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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:14:36 GMT
Or so you'd think looking at posts here and on FB.
Fortunately, real life where I live is quite the opposite. At least in some areas of the US (and I'm willing to bet it's most areas), sanity prevails.
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Post by ginacivey on Jan 30, 2017 18:17:18 GMT
it's sane here.
and i'm on the lookout
gina
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 30, 2017 18:18:50 GMT
It isn't just democrats in the US that have a problem with what is happening. People around the world are seeing Trump and his government for what they are. Just because you either don't want to see it or want to be a part of it does not negate the fact that many--I would dare say the majority--do not like the turn that the country is taking.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:25:07 GMT
It isn't just democrats in the US that have a problem with what is happening. People around the world are seeing Trump and his government for what they are. Just because you either don't want to see it or want to be a part of it does not negate the fact that many--I would dare say the majority--do not like the turn that the country is taking. IMO, the rest of the world got used to a wimpy US under Obama. And as I said, it's seems to be the typical people and localities that are squawking and frankly, it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:25:35 GMT
Really? You are in NYC and wasn't JFK one of the airports where sanity did not prevail? Finally allowing entry by a man who sacrificed to help our military, after detaining him for 19 hours, is not what I would call sanity prevailing. Unless you are looking at it from the stand point of all is well that ends well, being sanity prevailing. But is there a time limit to that sanity prevailing? What if it had taken a week...a month...a year? Nope, not in NYC. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 18:30:16 GMT
That's actually a virtue.  |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 30, 2017 18:39:04 GMT
What is the point of this thread?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 30, 2017 18:45:24 GMT
Well here you are with a 2nd post all about hysterics and caterwauling and sanity. Smh
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Post by Merge on Jan 30, 2017 18:48:35 GMT
When there's a big problem that you don't happen to have - that's privilege.
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Post by mallie on Jan 30, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
Yes, putting a Nazi on the NSC is totally sane. Sure.  |
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Post by mimi3566 on Jan 30, 2017 19:31:28 GMT
It isn't just democrats in the US that have a problem with what is happening. People around the world are seeing Trump and his government for what they are. Just because you either don't want to see it or want to be a part of it does not negate the fact that many--I would dare say the majority--do not like the turn that the country is taking. 
A lot of the Trump supporters would rather die than to admit they were quite possibly wrong about the guy. 
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Post by blueswede on Jan 30, 2017 19:40:55 GMT
The government is breaking the law, and checks and balances are eroding. Nope, nothing to worry about here.  |
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Post by chico on Jan 30, 2017 19:43:21 GMT
One would think the sky was falling seeing all the hysteria on the news!
It's important to keep a watchful eye, and its TRUELY a privilege to live in countries that we CAN protest
without fear for our lives.
I may not agree with the methods of president Trump,
however it is encouraging to see some effort in a better screening process.
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Post by Laurie on Jan 30, 2017 19:44:50 GMT
Sadly I am to the point that I am not even bothering to read the news anymore. I can't take the over-dramatics anymore. Everything I read (and even felt somewhat)after Obama was elected was that sky is falling as well. Eight years later and I'm still here, I still have a house, etc. Sure there are things that I feel are a lot crappier than before but we will figure it out. I feel same will be said in another 4 or 8 years. At this point I believe the media is making the situations even worse than any politician is doing. The protests are losing their validity because their point is being lost on me. So many protests that they are becoming equivalent to temper tantrums. I used to be a news junkie and found politics interesting. Maybe someday I can read "real" news but for now I will just read the latest celeb gossip or viral sensations. So with that...cash me outside how bow dah.  |
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Post by gar on Jan 30, 2017 19:48:18 GMT
So far so good is about all you can say at the moment I think. It's very early days.
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Post by Shel on Jan 30, 2017 19:50:59 GMT
I'm not a fan of Trump but I just shake my head at all the hysteria. And I try to read and understand the actual words because the crap flying around is ludicrous. (On both sides!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 19:51:58 GMT
Hmmm...I wonder how many of those who voted for Trump are now regretting their decision? According to my facebook feed, quite a few. Every day I see posts from people who were all 'rah rah trump' now posting against his latest actions. Included several members of Congress. NY Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has come out against Trump's immigration ban. I've a feeling that in the coming weeks we will see more. I just hope that other countries realize that not everyone in the US agrees with Trump.
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Post by micheley on Jan 30, 2017 19:52:37 GMT
Well someone on Fox says it's hysteria so it must be so!
Opinion: Forget the hysterical mainstream media -- America likes Trump's agenda, including his immigration pivot
I like how 48% = most of the country but 42% = hysteria that should be ignored.
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Post by Nink on Jan 30, 2017 20:18:04 GMT
People are being discriminated against based solely on their religious beliefs. The bigger question is why isn't everyone hysterical about it. Because you should be.
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Post by terri on Jan 30, 2017 20:44:15 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on this Lauren. I look at people who aren't alarmed and don't get it. I believe what Trump is doing is unconstitutional and unethical.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."
