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Post by annabella on Feb 8, 2017 21:40:23 GMT
I wanted to get your thoughts on this article from a plus size women regarding JCrew sizes. JCrew sizes range from 000 to 16 (yes there's a 00 and a 0, no idea what that means) although petites end at 12. I've never looked at their sizes before but I would wager a guess that size 16 is new. Many years ago when I hit a size 14 at Ann Taylor, I panicked because I realized I was the last size in the store and couldn't be sized out. That convinced me to lose 40 lbs. Looking at Ann Taylor now I see they go up to size 18. This year Nike even released a plus size collection. There seems to be a shift for regular stores to offer extended sizes. Do you think stores should offer all sizes like the blogger says? I disagree with her on the idea that plus size clothing is less stylish, in 2017 it is not.
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Post by mom on Feb 8, 2017 22:09:35 GMT
oh good Lord. No. A store should sell whatever sizes they want to. And the idea that plus size woman don't have stylish options? Please.
I wear JCrew almost daily. Its a brand that fits me: in style, shape, budget, etc.
I am a size 12 and I am firmly of the opinion that a store should sell whatever they want, in the sizes they want. If I find something I love and JCrew doesn't sell it in my size, oh well. I will go find it somewhere else and JCrew loses money.
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Post by scrappyesq on Feb 8, 2017 22:35:12 GMT
I also wear JCrew daily, I don't think any retailer should feel compelled to carry all sizes.
As far as a lack of options, maybe for her personal taste there aren't enough, but there are TONS of plus size fashion bloggers out there who can point her in a lot of different directions.
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Post by kenziekeeper on Feb 8, 2017 22:43:38 GMT
I also wear a lot of J.Crew. I think there are a far cry from "few" options for plus - sized shoppers at this point and agree with mom - if J.Crew doesn't have it to fit me, I'll take my money elsewhere - it's their prerogative to sell clothes in the sizes they'd like and mine to shop where I can find things that fit well . On a personal note, I do wish their petites would go up to include 14s - they say they go up through 12s, but not everything comes even that high.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 8, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
I think if they want a piece of the market that caters to plus sized women they should start offering plus sizes beyond a 14 and 16.
And I don't know where you guys shop, but I always have a hell of a time finding cute clothes in my size (18/20 depending on the brand and article of clothing). Most of it has garish patterns and hangs like a sack. I have to do some serious work to find cute clothes that fit correctly.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Feb 8, 2017 22:46:26 GMT
I think that most companies don't offer plus sizing because of niche demand and increased cost of production. Not because my "money isn't good enough" though I recognize that there are retailers who do object to larger sizing as a form of brand identity (was it Abercrombie?). I am not familiar with JCrew to comment.
Even at plus size stores here, the clearance section is always full of size 22 and up. At a 16-20, I can rarely find things on clearance. Those larger sizes sell less and no one wants to sit on unsold merchandise. Designing for plus size bodies is so much harder as well- you aren't just grading one pattern up a size.
You have a WAY bigger selection (hehe) in the US than we have in Canada. It is slowly changing. Stores that have started expanding their sizing are definitely getting my business.
I don't expect companies to offer extending sizing, but I appreciate those who do and I hope that they find the effort to encompass this demographic worthwhile.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Feb 8, 2017 22:46:41 GMT
I'm plus sized and part of me can see where she is coming from. I don't think a store should be required to sell plus sized though....let them sell whatever they want.
I will say I have always put the term plus size in 2 catagories in my head...you have the "smaller plus size" and then you have the "larger plus size" which again in my head I see the larger plus size being 3x and above in tops and 24 and above in bottoms and the larger plus size group absolutely does have a harder time finding tready clothing especially if you're looking for younger trendy clothing. I can walk into a Lane Bryant and it's geared to older people and it's not as trendy IMO.
With all that said its just more motivation for me to lose weight, keep eating better and working out so I can wear cute and trendy clothes.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 8, 2017 22:47:52 GMT
I wear plus size and it is very difficult to find cute clothes in plus sizes. Either they just add a lot of fabric to a smaller sized style or they offer unflattering dowager styles.
