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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 31, 2017 2:42:32 GMT
cnn breaking newsYour thoughts? I worry that those who don't follow his word explicitly will be next.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Jan 31, 2017 2:44:53 GMT
I just saw that. I guess he expects everyone to just fall in line with his orders and demands. I bet she knew her job was on the line when she spoke out against him. Good for her!!
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2017 2:46:09 GMT
Firing the acting Attorney General for her legal opinion. That sounds like a really great decision.
Who the fuck cares if something is legal and Constitutional? What Trump wants, Trump gets, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 2:47:57 GMT
It was inevitable, given her opposition to his orders. Of course, now there is no one to fill the role of AG in her absence. Just once, I wish Congress would grow a backbone and NOT confirm Sessions as the new AG.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 31, 2017 2:48:57 GMT
You know guys, honestly I don't understand the upset here. Of COURSE he fired her. He had to. She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here.
ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Jan 31, 2017 2:49:03 GMT
It was inevitable, given her opposition to his orders. Of course, now there is no one to fill the role of AG in her absence. Just once, I wish Congress would grow a backbone and NOT confirm Sessions as the new AG. It is expected Sessions will be confirmed tomorrow. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 2:49:11 GMT
I'm not surprised he did. But apparently it's a bigger deal then I originally thought.
The AG office is suppose to be independent from the President. Sally Yates raised concerns about the EO and without answers felt she could not defend it.
There were other ways he could have handled this without firing her. In other words his actions compromised the independence of the AG office. Agree with me or else....
Fired on a point of principle.
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 31, 2017 2:53:48 GMT
You know guys, honestly I don't understand the upset here. Of COURSE he fired her. He had to. She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here. ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here. If you don't mind, can you elaborate on this some more? I'm not familiar enough with government positions. Thanks! |
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Post by shescrafty on Jan 31, 2017 2:57:29 GMT
You know guys, honestly I don't understand the upset here. Of COURSE he fired her. He had to. She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here. ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here. She found what he ordered was unconstitutional. I would think she should have more allegiance to the Constitution than to Trump. So anybody that that does not hold up an order from Trump will be removed from office until he has scared/strong-armed everyone around him to do what he says, constitution be damned? That is is another reason he is getting Hitler comparisons. |
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2017 2:57:52 GMT
You know guys, honestly I don't understand the upset here. Of COURSE he fired her. He had to. She publicly defied an order of the Constitutionally elected President of the United States--her BOSS. I think a lot of us on the right would be more impressed with some of the left's arguments if there were a little more balance here. ANY president worth his salt would have done exactly what Trump did here. Ummm... she actually gave her legal opinion that the order was illegal and potentially unconstitutional. She is far from alone in that legal opinion. If Trump had bothered to have this Executive Order created and vetted (ha) properly, could have been avoided. But he and Bannon just went full speed ahead and put out a nightmare of an EO. I'm glad there are some people within the government who are willing to stand up for our Constitution and not just cave to Trump's whims of the day. |
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Post by cade387 on Jan 31, 2017 3:00:06 GMT
If Sessions was confirmed tomorrow and she hadn't been fired, wouldn't the transition have been immediate? If so, he did this just to stick it to her because God forbid anyone disagree with the dictator.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 31, 2017 3:00:26 GMT
She should have stood up to him privately. You all KNOW that. I am really surprised that some of you whom I respect as level-headed truly think he was wrong in firing her. You know good and well if one of Obama's cabinet members had done the same thing you would have felt he/she should have been fired.
And BTW--exactly HOW is this unconstitutional? Who has made that determination?
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 31, 2017 3:05:06 GMT
Sessions is scheduled for confirmation Tuesday by the Senate judiciary Committee.
Yates has 27 years experience in the Attorney General's Office. I suspect that her knowledge or wisdom trumps Trump and his advisors. An Attorney should uphold the law, and if they have questions, in her position, she has the right to determine whether to defend the action. This is done everyday in every Prosecutors Office across America. I commend her courage.
Trumps actions would meet less resistance if he took a more reasonable approach and had people advising him that were not complete idiots. What works in business does not apply to the actions of a President. His actions have a global effect, and a human result. It is called Diplomacy.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 31, 2017 3:05:48 GMT
he appointed someone else... saturday night massacre anyone (re Nixon)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 3:12:33 GMT
Of course he did!
She spoke up as to its legality and he didn't like it.
Asshole.
