oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Feb 20, 2017 20:03:35 GMT
This author is talking about Red Pill for Women. She has written for the masses not for the individual. So as a reader you must look for what applies to you and your partner and see if it helps your situation.
Divorce rates are stated to be 50% these days. But for those who have married in more recent years that figure rises greatly. BTW as a side note the more money spent on the wedding the less likely the marriage is to survive.
Full bellies and empty balls go a long way in keeping a man happy and at home. But they also need respect, loyalty and love. Men who get these things will go the length to make his woman as happy as he is. Men who do not get these things will only endure bad treatment for so long and then will be gone.
Most who have responded to this thread are married women(for now anyway). What say the single women who can not get a man to commit. And men are not committing the way they used to. They have seen their family, friends or themselves burned and do not want to go that route.
I have not read this book, this is the first I have heard of it. There is a similar book out there that was originally written for men but has been revised to encompass both men and women and it is based on the concept of captain and first mate ideal. It has a website and a discussion forum and it has helped many couples.
So you may not need this book or any other book to help your marriage but there are many people out there who could benefit from the teachings that are offered.
How many of you divorced women walked down the aisle with the thought that if this marriage doesn't work I'll just get divorced and start over. Not many I would guess, instead you were looking at it as a lifetime commitment.
With the dating apps, the dating world is a totally different place than it used to be. You will be judged by your photo on a 1-10 scale just to get a date, never mind a husband. And women are a dime a dozen on those things.
If you have a husband you might want to think about how to keep him. You work at keeping him and he will work at keeping you.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 20, 2017 20:06:58 GMT
I don't think this idea is too radical. And I do think there is some merit there. I am not married to an alpha male. He is very laid back. He let's me go with my bad self probably95% of the time. But he is still a man. When he feels strongly about something he speaks up and I give him the respect to listen. He came from a relationship with a stay at home wife. Then he got divorced and met me. For the first five years of our relationship I made more money than he did. I know thus bothered him. He felt like he was a man and so it was his job to be the provider. Now that he makes more money it has improved his self esteem. Dr laura says men need to feel like a provider and a protector. And in my experience this is true. She also says that men's needs are simple and you can meet their needs with food, sex, and backrubs. I have found it to be true of my own husband. I think there is a give and take in relationships. I do think we need to accept that men and the male ego are different than women. And I think rather than expecting our men to change their view we need to be gentle with them and nurture them. I think really that's the whole reason men get married. They want to feel loved by someone and in general aren't affectionate with other people the way we are with girlfriends. I guess what I am trying to say is that relationships are often unequal. Our needs are different than men's needs. While I am not going to choose to make less money to please a husband, I do see in my own relationship that there is appreciation for when I do things that are specific to my gender role. Do I think this makes me an unequal partner? No I don't. Like I said he pretty much let's me go with my bad self 95% of the time. But I also feel like when he is nurtured he is a better husband. And maybe that's old fashioned thinking. But rather than try to change him I prefer to gently guide him using my femininities. And in turn he appreciates it when I act like a woman. And like I said he is very laid back and calm. And I am not. He deals with my emotions too. Anyway,all that to say I think we need to appreciate our differences. There's not much I agree with here. The differences between men and women (outside of basic physiological differences) are largely dictated by society. Men feel the need to protect and provide because they are raised with those expectations. Men aren't generally affectionate because they are raised to believe that emotions = female = weakness. My ego/needs are not dictated by my gender because the expectations and limits placed on me by my parents were not gender-based. So, you don't believe gay, lesbian and transgendered people are born that way. It's societal?