---Thomas Jefferson
I plan on resisting.
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Post by tracylynn on Jan 30, 2017 20:46:15 GMT
Or so you'd think looking at posts here and on FB. Fortunately, real life where I live is quite the opposite. At least in some areas of the US (and I'm willing to bet it's most areas), sanity prevails. Seriously Lauren? You would minimize the effects of this EO on families and valid green card holders? Very sad. |
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Post by lisae on Jan 30, 2017 20:50:18 GMT
No, the sky is not falling at my house but it is at someone's house. Just because an issue does not affect me personally does not mean I don't care about it. I may be past the age of being personally affected by Roe v. Wade but that doesn't mean I'm going to be apathetic to the issue. I don't say "oh, well, I can't get pregnant any more so choice doesn't matter." It still matters.
The first 10 days of the Trump presidency do matter to everyone because they are a signal of his priorities and his ability, or as demonstrated, his complete inability to properly administrate. What happens to health insurance will be a big issue at my house. The sky might fall or it might not. What I've seen in the last few days gives me zero confidence Trump will listen to informed advisers, understand the impact of his ideas on individuals, and care about my concerns. He is supposed to be a businessman but can't figure out that creating an import tax of 20% won't raise prices and impede American business and thus negatively affect the American economy. He can't foresee that issuing a travel ban might at the very least need to account for people who are not at home when it was enacted. He can't see past his own ego to even concede that he actually won the election and that it makes him look like a neurotic idiot to continue to talk about it.
The sky might not be falling here in NC but it sure seems to be falling in D.C.
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Post by llinin on Jan 30, 2017 20:52:50 GMT
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 20:55:17 GMT
The government is breaking the law, and checks and balances are eroding. Nope, nothing to worry about here. That's a conclusion; ie, your opinion. It's up to the courts to say if he's breaking the law. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 20:55:55 GMT
Yes, he did. Perhaps others should follow his lead. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:11:37 GMT
It's important to keep a watchful eye, and its TRUELY a privilege to live in countries that we CAN protest without fear for our lives. I'm certain that the 2.2 million children that are living in tents in countries bordering Syria would agree with you and envious of your privilege to be living in a safe country that you are able to protect with the help of your government. While you sleep in your warm bed at night, they are lying there awake, crying thinking of you and wondering what they have done to deserve to be where they are, living in fear for their lives. Sleep well, happy dreams! |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 30, 2017 21:13:13 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on this Lauren. I look at people who aren't alarmed and don't get it. I believe what Trump is doing is unconstitutional and unethical. "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." ---Thomas Jefferson I plan on resisting. As is your right. I think when people complain about everything, they get taken seriously about nothing. (Not you personally, Terri, but the protestors as a whole). BTW, one provision of the EO that people seem to be ignoring is this one: " Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked." So the "blanket" prohibition for 90 days can be reviewed on a case-by-case basis and the prohibition is to allow the gathering of information about the people. Personally, IMO, Obama allowed so many people in so quickly that vetting could not possibly have taken place. It's not like Trump is throwing out people who are already here; he's looking to insure that in the future, we are aware of who is entering this country; that they are actually who and what they claim to be; and that they are not criminals. I have no problem with this. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 30, 2017 21:35:09 GMT
People are being discriminated against based solely on their religious beliefs. The bigger question is why isn't everyone hysterical about it. Because you should be. I don't understand how anyone is not outraged.. but especially anyone who is not Christian. |
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Post by mimi3566 on Jan 30, 2017 21:35:36 GMT
No, the sky is not falling at my house but it is at someone's house. Just because an issue does not affect me personally does not mean I don't care about it. I may be past the age of being personally affected by Roe v. Wade but that doesn't mean I'm going to be apathetic to the issue. I don't say "oh, well, I can't get pregnant any more so choice doesn't matter." It still matters. The first 10 days of the Trump presidency do matter to everyone because they are a signal of his priorities and his ability, or as demonstrated, his complete inability to properly administrate. What happens to health insurance will be a big issue at my house. The sky might fall or it might not. What I've seen in the last few days gives me zero confidence Trump will listen to informed advisers, understand the impact of his ideas on individuals, and care about my concerns. He is supposed to be a businessman but can't figure out that creating an import tax of 20% won't raise prices and impede American business and thus negatively affect the American economy. He can't foresee that issuing a travel ban might at the very least need to account for people who are not at home when it was enacted. He can't see past his own ego to even concede that he actually won the election and that it makes him look like a neurotic idiot to continue to talk about it. The sky might not be falling here in NC but it sure seems to be falling in D.C. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 30, 2017 21:36:34 GMT
The government is breaking the law, and checks and balances are eroding. Nope, nothing to worry about here. That's a conclusion; ie, your opinion. It's up to the courts to say if he's breaking the law. I guess the Judge's who have issued the stay.. have agreed that the ban is unlawful. Which would make it a legal opinion. Not a personal one. |
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