I like the styles on Dresslily and Rosegal and places like that. Stores for me are Catherines, Dress Barnm and Lane Bryant. Ugh. And Roamans, who has some things I like shows their stuff on thin models. How am I supposed to see how I would look?
Stores can of course sell whatever they think will make them money. But there is a plus size market of people who like fashion forward clothes or at least cute or fun.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Feb 8, 2017 22:48:17 GMT
I think if they want a piece of the market that caters to plus sized women they should start offering plus sizes beyond a 14 and 16. And I don't know where you guys shop, but I always have a hell of a time finding cute clothes in my size (18/20 depending on the brand and article of clothing). Most of it has garish patterns and hangs like a sack. I have to do some serious work to find cute clothes that fit correctly. Check Torrid out. It's the only place I can find cute clothes. Also Lovesick is another good option.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Feb 8, 2017 22:50:29 GMT
I wear plus size and it is very difficult to find cute clothes in plus sizes. Either they just add a lot of fabric to a smaller sized style or they offer unflattering dowager styles. I like the styles on Dresslily and Rosegal and places like that. Stores for me are Catherines, Dress Barnm and Lane Bryant. Ugh. And Roamans, who has some things I like shows their stuff on thin models. How am I supposed to see how I would look? Stores can of course sell whatever they think will make them money. But there is a plus size market of people who like fashion forward clothes or at least cute or fun. Biggest pet peeve! If your plus size model is a size 10, I am not buying your clothes!
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Feb 8, 2017 22:54:46 GMT
I wear plus size and it is very difficult to find cute clothes in plus sizes. Either they just add a lot of fabric to a smaller sized style or they offer unflattering dowager styles. I like the styles on Dresslily and Rosegal and places like that. Stores for me are Catherines, Dress Barnm and Lane Bryant. Ugh. And Roamans, who has some things I like shows their stuff on thin models. How am I supposed to see how I would look? Stores can of course sell whatever they think will make them money. But there is a plus size market of people who like fashion forward clothes or at least cute or fun. Biggest pet peeve! If your plus size model is a size 10, I am not buying your clothes! I agree. But if you go on YouTube and type in plus size clothing tons of videos pop up of ladies in all different plus sizes modeling clothing. They also post their look books on IG as well which is helpful.
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Post by peano on Feb 8, 2017 22:59:12 GMT
Size 16 is not new. They have a few items under what they call "extended sizes" but the selection is not large. FYI, I don't consider size 16 to be plus size, nor do I consider 18-20, the size I typically take in misses tops to be plus size. I have some turtlenecks and a jacket from J. Crew but typically their woven fabric size 16s are too small in the shoulders for me. I take a 12 or 14 in their pull on pants.
Plus size 16 -20 has a completely different fit from a size 16-20 misses size in my experience. I think the author should direct her focus toward plus-size retailers (because a 24 IS a plus size) to start to offer well made clothes in good quality fabrics and sophisticated color palettes. There are definitely a ton of more options now, than when I was a lot heavier and wore plus sizes. I think part of the problem is that people are always "gonna lose weight" so they don't want to invest a lot of money into clothes they think they are going to diet out of. So if people don't buy them, the manufacturers won't make them.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 8, 2017 23:18:24 GMT
i think more stores will add plus sizes not from a moral standpoint but because it will add to their $$ bottom line if their is a demand for larger clothes. if research shows that weight is increasing among mid to higher end shoppers, stores like J Crew, Ann Taylor, and Banana Republic will expand their inventory to include those buyers. it only makes sense. now, i doubt they will ever carry many if any sizes beyond 16 or 18 because that's just not their image but anything beyond 14 is a start.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 8, 2017 23:25:16 GMT
I get where she is coming from.. I'm plus size.. almost got down to non-plus a few years ago. Now I don't think any stores should HAVE to require to carry plus size, but like her, I see something sometimes and drool over it and come to find out it only goes to size 14. (or whatever)... I have a friend who has a boutique that is full of adorable clothes.. but can I shop there, no. I don't think they have anything larger than a 'L'. Kinda bums me out but it's life. Regarding the selection for Plus Size. IT SUCKS.. It used to suck a lot more and it's gotten better, but it STILL sucks. All that clearance stuff is crap. It's all sleeveless, large gaudy prints.. no one wants that crap. Who wants to see fat arms (on me that is)? No one. Horizontal stripes? Really? There are a few things horizontal stripes that are okay, but on the whole, nope. Then add my height.. I'm tall.. back in the 80s when I was in high school (not plus size) but nothing ever ever was long enough.. jeans for instance.... thank God capris came into style!! So now I am still tall/plus.... I gotta make sure the length is long enough and not squeezing my things like sausages..... Anyways, I don't know if I even made a point. I would love to see J.Crew or Ann Taylor or little boutique stores carry plus size, but if they want to keep their image for the skinnier people so be it.
