used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 13, 2017 19:11:31 GMT
My spouse doesn't even take work phone calls at the dinner table at home in front of me and the kids because the information overheard would be inappropriate. Not classified, but inappropriate none the less! This administration is the shit show so many could see from miles away during the election!
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Feb 13, 2017 19:15:37 GMT
Obviously I agree. That said, I feel like I've missed something and as such, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a bit with a serious question.
Why did the person who called Trump re this not call an aide instead? Her can't be in his phone in the restaurant if nobody calls him.
Why did the aides bring the docs out there? Say, 'Excuse us sirs, we need to see the two of you in private.' If he says no, just tell me here, dig your heels in and refuse.
There's a time where insubordination is necessary. This was one of those times.
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 13, 2017 19:18:31 GMT
Obviously I agree. That said, I feel like I've missed something and as such, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a bit with a serious question. Why did the person who called Trump re this not call an aide instead? Her can't be in his phone in the restaurant if nobody calls him. Why did the aides bring the docs out there? Say, 'Excuse us sirs, we need to see the two of you in private.' If he says no, just tell me here, dig your heels in and refuse. There's a time where insubordination is necessary. This was one of those times. Because the whole bunch of them have no clue.
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Post by vspindler on Feb 13, 2017 19:32:28 GMT
Obviously I agree. That said, I feel like I've missed something and as such, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a bit with a serious question. Why did the person who called Trump re this not call an aide instead? Her can't be in his phone in the restaurant if nobody calls him. Why did the aides bring the docs out there? Say, 'Excuse us sirs, we need to see the two of you in private.' If he says no, just tell me here, dig your heels in and refuse. There's a time where insubordination is necessary. This was one of those times. Because the whole bunch of them have no clue. This. In their rush to be different and to shake up Washington and not be politicians, the Trump administration seems to have overlooked that there have been legitimate REASONS for some things being the way they are. That they appear to have not taken the transition seriously is an insult to Americans and to our government as an institution.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 13, 2017 20:19:42 GMT
Holy moly! I used to work with folks dealing with top secret data and they would have their door closed and locked and you had to knock or call them to talk to them and they were just reading stuff to themselves and I had a secret clearance at the time. Talking about it in a public place is such a face palm moment, I can't even. Did you see the photo of the security bag and key? I'm not sure what it really is but it looks like the man next to it is holding a fabric sample for redecorating. Please tell me I am wrong. I assume designers didn't co-mingle with security papers during your clearance days!
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Feb 13, 2017 20:26:45 GMT
I also think that knowing how he deals with people who tell him no, his subordinates might be a little scared to tell him that he can't stay at his table, he must come to a private, secure area for this matter.
Or they just have no clue and no idea why it might be a bad idea to discuss things like this in front of the public.
I do love the facebook photo being passed around of the restaurant patron with the guy who carries the nuclear football, though. Cause there's no possible reason why that guy should try to keep his identity a secret or anything.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 13, 2017 20:29:12 GMT
Why does he need to be at Mar a Lago all the time anyway? Is he making money off of this?
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Post by Prenticekid on Feb 13, 2017 20:36:09 GMT
www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/trump-shinzo-abe-mar-a-lago-north-korea/index.htmlThe gist: Trump is having dinner with The Japanese Prime Minister at his resort North Korea launches a missile The incident is discussed at the dinner table, with many other diners in the dining area, plus the staff that was buzzing around doing typical waitstaff stuff. After all of the hullabaloo about HRC not having properly handled classified emails, you would think that this is a pretty big issue. Was there no place secure and private that the issue could have been discussed? Trump was looking to hire foreign workers to staff the resort. There is no need to spend a bunch of money inserting agents when you could bribe a busboy with a $20 to share whatever info they overhear. From the various things I've seen - having the key in the classified materials bag when people who didn't have clearance in the room were present, discussing NatSec matters in a public venue, and the IC assuming that anything in the actual situation room is compromised - this is a very cavalier attitude towards national security. Is there no one that can explain how this works to him? Has it been explained, or he just doesn't care? I remember when it turned out that Bush had been warned of a pending attack right before 9/11. He didn't take it seriously and we we ended up being blindsided. There will be another attack. He will blame the judges when it happens because "they are letting all of these bad guys in." And then we will see a clampdown like after 9/11, only likely much worse. People will give up their rights for the illusion of safety. It will be the excuse Bannon and Miller need to put their plans in action. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but if there are are any terrorist attacks here, Russia (in conjunction with President Bannon, et al.) will be behind it. Not only will they clampdown, but people will naturally gravitate towards a leader, any leader, in the event of a terrorist attack. And, no. It is not okay to discuss such a matter in public.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Feb 13, 2017 21:08:10 GMT
It's how Putin got into power in the first place. A series of terrorist attacks on apartment buildings. 293 deaths. Over a thousand injuries. And he's been in charge ever since.
