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Post by micheley on Jan 31, 2017 3:32:32 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 31, 2017 3:34:04 GMT
It would be a violation of her oath as Attorney General to approach Trump to discuss the case. She is not the Presidents Attorney but the Attorney for the United States. Again Separation of Powers. And she is (was) the Attorney of record of at the time. This case is already pending in the many Courts, and she had to take a stand. I don't see it as grandstanding. I see it as someone who is upholding the principals of the law. Yates could of delayed until the new AG is sworn in, but there is no guarantee right now how soon that will happen, and I applaud that she wasn't delaying her action, to see how things fall (as a Politician would).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 3:34:57 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. The reality is it could have been handled better all away around. Having said that trump comes off looking like a vengeful bully and Sally Gates as hero. Someone in the White House is not giving trump good advice. Or if they are he ain't listening which does not bode well for the country.
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 31, 2017 3:35:12 GMT
It would be a violation of her oath as Attorney General to approach Trump to discuss the case. She is not the Presidents Attorney but the Attorney for the United States. Again Separation of Powers. And she is (was) the Attorney of record of at the time. This case is already pending in the many Courts, and she had to take a stand. I don't see it as grandstanding. I see it as someone who is upholding the principals of the law. Yates could of delayed until the new AG is sworn in, but there is no guarantee right now how soon that will happen, and I applaud that she wasn't delaying her action, to see how things fall (as a Politician would).
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 31, 2017 3:36:01 GMT
She should have stood up to him privately. You all KNOW that. I am really surprised that some of you whom I respect as level-headed truly think he was wrong in firing her. You know good and well if one of Obama's cabinet members had done the same thing you would have felt he/she should have been fired. And BTW--exactly HOW is this unconstitutional? Who has made that determination? You cannot discriminate against immigrants based on religion or nationality.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 3:47:42 GMT
And for his letter to mention her being weak is just a fucking dick move.
He is insane.
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Post by Clair on Jan 31, 2017 3:49:31 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. The reality is it could have been handled better all away around. Having said that trump comes off looking like a vengeful bully and Sally Gates as hero. Someone in the White House is not giving trump good advice. Or if they are he ain't listening which does not bode well for the country. I agree with you - this could have been handled much better. By firing Yates he is basically saying- agree with me or else. Some of the pundents on CNN were saying he would look much better if he just ignored her for the next few days since we should have a new AG this week. He is terrifying!
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2017 3:53:02 GMT
And this is what we have coming. <shudder>
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Post by ahiller on Jan 31, 2017 3:53:04 GMT
She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here. ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here. The AG is supposed to defend the Constitution, not the President so I'm not sure exactly what balance you want the left to have here. At what point, do you suppose, are those on the right going to come to their senses and realize that this man is behaving like an authoritarian in a third world country and not like the leader of the free world? What exactly WILL it take?
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Post by bebe on Jan 31, 2017 3:57:02 GMT
I think it's pretty standard for newly elected and sometimes hired managers to come in and replace the former employees (appointees) with his choices--it has happened plenty of times before--not big surprises here for me.
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2017 3:58:19 GMT
I think it's pretty standard for newly elected and sometimes hired managers to come in and replace the former employees (appointees) with his choices--it has happened plenty of times before--not big surprises here for me. Nothing about this particular situation is standard.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 4:00:20 GMT
I think it's pretty standard for newly elected and sometimes hired managers to come in and replace the former employees (appointees) with his choices--it has happened plenty of times before--not big surprises here for me. It is normal to do that. But clearly that is NOT what happened here.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 31, 2017 4:00:30 GMT
And this is what we have coming. <shudder> I had to look up "undergird." These are serious times, but that word is making me giggle. I'm picturing the new superhero AG - UNDERgird! - with some sort of intertwined "AG" and "UG" logo on his bodysuit. And legal briefs, of course. Briefs. Heh.
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Jan 31, 2017 4:00:35 GMT
At what point, do you suppose, are those on the right going to come to their senses and realize that this man is behaving like an authoritarian in a third world country and not like the leader of the free world? What exactly WILL it take? No kidding!! This is entirely fear mongering. Were we really at super high risk of terrorist attack and he had to act now? And Spicer today.. "This is about the safety of America, and there is a reason that the majority of Americans agree with the president". Seriously? Is he delusional? Has he not turned on a TV, read a newspaper, surfed the net, hell, looked out a WINDOW, and seen what's going on? The clusterfuck grows every and I don't know how long it will take to implode. Hopefully soon, I don't know how much more the country can take.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 4:02:21 GMT
He is a fear monger.
He did it throughout his campaign, he's doing the last 3 months, and he's shown if you disagree with him you will lose your job.