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 31, 2017 3:13:38 GMT
Seriously how is it unconstitutional? Violates the first amendment by discriminating based upon Religion. also see www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegaland you want Yates to speak to Trump privately? Separation of powers - Executive/Legislative/Judicial. Checls and balances - something we have apparently forfeited under the new regime. |
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Post by micheley on Jan 31, 2017 3:15:02 GMT
He appointed:
According to CNN
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 3:16:51 GMT
She should have stood up to him privately. You all KNOW that. I am really surprised that some of you whom I respect as level-headed truly think he was wrong in firing her. You know good and well if one of Obama's cabinet members had done the same thing you would have felt he/she should have been fired. And BTW--exactly HOW is this unconstitutional? Who has made that determination? You're totally negating her experience. She is NOT making a political opinion, she is stating her experience, expertise and knowledge. She is in her position because she KNOWS her job. Surely YOU realize that. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 31, 2017 3:17:34 GMT
She should have stood up to him privately. You all KNOW that. I am really surprised that some of you whom I respect as level-headed truly think he was wrong in firing her. You know good and well if one of Obama's cabinet members had done the same thing you would have felt he/she should have been fired. And BTW--exactly HOW is this unconstitutional? Who has made that determination? She's not the White House Counsel. She's technically the country's lawyer, not the president's lawyer, although - optimally - he chooses her and they are simpatico. Do we know she didn't talk with the president privately? I honestly don't know what protocol is. I know Nixon fired his AG 'cause he was displeased with an opinion, but I have to look that up to refresh my memory. |
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 31, 2017 3:17:45 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO.
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Post by lovetodigi on Jan 31, 2017 3:17:47 GMT
Trumps actions would meet less resistance if he took a more reasonable approach and had people advising him that were not complete idiots. What works in business does not apply to the actions of a President. His actions have a global effect, and a human result. It is called Diplomacy. Any half way knowledgeable person that runs a business would know that you don't wipe out all of the experienced employees, in every single aspect of a business and bring all new people in, from the top down who have no experience or knowledge of the business. It is headed for a total disaster. Our country, if it survives, will struggle for years to repair the damage that is being done to us here at home and abroad. Then again, Bannon has stated that he wants to destroy everything about this country, including both parties and our government. He has his puppet, Trump, falling in line and signing away everything. It is being chipped away a bit every day. Big chips. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2017 3:18:45 GMT
Seriously how is it unconstitutional? Violates the first amendment by discriminating based upon Religion. also see www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegaland you want Yates to speak to Trump privately? Separation of powers - Executive/Legislative/Judicial. Checls and balances - something we have apparently forfeited under the new regime. Yeah. Trump and the Republican party seem to have forgotten that he doesn't actually control the AG's office. He couldn't have directed them to prosecute Hillary as he promised, and he couldn't direct her to mount a defense against an order she felt was not constitutionally defensible. Good for her for standing up to him, even if she did lose the job she was going to lose anyway as a result. I'd love to know more about her. She might be the kind of principled person we need on a ballot somewhere in 2018. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 3:21:22 GMT
Not to forget, that once again, he is widening a divide and pitting people against one another.
This country with his lead is going to SUCK. This week has been the biggest cluster f*ck because of him and his minions.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 31, 2017 3:23:13 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. You keep telling us what we know, but at least for me, I DON'T know what happens (edit: happened) or how it works in this - admittedly remarkable - situation. I don't think anybody's trying to be disingenuous here. And it's also possible that some grandstanding is being done on both sides, considering the clock was ticking on her tenure. It's a grand gesture to fire somebody in that situation, too. |
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Post by cade387 on Jan 31, 2017 3:23:42 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. How do you know for a fact that she didn't try that approach first? |
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2017 3:23:45 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. You're accusing HER of grandstanding? She *took a stand* - which is very different. You know as well as every single one of us that if she went to Trump privately (and maybe she did), he would have done the same thing. He's a child who does not care what anyone else thinks and doesn't believe anyone is more knowledgeable than him. He doesn't take advice or guidance from anyone. He's a fool. She spoke up for the rule of law and the Constitution. Is the Second Amendment the only part of the Constitution the GOP cares about anymore? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2017 3:24:53 GMT
NO---she most certainly should have handled this in a non-public setting. But I think most of you know that. This was grandstanding on her part. And how on EARTH is this a Saturday night massacre? She was losing her job in a few short days anyway. She knew that and it gave her a chance to make herself look great with those who are upset over this EO. I don't believe a word of this. It is increasingly disturbing that those who do support him find some kind of excuse that every one else--it cannot possibly be him at all ever--is grandstanding, hysterical, making mountains out of molehills, overreacting. Smh |
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Post by micheley on Jan 31, 2017 3:28:56 GMT
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 31, 2017 3:30:46 GMT
Not to forget, that once again, he is widening a divide and pitting people against one another. And it's frighteningly amazing how quickly he is doing this. He's only been president less than two weeks, right? |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 31, 2017 3:31:54 GMT
Wait, what? Just now? I feel like I can't keep up. Off to look for article. |
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