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Post by melanell on Feb 16, 2017 2:29:42 GMT
Toby can not travel by air because of his heart attack and surgery. That's why he was able to take her to camp. Yes, I totally agree. I said "Kate & Toby" in my post, but really, Toby does make sense to me. I included his name in error. He merely went away for a few days at Christmas, expecting to return to work, and instead wound up hospitalized on the East coast. But Kate---presumably she quit her job? Which seems odd after she worked so hard to get it and then keep it after she kicked the kid out of the car that day. Now I know we're supposed to believe that she had a life-changing experience on the plane on Thanksgiving. It caused her to jump in head first with planning to have her surgery. And she was with her mom in NY seeing a doctor. (Or at least that's how I took it.) So are we to figure that as part of her decision to have the surgery she decided to semi-permanently camp out with her mom & Miguel and quit her job as well? Because she's been gone close to 3 months now. I think the woman would have had to replace her in that much time. Kate must have enough of a cushion to keep maintaining her home while not working, I guess. Save
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 16, 2017 3:39:11 GMT
I think Toby's presence is explained.. and I think we do't follow every minute of every character... so I assume Kate must have told her employer she was taking time off for the surgery.. and will eventually have to go back to CA and sort out her life.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 16, 2017 5:02:42 GMT
This is the first episode to make me cry so far.
I don't get the Toby hate. I love him.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 16, 2017 6:28:06 GMT
Are they all independently wealthy? Well, yes. Randall clearly has a high paying job and his wife works, too. They're rich. Kevin was the star of a tv show. He had no kids or dependants to support. Remember the episode that showed his west coast apartment and that amazing closet? Kevin was paying Kate and again she had no dependants or kids to support. Rebecca presumably got a life insurance payment when Jack died and now she's married to Jack's boss who presumably made more money than Jack did. So I find it pretty believable that none of them worry about money.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 16, 2017 17:34:56 GMT
I wonder where Kate is getting her money. She didn't seem to be stable financially. She had barely got the job as an assistant and left.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 16, 2017 18:26:20 GMT
I wonder where Kate is getting her money. She didn't seem to be stable financially. She had barely got the job as an assistant and left. I'm pretty sure the job was temporary to help plan an event? At least that's the way I remember it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Kevin is supporting her financially. I have to admit I'm over the dramatic shifts in this show and really just watch to see how it ends.
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Post by lisae on Feb 16, 2017 18:28:54 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show.
Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright.
I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 16, 2017 18:32:19 GMT
I wonder where Kate is getting her money. She didn't seem to be stable financially. She had barely got the job as an assistant and left. Kevin paid her to be his assistant the whole time he was a star. She has no kids or anyone to support and she rented a place with a roommate. She should have money in the bank.
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Post by debmast on Feb 16, 2017 20:07:56 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show. Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright. I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else. I felt like Kevin did what he did because of his "you are your father's son" talk he had just had with Miguel. He was putting family first.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 16, 2017 20:55:05 GMT
I loved it all.. Rebecca (the actor, Mandy Moore) I absolutely love but I have a 'connection' with her (I can't really share unless I expose personal information).. but anything that girl does, I love love love. LOL... I am not liking her character though and hope she turns it around.
Kevin and Randall.. sniff sniff...
Kate and Toby.. I do like.. I don't know about all the hate for Toby.. sometimes I don't like his character and being too silly but I do like him overall.
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Post by jcmom04 on Feb 16, 2017 20:56:08 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show. Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright. I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else. I actually think you are correct in what you are saying (he had other responsibilities); however, I strongly believe life presents difficult decisions and choices and there comes a point where we have to choose and not everyone will be ok/satisfied and we will even have to deal with consequences and ramifications of our decisions. I hope that the show presents the fall-out realistically... (& in my opinion) that Kevin decides for himself (his family) he made the right decision. Kristin
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Post by Really Red on Feb 16, 2017 21:23:02 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show. Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright. I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else. I thought of this. I also thought there must be an understudy who could go on and hopefully, Kevin said something to him. But Randall was life or death. Still, hopefully Kevin said something to someone. I still loved it!
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Post by perumbula on Feb 16, 2017 21:30:26 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show. Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright. I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else. I'm with you on this one. It looked very sweet when Kevin ran out without a thought, but there were dozens of people hurt tremendously by what he did. Yes, Randall needed help, but Kevin could have easily sent word to family about it. he could have called in the understudy. he could have told his fellow actors what he was doing. Just running out with no word to anyone was ridiculously irresponsible and selfish. He had to go be like his dad, so screw everyone else! It's nice Randall was helped, but it's too bad everyone else had to get the shaft.