Heck, he's putting us in line for war, less jobs for him to create, right.
I'm so fucking sick of him and congress inactions.
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Post by rebelyelle on Jan 31, 2017 4:09:39 GMT
The firing isn't the issue for me, at least not the biggest one. OF COURSE he was going to fire her. The bigger issue is the language used in the press release announcing her termination. There's some dangerous, propagandistic, dare I say un-American language in that press release. It's not only unbecoming of the office of the POTUS, but it sets the tone for how he's going to react to ANYONE who disagrees with him. If this is how he handles domestic conflict, we're in for a world of pain the second a foreign leader challenges him in a bold way.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 31, 2017 4:15:03 GMT
The firing isn't the issue for me, at least not the biggest one. OF COURSE he was going to fire her. The bigger issue is the language used in the press release announcing her termination. There's some dangerous, propagandistic, dare I say un-American language in that press release. It's not only unbecoming of the office of the POTUS, but it sets the tone for how he's going to react to ANYONE who disagrees with him. If this is how he handles domestic conflict, we're in for a world of pain the second a foreign leader challenges him in a bold way. Yup. When I read that statement,I honestly flashed back to the way nuns used to write discipline reports when I was in grammar school. (And if you notice the term "grammar school," you'll understand how long ago that was and how authoritarian-hand-of-God those old-school nuns were...)
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Post by pb on Jan 31, 2017 4:15:59 GMT
Constitutional experts on TV have stated Trump had the option of appointing a special attorney to handle the cases.
It leaves the country with no one able to sign the secret warrants in terrorism cases ( the signee must have senate confirmation)
Spicer dissed state department employees that used an established process to register descent in place since the Vietnam War stating they should get in line or leave. This violates state department policy against retaliation of dissent.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 31, 2017 4:19:06 GMT
I think she should have been fired.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 31, 2017 4:25:26 GMT
The firing isn't the issue for me, at least not the biggest one. OF COURSE he was going to fire her. The bigger issue is the language used in the press release announcing her termination. There's some dangerous, propagandistic, dare I say un-American language in that press release. It's not only unbecoming of the office of the POTUS, but it sets the tone for how he's going to react to ANYONE who disagrees with him. If this is how he handles domestic conflict, we're in for a world of pain the second a foreign leader challenges him in a bold way. And, here, rebel, we find common ground. As much as she should shown some common courtesy and diplomacy and not hung her boss out to dry, HE should have shut his mouth and no issued that press release. It is beneath him. Her firing and any discussion from the White House really should have been handled by Mr. Spicer or someone like that. He is the President. It is up to him to act like it. So yes, I do not defend the press release. But there is no question that ANY president would have fired any of his cabinet who acted as she did.
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Post by rebelyelle on Jan 31, 2017 4:33:43 GMT
The firing isn't the issue for me, at least not the biggest one. OF COURSE he was going to fire her. The bigger issue is the language used in the press release announcing her termination. There's some dangerous, propagandistic, dare I say un-American language in that press release. It's not only unbecoming of the office of the POTUS, but it sets the tone for how he's going to react to ANYONE who disagrees with him. If this is how he handles domestic conflict, we're in for a world of pain the second a foreign leader challenges him in a bold way. And, here, rebel, we find common ground. As much as she should shown some common courtesy and diplomacy and not hung her boss out to dry, HE should have shut his mouth and no issued that press release. It is beneath him. Her firing and any discussion from the White House really should have been handled by Mr. Spicer or someone like that. He is the President. It is up to him to act like it. So yes, I do not defend the press release. But there is no question that ANY president would have fired any of his cabinet who acted as she did. For me, it goes beyond political decorum. Using words like "betrayed" and calling her character into question by calling her "weak" and "very weak". It's...well, it's insanity.
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Post by verdepea on Jan 31, 2017 4:45:15 GMT
I hope she decides to work for the ACLU and starts kicking some serious ass against the legislative and executive branchs. They both not been playing nice.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 31, 2017 4:45:39 GMT
Insanity is an AG stating to news agencies that as long as she's the acting AG, they will not be arguing in favor of the President's EO. She was pandering to the anti-Trump sentiments of her former employer's base and Trump did exactly what any boss or President would do.