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Post by micheley on Feb 13, 2017 21:37:44 GMT
Holy moly! I used to work with folks dealing with top secret data and they would have their door closed and locked and you had to knock or call them to talk to them and they were just reading stuff to themselves and I had a secret clearance at the time. Talking about it in a public place is such a face palm moment, I can't even. Did you see the photo of the security bag and key? I'm not sure what it really is but it looks like the man next to it is holding a fabric sample for redecorating. Please tell me I am wrong. I assume designers didn't co-mingle with security papers during your clearance days! www.politicususa.com/2017/02/10/democratic-senator-busts-trump-making-america-safe-recklessly-handling-intel.html
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Grom Pea
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Post by Grom Pea on Feb 13, 2017 21:44:56 GMT
Holy moly! I used to work with folks dealing with top secret data and they would have their door closed and locked and you had to knock or call them to talk to them and they were just reading stuff to themselves and I had a secret clearance at the time. Talking about it in a public place is such a face palm moment, I can't even. Did you see the photo of the security bag and key? I'm not sure what it really is but it looks like the man next to it is holding a fabric sample for redecorating. Please tell me I am wrong. I assume designers didn't co-mingle with security papers during your clearance days! No I saw reference to it in another post but the Twitter account had been deleted. I imagine you don't want your face all over if you have such an important job, like where I worked they told people not to wear their badges out to lunch because you don't know who is watching you or listening to you. Even people knowing you work for company x might make them want to listen in on your conversations, and that's not even if it's top secret stuff. And no, no decorators were over in my office area, there were people who watered plants and janitors though, so I don't know how people handled sensitive info when they weren't in their office, probably locked it up at night though. Eta I didn't realize when I first responded you were talking about the pic with the bag on the desk, i thought you meant the picture that was referred to of the guy who carries the bag with a patron of the mar-a-lago club. Funny thing is when I saw the pic I was thinking it was a silicon chip or something technical, lol. Anyway just so everyone knows, I had a clearance but never actually handled any secret info or anything, I got it so I could potentially work on a project but then was hired by another dept which didn't require a clearance, so sadly I had to deactivate it nearly as soon as the full clearance came through (they give you an interim one while they run your background), since you're not supposed to have one if you don't work with classified info. :-)
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Grom Pea
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Post by Grom Pea on Feb 13, 2017 21:47:47 GMT
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Post by Grom Pea on Feb 13, 2017 21:49:37 GMT
Trump needs a cone of silence, haha! As well as some integrity and common sense on who to share said cone with. I know you're talking about "get smart" but maybe he needs a cone of shame a, la "Up"
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 13, 2017 22:00:46 GMT
I'm gonna take a chance and throw the monkey wrench.
How do we know for a fact that the dude with the briefcase in the pictures is THE guy with THE briefcase? Just because he's been seen in the entourage in the past doesn't mean the briefcase doesn't contain hairspray and spray tan.
Same with the paperwork at the table. Do we know it was top secret papers and not instructions for gold-leafing a toilet?
As much as I'm guilty of jumping on the bandwagon about him, I guess it's easier for me to accept that some dude who thinks he's clever is pulling a prank, than to believe this actually happened.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 13, 2017 22:10:46 GMT
This is the Dumb and Dumber administration.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 13, 2017 22:12:32 GMT
I'm gonna take a chance and throw the monkey wrench. How do we know for a fact that the dude with the briefcase in the pictures is THE guy with THE briefcase? Just because he's been seen in the entourage in the past doesn't mean the briefcase doesn't contain hairspray and spray tan. Same with the paperwork at the table. Do we know it was top secret papers and not instructions for gold-leafing a toilet? As much as I'm guilty of jumping on the bandwagon about him, I guess it's easier for me to accept that some dude who thinks he's clever is pulling a prank, than to believe this actually happened. Good devils advocate theory, but because the guy tweeting the "prank" is a Senator and it's reported in the Washington Post I'm inclined to give it more weight.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 13, 2017 22:18:08 GMT
I'm gonna take a chance and throw the monkey wrench. How do we know for a fact that the dude with the briefcase in the pictures is THE guy with THE briefcase? Just because he's been seen in the entourage in the past doesn't mean the briefcase doesn't contain hairspray and spray tan. Same with the paperwork at the table. Do we know it was top secret papers and not instructions for gold-leafing a toilet? As much as I'm guilty of jumping on the bandwagon about him, I guess it's easier for me to accept that some dude who thinks he's clever is pulling a prank, than to believe this actually happened. Good devils advocate theory, but because the guy tweeting the "prank" is a Senator and it's reported in the Washington Post I'm inclined to give it more weight. Well it was a good try, right?