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Post by Dreamsofnyssa on Feb 8, 2017 23:30:43 GMT
Stores can sell whatever sizes they like, but I can tell you that it is disappointing when they limit the sizes that they sell.
It is very hard to find plus sized clothing. There are very few stores that I can shop at. What really bugs me are the stores like Kohl's that only carry their plus sizes online. Plus-sized people are the ones that need to actually try stuff on because the few places that do sell Plus sizes expect the person to be tall and have big boobs.
I can't even shop at Lane Bryant because the pants they sell are too long. Basically, I am stuck shopping at Ross for tops and I have found that Kmart sells pants for short fat people. That's it.
Maybe If more stores sold plus sizes then maybe I wouldn't have to pay $70 (on sale) for 10 pairs of cotton underwear.
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Post by peano on Feb 9, 2017 0:25:53 GMT
Stores can sell whatever sizes they like, but I can tell you that it is disappointing when they limit the sizes that they sell. It is very hard to find plus sized clothing. There are very few stores that I can shop at. What really bugs me are the stores like Kohl's that only carry their plus sizes online. Plus-sized people are the ones that need to actually try stuff on because the few places that do sell Plus sizes expect the person to be tall and have big boobs. I can't even shop at Lane Bryant because the pants they sell are too long. Basically, I am stuck shopping at Ross for tops and I have found that Kmart sells pants for short fat people. That's it. Maybe If more stores sold plus sizes then maybe I wouldn't have to pay $70 (on sale) for 10 pairs of cotton underwear. Talbots sells plus petite pants.
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Post by annabella on Feb 9, 2017 1:05:16 GMT
I see a few of you say you can't find stylish plus size clothing. Check out Eloquii, Melissa McCarthy Seven, and Ashley Stewart.
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Post by stampinbetsy on Feb 9, 2017 1:11:15 GMT
Tim Gunn has been on kind of a tear lately about designers and plus sizes. He feels like designers are missing out on a huge opportunity by not designing for plus size.
I feel like plus size and petite are in the same boat - some things are cute and fit well, but you have to look for them.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 9, 2017 2:26:37 GMT
I think if they want a piece of the market that caters to plus sized women they should start offering plus sizes beyond a 14 and 16. And I don't know where you guys shop, but I always have a hell of a time finding cute clothes in my size (18/20 depending on the brand and article of clothing). Most of it has garish patterns and hangs like a sack. I have to do some serious work to find cute clothes that fit correctly. I agree!! There are some cute clothes but I can go on a site for "regular " sizes and find a TON of things I like... the minute I hit the plus size.. fewer options, fewer colors, and overall AWFUL prints.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 9, 2017 2:28:57 GMT
I see a few of you say you can't find stylish plus size clothing. Check out Eloquii, Melissa McCarthy Seven, and Ashley Stewart. I like Eloquii, but only about 1/3 of their stuff, and it is more for work... I have had no luck with either of the other two. I think Melissa McCarthy is sized for her shape... which is not mine.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 9, 2017 2:38:44 GMT
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Post by darkchami on Feb 9, 2017 4:05:45 GMT
I think if they want a piece of the market that caters to plus sized women they should start offering plus sizes beyond a 14 and 16. And I don't know where you guys shop, but I always have a hell of a time finding cute clothes in my size (18/20 depending on the brand and article of clothing). Most of it has garish patterns and hangs like a sack. I have to do some serious work to find cute clothes that fit correctly. I agree!! There are some cute clothes but I can go on a site for "regular " sizes and find a TON of things I like... the minute I hit the plus size.. fewer options, fewer colors, and overall AWFUL prints. I absolutely understand how it is a challenge to design for plus sizes. I do not understand the prints! Why do designers think we want a giant floral in mustard and brown? Do they think the train wreck will distract from the woman's size? I have found some really cute clothes at Torrid. They do a nice job with prints. Macy's is hit or miss. I have some nice things from there. They just never update their styles. Some of the clothes I purchased 5 years ago are still for sale.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 9, 2017 13:09:37 GMT
Macy's used to have a nice plus size department. Now, it's in the lowest level, behind housewares and childrens. Talk about making you feel less worthy than the average size woman! And, they dropped most of the name brands, at least here in MN. It's all store brand and polyester.