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Post by melanell on Feb 16, 2017 22:26:53 GMT
I know I'm supposed to love what Kevin did for Randall but I keep thinking about all the other people he left hanging. He tanked Sloan's career (and possibly his) by running out on the show. Randall needed help for sure but he knew Rebecca and Kate were in the audience. He could have sent word for them to go to Randall and then joined them as soon as the show was over. He probably wouldn't have given his best performance yet everyone is going to think he left because of stage fright. I know this isn't the general opinion or what you are supposed to think as you watched the way Kevin treated his brother when he was younger but I couldn't help but think there was another way for Kevin to help Randal and not walk out on his responsibility to everyone else. I actually think you are correct in what you are saying (he had other responsibilities); however, I strongly believe life presents difficult decisions and choices and there comes a point where we have to choose and not everyone will be ok/satisfied and we will even have to deal with consequences and ramifications of our decisions. I hope that the show presents the fall-out realistically... (& in my opinion) that Kevin decides for himself (his family) he made the right decision. Kristin I think, that really, he could have taken 2 seconds to tell her that he was going to his brother instead of doing the play. Then she could have at least walked out onto the stage and explained to the audience that the play wouldn't be happening. Instead she went out there and wound up as confused as everyone else, which had to have made the whole situation (and fallout later) worse. Save
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Post by perumbula on Feb 16, 2017 22:33:33 GMT
Oh and can we talk about how horrible it was of Toby to tell Kate he couldn't marry her as long as she couldn't talk to him about the most painful event of her life that she never talks to anyone about? Seriously, Toby? That was manipulative and wrong. GAH. Forcing a confidence like that is not the way to build trust in a relationship. And the show made it look like he was in the right and perfectly reasonable to say it. That I can't abide.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 16, 2017 22:34:40 GMT
Oh and can we talk about how horrible it was of Toby to tell Kate he couldn't marry her as long as she couldn't talk to him about the most painful event of her life that she never talks to anyone about? Seriously, Toby? That was manipulative and wrong. GAH. Forcing a confidence like that is not the way to build trust in a relationship. And the show made it look like he was in the right and perfectly reasonable to say it. That I can't abide. I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything.
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Post by perumbula on Feb 16, 2017 22:38:52 GMT
Oh and can we talk about how horrible it was of Toby to tell Kate he couldn't marry her as long as she couldn't talk to him about the most painful event of her life that she never talks to anyone about? Seriously, Toby? That was manipulative and wrong. GAH. Forcing a confidence like that is not the way to build trust in a relationship. And the show made it look like he was in the right and perfectly reasonable to say it. That I can't abide. I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything. I have a painful event in my past that I do not discuss openly with people. When I talked with my husband his response was basically "tell me when you're ready. As much or as little and you want. I'm here for you no matter what." Toby's response made Kate's pain all about him and what he wanted instead of what Kate needed. that's why it's wrong.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 16, 2017 22:43:20 GMT
I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything. I have a painful event in my past that I do not discuss openly with people. When I talked with my husband his response was basically "tell me when you're ready. As much or as little and you want. I'm here for you no matter what." Toby's response made Kate's pain all about him and what he wanted instead of what Kate needed. that's why it's wrong. I still see it from Toby's side. I wouldn't want to be married to a person until we reach the point we are ready to share everything with each other. To me Toby said pretty much what your husband said, he just added and we can't get married until we reach that point. There's nothing wrong with him adding his own feelings to it.
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Post by disneypal on Feb 17, 2017 0:00:38 GMT
Just thought I would share this because I saw it a few days ago. This is Kate (Chrissy Metz) and Toby (Chris Sullivan - without his padded suit) Save
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Post by zella on Feb 17, 2017 0:13:44 GMT
I had no idea that Toby wore a fat suit! Wow, he's much more attractive than I realized. And please don't take that as fat judgement. Some people look awesome heavy, others not so much. He, for me, falls into the not so much category. He also looks younger, and often it's the opposite. I think my face looks much older since I lost 35-40 lbs.
I thought that this week's episode ended rather abruptly. I love that Kevin ran to Randall. Best thing he's ever done on the show. But at the same time, I feel awful for Sloane, since it was supposed to be her premiere, and some important critics were there. The timing really sucked. But goodness, Randall is walking a tightrope, isn't he?
And can I just say how refreshing it is to see a show where men have deep emotional lives, and where a man crying isn't that uncommon. That is rarely shown, and I think it is really important.