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Post by janskylar on Feb 20, 2017 20:08:06 GMT
Ugh, the idea that women are exactly like men in every way and men are exactly like women in every way except for differential genitals is ridiculous. I think the idea that all women are the same as all other women and all men are the same as all other men is ridiculous for what it is worth. Even though we have the same genitals.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 20, 2017 20:19:39 GMT
Ugh, the idea that women are exactly like men in every way and men are exactly like women in every way except for differential genitals is ridiculous. I think the idea that all women are the same as all other women and all men are the same as all other men is ridiculous for what it is worth. Even though we have the same genitals. I agree. Every woman is different on how they want their relationship dynamic to work. Some want traditional, some don't. One is not better than the other. It's what works for the couple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 20:26:01 GMT
Most who have responded to this thread are married women(for now anyway). That bitchy little dig is just delicious. Why is this labelled political? Save
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 20:44:47 GMT
Most who have responded to this thread are married women(for now anyway). That bitchy little dig is just delicious. Why is this labelled political? SaveSomeone(s) keeps marking it as 'Political' and I keep taking it off. Most things are political in one way or another - but as the poster, I do not consider it political and would appreciate if admin would not allow people to keep remarking threads that are not their own - as I predicted would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 20:47:57 GMT
That bitchy little dig is just delicious. Why is this labelled political? SaveSomeone(s) keeps marking it as 'Political' and I keep taking it off. Most things are political in one way or another - but as the poster, I do not consider it political and would appreciate if admin would not allow people to keep remarking threads that are not their own - as I predicted would happen. I don't consider it political either, very odd that someone thinks it is. Save
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 20, 2017 20:52:21 GMT
There's not much I agree with here. The differences between men and women (outside of basic physiological differences) are largely dictated by society. Men feel the need to protect and provide because they are raised with those expectations. Men aren't generally affectionate because they are raised to believe that emotions = female = weakness. My ego/needs are not dictated by my gender because the expectations and limits placed on me by my parents were not gender-based. So, you don't believe gay, lesbian and transgendered people are born that way. It's societal? You are conflating sexuality with gender; they are different. I'm gender-neutral (non-binary/gender fluid/whatever term you choose) but only attracted to men. Like sexuality, gender is a spectrum and some people fall within expected societal norms and some don't. Would transgender exist if society weren't so determined to pidgeonhole us into its binary model? I don't know. Which is why I play it safe by using words like 'largely'.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 20, 2017 20:54:56 GMT
Ugh, the idea that women are exactly like men in every way and men are exactly like women in every way except for differential genitals is ridiculous. Sorry, I guess I should have read this first before wasting my time responding to your other post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:12:54 GMT
This author is talking about Red Pill for Women. She has written for the masses not for the individual. So as a reader you must look for what applies to you and your partner and see if it helps your situation. Divorce rates are stated to be 50% these days. But for those who have married in more recent years that figure rises greatly. BTW as a side note the more money spent on the wedding the less likely the marriage is to survive. Full bellies and empty balls go a long way in keeping a man happy and at home. But they also need respect, loyalty and love. Men who get these things will go the length to make his woman as happy as he is. Men who do not get these things will only endure bad treatment for so long and then will be gone. Most who have responded to this thread are married women(for now anyway). What say the single women who can not get a man to commit. And men are not committing the way they used to. They have seen their family, friends or themselves burned and do not want to go that route. I have not read this book, this is the first I have heard of it. There is a similar book out there that was originally written for men but has been revised to encompass both men and women and it is based on the concept of captain and first mate ideal. It has a website and a discussion forum and it has helped many couples. So you may not need this book or any other book to help your marriage but there are many people out there who could benefit from the teachings that are offered. How many of you divorced women walked down the aisle with the thought that if this marriage doesn't work I'll just get divorced and start over. Not many I would guess, instead you were looking at it as a lifetime commitment. With the dating apps, the dating world is a totally different place than it used to be. You will be judged by your photo on a 1-10 scale just to get a date, never mind a husband. And women are a dime a dozen on those things. If you have a husband you might want to think about how to keep him. You work at keeping him and he will work at keeping you. Completely disagree. There are men who like the "hunt" They like the adrenaline rush of the chase, of the chance of being caught, the risk, the secrecy. No amount of full belly, readily available sex at home, love, respect, admiration is going to fill their needs. There are men who are homebodies that will settle in with a woman who will feed him physically and be his fan club. But there are just as many men (imo) who are players that are on the prowl to varying degrees. They want a harem, not just one wife but many women feeding their needs. I will NEVER again work to keep a man, btdt. If I am inadequate in my humanity and he can't work equally to keep my commitment he can take a long hike off a short plank over a deep ocean.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 21, 2017 3:27:11 GMT
So, you don't believe gay, lesbian and transgendered people are born that way. It's societal? You are conflating sexuality with gender; they are different. I'm gender-neutral (non-binary/gender fluid/whatever term you choose) but only attracted to men. Like sexuality, gender is a spectrum and some people fall within expected societal norms and some don't. Would transgender exist if society weren't so determined to pidgeonhole us into its binary model? I don't know. Which is why I play it safe by using words like 'largely'. My daughter has a transgendered friend. He has always felt male inside even though he is female on the outside. Physiology is the reason, not because his parents brought him up gender neutral and he "decided" to be male.