I have the best luck at Talbots. Once you know your size, you can online shop their clearance items for huge savings. They have $8 flat rate shipping, too.
Lane Bryant is too young for me and often poor quality, in my opinion. I DO love their underwear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 13:28:55 GMT
A store can sell whatever size they like though I do feel like they're missing out on a huge portion of the market. I don't personally understand the term 'plus size' why cant they just be sizes?
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Post by baylorgrad on Feb 9, 2017 15:38:56 GMT
Another option for fashionable (I think so, at least) plus-size pieces is J. Jill. I don't believe the stores -- if there are still any -- carry the larger sizes, but the catalog and online do. I've found lots of great items at J. Jill.
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Post by annabella on Feb 9, 2017 16:25:57 GMT
I absolutely understand how it is a challenge to design for plus sizes. I do not understand the prints! Why do designers think we want a giant floral in mustard and brown? Do they think the train wreck will distract from the woman's size? I have found some really cute clothes at Torrid. They do a nice job with prints. I thought Torrid was like Forever21, you stop shopping there after you hit a certain age? I don't think it matters if you wear prints or not, even in a solid black dress people see your size. I thought this print dress was really pretty. If you scroll down you can see real people wearing it.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 9, 2017 16:32:18 GMT
My problem is that almost all plus size clothing assumes we all have the same body type. I wear everything between L-XXL, 14-18 depending on fit and if it's a top or bottom. I have broad shoulders, large boobs, relatively flat stomach, straight hips and a round booty. Stretchy is my friend. J. Jill looks like maternity wear on my body and makes me look fatter than I am. The struggle is real!!!
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Post by annabella on Feb 9, 2017 16:36:09 GMT
I just went to check out J.Jill's site, didn't know the difference between Misses and Womens, I see that's their way of not saying plus size. Yet they have no plus size models wearing the clothes. What does a W mean after a size?
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Post by baylorgrad on Feb 9, 2017 16:40:26 GMT
I just went to check out J.Jill's site, didn't know the difference between Misses and Womens, I see that's their way of not saying plus size. Yet they have no plus size models wearing the clothes. What does a W mean after a size? The W means women's size -- like you said, it's J. Jill's way of saying plus size.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Feb 9, 2017 16:49:22 GMT
I will defend a store's right to cater to whatever sizes they want. However, I think the plus size market it not a tiny one, and there are consumer dollars out there to be grabbed. I always end up in the more expensive section of the department stores, but I would like to be able to find more moderately priced, well-made clothing, really, and would quickly give that store my business. I don't like Lane Bryant's style, and Catherines, Dress Barn and Cato's clothing aren't very well made. I sometimes visit Ashley Stewart when I visit my folks, but that is hit or miss with me. I just went to check out J.Jill's site, didn't know the difference between Misses and Womens, I see that's their way of not saying plus size. Yet they have no plus size models wearing the clothes. What does a W mean after a size? J Jill is my favorite right now. I live in their ponte pants. W just differentiates Womens/Plus Sizes. A 14 misses is cut slimmer than a 14 women's. My problem is that their measurements sometimes don't come close to matching the actual clothing. I recently purchased a sweater in a larger size than I normally wear because that was my size in their sizing chart. It was HUGE on me, and I ended up going down two sizes (and I could have gone 3 after receiving it) on next try. I would also love it if online retailers provided arm circumference on their sizing charts - that is my hardest to fit area. I hate, hate, hate tight arms.
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