMT
I think comparing Obama's 2011 stop/ban/stay on visa for Iraqi's is a very different scenario than what happened over the weekend. First of all there was no hoopla over Obama's because, first it was done thoughtfully and with the full knowledge of all agencies and positions involved, secondly it was done for a very specific reason that was a verifiable clear and present danger. DJT's was done without the consultation or knowledge of those agencies and positions who it directly affected, it was done for no other reason than because he wanted to show he's "tough" on terrorism and was sticking to his campaign promises. I actually would not have been nearly as angered had he done as Obama did and issued a ban/stay/stop on new visa's, I would not love it and I think there would still be the question of 'are we banning people simply because of their birthplace or religion?' but I could have lived with it. What he did showed either ignorance in how our system needs to work or a more sinister motive of making his "ban on Muslims" become reality.
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Post by rmorgan22 on Jan 31, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling. The protestors are upset because he said he wanted to ban a religion (Muslims) during the election, then when elected, he bans those countries who are primarily Muslim. With this fact and the fact that he said Christians from those countries would have priority to get in, just shows that it is religion based ban and not just a hostile county ban. That's what is so disturbing to people. Its a violation of our constitution and that will always get people up in arms. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 31, 2017 20:05:17 GMT
Different viewpoint. That's fine. However, I don't see Trumps 120 day ban in order to vet people to be the Sky is Falling incident people here are claiming. In fact, the exception contained in it for permanent green card holders should quell people's fears. I say "should" because the Trump haters and hysterics will grab on anything to continue their caterwauling. The protestors are upset because he said he wanted to ban a religion (Muslims) during the election, then when elected, he bans those countries who are primarily Muslim. With this fact and the fact that he said Christians from those countries would have priority to get in, just shows that it is religion based ban and not just a hostile county ban. That's what is so disturbing to people. Its a violation of our constitution and that will always get people up in arms. That plus the fact that Giuliani said on national television that Trump asked him to "figure out a way to ban Muslims legally". |
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