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 13, 2017 22:19:20 GMT
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 13, 2017 22:41:50 GMT
I'm gonna take a chance and throw the monkey wrench. How do we know for a fact that the dude with the briefcase in the pictures is THE guy with THE briefcase? Just because he's been seen in the entourage in the past doesn't mean the briefcase doesn't contain hairspray and spray tan. Same with the paperwork at the table. Do we know it was top secret papers and not instructions for gold-leafing a toilet? As much as I'm guilty of jumping on the bandwagon about him, I guess it's easier for me to accept that some dude who thinks he's clever is pulling a prank, than to believe this actually happened. Well all the papers/people at the table happened between the time North Korea launched a missile test and when the Japanese Prime Minister and Pres Trump issued statements. So they either ignored it and ate dinner while someone else made the decisions/wrote the statements, or they were reading/crafting documents over dinner. In a fairly public space. The briefcase person isn't necessarily secret, you see them in video/photos in the background all the time. I think it was just jarring to see some random John Q Public (albeit rich public) sidle up and take a selfie and then brag post about it. During/around an international incident. I'm curious what the Japanese press is saying about everything.
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amom23
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Post by amom23 on Feb 13, 2017 22:49:05 GMT
Where are all the Trump supporters now?
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Post by micheley on Feb 13, 2017 23:05:57 GMT
Where are all the Trump supporters now? The big meanies on this list scared every single one of them off. #pmsing #feelingpetty
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 13, 2017 23:54:00 GMT
FFS, I can't even mention the names of clients during business meetings in restaurants, etc. This is insane. I was thinking I can't discuss my students in a public place with other teachers. Ffs, this man is a fucking idiot
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 13, 2017 23:55:51 GMT
Obviously I agree. That said, I feel like I've missed something and as such, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a bit with a serious question. Why did the person who called Trump re this not call an aide instead? Her can't be in his phone in the restaurant if nobody calls him. Why did the aides bring the docs out there? Say, 'Excuse us sirs, we need to see the two of you in private.' If he says no, just tell me here, dig your heels in and refuse. There's a time where insubordination is necessary. This was one of those times. remember the visual of Bush being told of 9/11. Much better way to handle it, but Bush knew how being president worked. Trump is 100% at fault here.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 13, 2017 23:59:36 GMT
Where are all the Trump supporters now? The big meanies on this list scared every single one of them off. #pmsing #feelingpetty I don't know that that is necessary. You can't close the gap if you keep prying it open. Typically what happens when someone is constantly being picked at or attacked is they dig in. We need some conservatives to start standing up to trump and they won't if the other side keeps attacking. There are some who back trump 100% and others who only back the Republican platform. Keep attacking and nothing will change.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 14, 2017 0:27:57 GMT
FFS, I can't even mention the names of clients during business meetings in restaurants, etc. This is insane. I was thinking I can't discuss my students in a public place with other teachers. Ffs, this man is a fucking idiot I was thinking about this...I just a josephine nobody, but I am now working in social service agency that deal with confidential material. I had lunch with a friend and I mentioned a client that had come in-but not at all by name, or any other kind of identifier. My friend works in a sister agency, one we routinely refer to and when given authorization, we release confidential information to. I couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't discuss a client by name or other wise in a way that she could figure out who it was. If I, lowly little office drone who makes less than the President's suit cost, can figure out how to be discreet and follow the rules of confidentiality, then I am going to hold him accountable for making incredibly poor decisions about he is handling top secret material and hold him to the same standards that the rest of us manage to operate under every day.
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Post by icequeen on Feb 14, 2017 0:50:50 GMT
In a word, no, it's not okay. I'm guessing the rationale will be that they were in a "secure location" because the resort was deemed safe to host the Trumps and Abes. I agree 100% with posters who said they could've moved elsewhere to discuss.
Given Trump's love of the limelight, dealing with this in front of a crowd just makes him look oh so important. Why would he retire behind closed doors? He is and always will be a reality tv star or drama queen. The more attention, the better.
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Post by micheley on Feb 14, 2017 1:24:20 GMT
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Post by micheley on Feb 14, 2017 1:54:49 GMT
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Post by micheley on Feb 14, 2017 2:02:32 GMT
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 14, 2017 2:11:41 GMT
I'm gonna take a chance and throw the monkey wrench. How do we know for a fact that the dude with the briefcase in the pictures is THE guy with THE briefcase? Just because he's been seen in the entourage in the past doesn't mean the briefcase doesn't contain hairspray and spray tan. Same with the paperwork at the table. Do we know it was top secret papers and not instructions for gold-leafing a toilet? As much as I'm guilty of jumping on the bandwagon about him, I guess it's easier for me to accept that some dude who thinks he's clever is pulling a prank, than to believe this actually happened. Well all the papers/people at the table happened between the time North Korea launched a missile test and when the Japanese Prime Minister and Pres Trump issued statements. So they either ignored it and ate dinner while someone else made the decisions/wrote the statements, or they were reading/crafting documents over dinner. In a fairly public space. The briefcase person isn't necessarily secret, you see them in video/photos in the background all the time. I think it was just jarring to see some random John Q Public (albeit rich public) sidle up and take a selfie and then brag post about it. During/around an international incident. I'm curious what the Japanese press is saying about everything. Well we can all rest easier. Apparently, they went into a private area to discuss the actual security-related stuff, and at the table they were just putting the finishing touches on the media statement.
White house statement
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