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Post by peano on Jan 31, 2017 4:46:36 GMT
The firing isn't the issue for me, at least not the biggest one. OF COURSE he was going to fire her. The bigger issue is the language used in the press release announcing her termination. There's some dangerous, propagandistic, dare I say un-American language in that press release. It's not only unbecoming of the office of the POTUS, but it sets the tone for how he's going to react to ANYONE who disagrees with him. If this is how he handles domestic conflict, we're in for a world of pain the second a foreign leader challenges him in a bold way. And, here, rebel, we find common ground. As much as she should shown some common courtesy and diplomacy and not hung her boss out to dry, HE should have shut his mouth and no issued that press release. It is beneath him. Her firing and any discussion from the White House really should have been handled by Mr. Spicer or someone like that. He is the President. It is up to him to act like it. So yes, I do not defend the press release. But there is no question that ANY president would have fired any of his cabinet who acted as she did. HE IS NOT HER BOSS!!! She is not a member of his cabinet. I'm yelling because you do not seem to understand that the judicial branch is not the employee of the President. That department exists as a check and balance to the executive branch. She was entirely within her rights to speak out, and even worse, I'm getting overtones from your posts on this thread that she did not behave in a ladylike manner or some similar bullshit meant to SHAME a woman who has the temerity to speak out against a man. Welcome to the 21st century. Yes, you are a lovely, nice Pea, but you are clueless!
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Post by Nanner on Jan 31, 2017 4:46:44 GMT
Your country is so fucked. I'm so sorry.
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Post by jayfab on Jan 31, 2017 4:49:26 GMT
And this is what we have coming. <shudder> "New political order" what the hell? That sounds ominous.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 31, 2017 4:56:37 GMT
And, here, rebel, we find common ground. As much as she should shown some common courtesy and diplomacy and not hung her boss out to dry, HE should have shut his mouth and no issued that press release. It is beneath him. Her firing and any discussion from the White House really should have been handled by Mr. Spicer or someone like that. He is the President. It is up to him to act like it. So yes, I do not defend the press release. But there is no question that ANY president would have fired any of his cabinet who acted as she did. HE IS NOT HER BOSS!!! She is not a member of his cabinet. I'm yelling because you do not seem to understand that the judicial branch is not the employee of the President. That department exists as a check and balance to the executive branch. She was entirely within her rights to speak out, and even worse, I'm getting overtones from your posts on this thread that she did not behave in a ladylike manner or some similar bullshit meant to SHAME a woman who has the temerity to speak out against a man. Welcome to the 21st century. Yes, you are a lovely, nice Pea, but you are clueless! I think we will have to agree to disagree. The President IS over the AG and has the right to fire him/her at any time. And I don't even know how to respond to your accusation that my attitude has ANYTHING to do with her being a woman. It absolutely does not.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 31, 2017 4:58:48 GMT
Elise, it's simply a tactic to shut you down from stating *your* opinion since it is not in line with the so-called "acceptable" opinion.
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Post by lovetodigi on Jan 31, 2017 5:10:17 GMT
At what point, do you suppose, are those on the right going to come to their senses and realize that this man is behaving like an authoritarian in a third world country and not like the leader of the free world? What exactly WILL it take? No kidding!! This is entirely fear mongering. Were we really at super high risk of terrorist attack and he had to act now? And Spicer today.. "This is about the safety of America, and there is a reason that the majority of Americans agree with the president". Seriously? Is he delusional? Has he not turned on a TV, read a newspaper, surfed the net, hell, looked out a WINDOW, and seen what's going on? The clusterfuck grows every and I don't know how long it will take to implode. Hopefully soon, I don't know how much more the country can take. We ARE under a terrorist attack. A slow, in your face, constant terriost attack and we can do nothing but watch it happen. What does a terrorist want to do? Destroy a country, cause fear and havoc? Trump is destroying our country bit by bit. People are afraid to turn on the news because they don't know what horror is coming next. Congress should be very concerned, he is, with the guidance of Bannon, out to destroy them too. Bannon has bragged that his goal is to destroy everything about our country, and it seems to be happening.
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Post by berty on Jan 31, 2017 5:10:20 GMT
She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here. ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here. The AG is supposed to defend the Constitution, not the President so I'm not sure exactly what balance you want the left to have here. At what point, do you suppose, are those on the right going to come to their senses and realize that this man is behaving like an authoritarian in a third world country and not like the leader of the free world? What exactly WILL it take? If any other president did 1/10 of what he's done, there'd be uproar from everyone. I truly cannot understand how he's getting away with all of it. Of course, I said the same thing time after time with all of the crap he pulled during the election season, too. He gives a new definition to Teflon president. This is just my opinion, but I feel like a large percent of the people who voted for him cannot question anything he does because then they'd feel like they were admitting they were wrong. It's like the teenage girl who knows her boyfriend is a louse, but she won't break up with him because then she'd be admitting that her parents and friends were right. So, instead she stays in a bad relationship. She's hurting herself just to keep her pride intact. That's a dangerous position to hold.
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