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Post by busy on Feb 21, 2017 3:44:24 GMT
Puke. Just puke.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 21, 2017 11:54:47 GMT
You are conflating sexuality with gender; they are different. I'm gender-neutral (non-binary/gender fluid/whatever term you choose) but only attracted to men. Like sexuality, gender is a spectrum and some people fall within expected societal norms and some don't. Would transgender exist if society weren't so determined to pidgeonhole us into its binary model? I don't know. Which is why I play it safe by using words like 'largely'. My daughter has a transgendered friend. He has always felt male inside even though he is female on the outside. Physiology is the reason, not because his parents brought him up gender neutral and he "decided" to be male.Which isn't what I said at all.
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Post by tracyarts on Feb 21, 2017 12:23:47 GMT
I just asked my husband if he agreed that a full belly and empty balls were the key to male relationship satisfaction. He said he had never heard anything as condescending and demeaning in his life.
Would the equivalent of keeping a woman happy in a relationship involve a closet full of purses and shoes and no worries to clutter up her pretty little head?
How about we be co-alphas and each take on the things we're better suited for as individuals?
Unless one of you are submissive by nature and want to live it as a 24/7 lifestyle choice. That's okay too. But don't couch it in redpill bullshittery and try and pass it off as what gender roles should be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 13:24:51 GMT
I just asked my husband if he agreed that a full belly and empty balls were the key to male relationship satisfaction. He said he had never heard anything as condescending and demeaning in his life. Would the equivalent of keeping a woman happy in a relationship involve a closet full of purses and shoes and no worries to clutter up her pretty little head? How about we be co-alphas and each take on the things we're better suited for as individuals? Unless one of you are submissive by nature and want to live it as a 24/7 lifestyle choice. That's okay too. But don't couch it in redpill bullshittery and try and pass it off as what gender roles should be. Why oh why is this so hard for so many that they feel the need to ram gender roles down others' throats? You do you. I know lots of miserable gender role couples (hi, mom and dad). There is no panacea for how to be happy. Just honesty, work, communication and dealing as equitably as both can w/the sh!#ty parts of life.
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Post by mallie on Feb 21, 2017 13:44:55 GMT
I just asked my husband if he agreed that a full belly and empty balls were the key to male relationship satisfaction. He said he had never heard anything as condescending and demeaning in his life. Would the equivalent of keeping a woman happy in a relationship involve a closet full of purses and shoes and no worries to clutter up her pretty little head? How about we be co-alphas and each take on the things we're better suited for as individuals? Unless one of you are submissive by nature and want to live it as a 24/7 lifestyle choice. That's okay too. But don't couch it in redpill bullshittery and try and pass it off as what gender roles should be. I asked my husband the same question. He asked, "So wives are nothing more than a hole and pair of hands? Disgusting. I hope our daughters never even run into anyone who thinks this way."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 14:21:25 GMT
I just asked my husband if he agreed that a full belly and empty balls were the key to male relationship satisfaction. He said he had never heard anything as condescending and demeaning in his life. Would the equivalent of keeping a woman happy in a relationship involve a closet full of purses and shoes and no worries to clutter up her pretty little head? How about we be co-alphas and each take on the things we're better suited for as individuals? Unless one of you are submissive by nature and want to live it as a 24/7 lifestyle choice. That's okay too. But don't couch it in redpill bullshittery and try and pass it off as what gender roles should be. I asked my husband the same question. He asked, "So wives are nothing more than a hole and pair of hands? Disgusting. I hope our daughters never even run into anyone who thinks this way." Your daughters will run into MANY who think and were taught that way. Teach them to run in the opposite direction when anyone tries to deal w/them as a "leader" vs. a "partner".