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Post by brina on Feb 17, 2017 0:15:24 GMT
Oh and can we talk about how horrible it was of Toby to tell Kate he couldn't marry her as long as she couldn't talk to him about the most painful event of her life that she never talks to anyone about? Seriously, Toby? That was manipulative and wrong. GAH. Forcing a confidence like that is not the way to build trust in a relationship. And the show made it look like he was in the right and perfectly reasonable to say it. That I can't abide. I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything. and after he shared the worst of his life with her, I don't blame him at all. I don't get the Toby hate. Kate on the other had - ugh. SaveSave
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Post by melanell on Feb 17, 2017 0:17:39 GMT
I had no idea that Toby wore a fat suit! Wow, he's much more attractive than I realized. And please don't take that as fat judgement. Well, until you kept going I didn't see it that way at all, because my first thought was that he looks SO different when wearing a hat. The weight didn't make the difference for me. It was all in the hat. Save
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 0:19:58 GMT
I had no idea that Toby wore a fat suit! Wow, he's much more attractive than I realized. And please don't take that as fat judgement. Well, until you kept going I didn't see it that way at all, because my first thought was that he looks SO different when wearing a hat. The weight didn't make the difference for me. It was all in the hat. SaveYes! He needs to start wearing the hat on the show! I think he looks younger too. It's funny how our perceptions can be skewed.
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Post by melanell on Feb 17, 2017 0:20:08 GMT
Oh and can we talk about how horrible it was of Toby to tell Kate he couldn't marry her as long as she couldn't talk to him about the most painful event of her life that she never talks to anyone about? Seriously, Toby? That was manipulative and wrong. GAH. Forcing a confidence like that is not the way to build trust in a relationship. And the show made it look like he was in the right and perfectly reasonable to say it. That I can't abide. I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything. I think that there are plenty of things that people never talk about, and no one else ever even realizes that there is something they don't know. In this case, it's obvious that she had a father, that he's deceased, and that she doesn't discuss him. But it's certainly very possible for people to have far less obvious subjects that they choose not to discuss with anyone---spouses included. Save
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Post by melanell on Feb 17, 2017 0:22:43 GMT
People were recently discussing that they aren't overly fond of the bit of hair he has left in the front, and the hat hides that completely. I really think that like it, hate, it, or don't really care about it, that tuft is front & center on him and so it's something you notice. Take that away and suddenly you're much more likely to really focus in on his face.
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Post by zella on Feb 17, 2017 0:35:13 GMT
People were recently discussing that they aren't overly fond of the bit of hair he has left in the front, and the hat hides that completely. I really think that like it, hate, it, or don't really care about it, that tuft is front & center on him and so it's something you notice. Take that away and suddenly you're much more likely to really focus in on his face. Exactly! Get rid of that stupid piece of hair!
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 17, 2017 0:58:54 GMT
I have a painful event in my past that I do not discuss openly with people. When I talked with my husband his response was basically "tell me when you're ready. As much or as little and you want. I'm here for you no matter what." Toby's response made Kate's pain all about him and what he wanted instead of what Kate needed. that's why it's wrong. Rebeca isn't my favorite because of what she did to Randall. I am in agreement with her wanting to go on the tour with the band for the summer. Her kids are in their teens. She doesn't seem to be aware of Randall's anxiety attacks. We haven't heard much about teen Kate. She really did step up when Jack was abusing alcohol and I feel like it's his turn. She should have said from the beginning she dated the band member for a couple of months. That was wrong. I can understand why she didn't as well if Jack has acted jealous for no reason in the past.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Feb 17, 2017 3:10:54 GMT
I agree with Toby. I wouldn't want to marry someone who couldn't/wouldn't talk to me about everything. and after he shared the worst of his life with her, I don't blame him at all. I don't get the Toby hate. Kate on the other had - ugh. SaveSaveI also don't get the Toby hate. I don't blame him got saying what he did to Kate at all and I'm just like her when it comes to not sharing things that happened in my past. So speaking from "Kate's viewpoint" I'm glad he stood his ground with her! At the start of the show I was really team Kate and now I'm starting to think she's a bitch which sucks because I've never ever related to a tv actor so much before until she came along.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 17, 2017 3:19:10 GMT
Wow I knew "Toby" in real life had lost a bunch of weight, but I was thinking he lost it fast and these shows were taped before the weight loss. LOL..
I think he looks hot in that picture!! I don't think he is hot on the show.. because of the dumb looking piece of hair in the front. Are they styling it like that? Is that natural? Sometimes I can't focus off his hair. I do think with the weight loss he is more attractive, but mainly I am focusing on the hair... If that is natural, I'm sorry but maybe a new hairdresser is in order??
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