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 21, 2017 14:32:51 GMT
This author is talking about Red Pill for Women. She has written for the masses not for the individual. So as a reader you must look for what applies to you and your partner and see if it helps your situation. Divorce rates are stated to be 50% these days. But for those who have married in more recent years that figure rises greatly. BTW as a side note the more money spent on the wedding the less likely the marriage is to survive. Full bellies and empty balls go a long way in keeping a man happy and at home. But they also need respect, loyalty and love. Men who get these things will go the length to make his woman as happy as he is. Men who do not get these things will only endure bad treatment for so long and then will be gone. Most who have responded to this thread are married women(for now anyway). What say the single women who can not get a man to commit. And men are not committing the way they used to. They have seen their family, friends or themselves burned and do not want to go that route. I have not read this book, this is the first I have heard of it. There is a similar book out there that was originally written for men but has been revised to encompass both men and women and it is based on the concept of captain and first mate ideal. It has a website and a discussion forum and it has helped many couples. So you may not need this book or any other book to help your marriage but there are many people out there who could benefit from the teachings that are offered. How many of you divorced women walked down the aisle with the thought that if this marriage doesn't work I'll just get divorced and start over. Not many I would guess, instead you were looking at it as a lifetime commitment. With the dating apps, the dating world is a totally different place than it used to be. You will be judged by your photo on a 1-10 scale just to get a date, never mind a husband. And women are a dime a dozen on those things. If you have a husband you might want to think about how to keep him. You work at keeping him and he will work at keeping you. Divorce rates are actually at a 40-year low. So I guess women (and men) have unlocked the secret of marital success.
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Feb 22, 2017 1:57:33 GMT
No one — male or female — wants to live with a dictator. Every relationship suffers when anger is present. In a healthy marriage, neither person makes all the decisions. "Wow- What an interesting thread- In the last two weeks I've had discussions similar to this with both my lifelong best friend- Who is extremely alpha and in a miserable marriage, and my Boyfriend- who is not an alpha male- We both agree- partnership is what it's all about, but ultimately someone needs to have the final say, as long as both opinions are respected and valued. I firmly believe it all comes down to the last line- that I've quoted above. Do for me and I'll do for you,, if one partner is too alpha then there is bound to be issues. IMO-
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Post by maryland on Feb 22, 2017 2:23:44 GMT
I was raised by both a strong mother and father - there was no alpha/beta dynamic in their relationship. I was also raised in a gender-neutral environment where expectations and limitations were never altered based on our physiology. As such, I find this mindset, especially coming from a female, to be worthy of pity; pity that she has placed these limits on herself, pity that she will place these limits on her children. It's a mindset that not only weakens her daughters but her sons as well since strong men aren't threatened by a strong partner. Same here, and that's how we raise our kids! We have three girls and we raise them the same as we would if we had three boys. We decided that before we even had kids that we would not have double standards, we would treat them the same. I hope that makes sense!
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Feb 23, 2017 6:18:57 GMT
My husband takes a leadership role in his job. I have met many people over the years who are shocked when they first meet me that I speak my mind. Makes me giggle. They tag him as a alpha male and assume he wouldn't have a wife who would be considered alpha. Frankly I just think we are who are and we get along great.
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