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Post by jmd74 on Feb 20, 2017 15:00:24 GMT
I had never heard of it until a friend mentioned it so I did a google search. Apparently it's giving birth totally unassisted, just the mom and someone to catch the baby. No midwife, doctor, or doula. It seems incredibly risky to me, especially the ones that have freebirths after a previous C-section.
I read many comments saying that the more people you have in the room, the longer your labor will be because extra people cause your body to become stressed. I hate to tell them but I had a 24+ hour labor and only my husband and 2 medical professionals were there.
Thoughts? Experiences?
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Post by librarylady on Feb 20, 2017 15:10:24 GMT
That method worked for centuries, but I would feel too risky doing it.
People have always known childbirth can go badly, but had no choice. In today's world, we have choices, and I would not take a chance on ending my life or the life of my baby.
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Post by mom on Feb 20, 2017 15:16:07 GMT
While this may have been something others have done for years - I would not do it. Its far too risky. I believe you can have the necessary people in the room and NOT have a crowd. This is one of those areas in life that we, as humans, have progressed in, and there is no need to go back to caveman experiences just because you can. The risks will out weigh the rewards.
As a volunteer for the March of Dimes I spend my time educating immigrant woman on how important prenatal care for mom and baby is so important. So of these women literally 'squat' and have the baby in their backyard. No doctors. No nurses. No hospitals. It's just not safe.
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Post by katiejane on Feb 20, 2017 15:23:50 GMT
I think that giving birth has become more of a medical procedure than is always needed. I think is sad that shortages of midwives has meant that homebirths happen less and less here. I would of loved a homebirths, but I had a tricky time first time so I wasn't allowed. But with my hospital births I was left alone with my partner for most of the labour and only had two midwives in the room for the actual delivery. But all my labour's slowed down as soon as I got to hospital so I get that being more relaxed in a less medical environment can be good. But giving birth with no assistance I think is a bad idea, it's good to have a clear head with medical training in the room.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 20, 2017 15:26:43 GMT
Not a chance in hell. How would the "baby catcher" have any idea if something was going horribly wrong?
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Post by myshelly on Feb 20, 2017 15:30:40 GMT
Medical births have become ridiculous.
Freebirths are a response to that.
Birth rape is a real issue. Doctors and nurses feeling like they do not need informed consent from a woman just because she is in labor is a real issue. The attitude of hospitals toward birthing women is a real issue.
These issues have become ingrained in our society and the way we think and talk about childbirth (how many times have you heads a woman say "my doctor wouldn't let me" or "the hospital wouldn't allow").
Freebirth is desperate and extreme, but the origin of the movement - a reaction against how controlling and demoralizing medical births have become - is something I understand and can get behind.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 20, 2017 15:41:41 GMT
Nope. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't ever go that route or advocate for my daughter to. My sisters and I are all living proof that things can go sideways in all kinds of directions when it comes to childbirth. Even though I was older when I had my DD, my pregnancy was fairly routine and normal. However, after being in labor for 30 hours and actively pushing for over two, it became clear I was going to have to have a c-section to get her out. The kid had a huge head, LOL, and no amount of pushing was going to work, period. It was seriously one of the worst experiences of my life. One of my sisters had two of her three by c-section and the first one probably should have been too. She also got very sick and almost died after she had kid #2, and the kid could have died too because the cord was wrapped around her neck. Kid #3 was breech. My other sister had all of hers vaginally but she too should have had all three via c-section for the same reason I did. Her kids were all big with big heads and two of them had to be pulled out with forceps.
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Post by cade387 on Feb 20, 2017 15:42:01 GMT
I can't fathom having to see a doctor who wasn't on the same page as me for birth. I understand that limitations on insurance options is probably to blame for some of this as well. Sad that is has to swing so far backwards.
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Post by iowgirl on Feb 20, 2017 15:46:15 GMT
Birth rape is a real issue. What? That's a new one. I do think, in general, people do whatever the doctor says. I don't. I know the word forceps came up during one of my kids' birth from a nurse. DH said NO immediately, and the doc said OK - we won't use them.... And all was good. I have also questioned Xrays and antibiotics with doctors. Sometimes we went ahead, and sometimes we didn't. I am always astonished when people just go along and do whatever the doctor says, no questions asked. The local dentist is getting a little Xray happy now too.
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Post by bigbundt on Feb 20, 2017 15:47:07 GMT
No way would I have done it voluntarily. I had two hospital births and they were quick, 8 hours and 4 hours from start to finish. I also felt incredibly supported and empowered by my nurses and doctors, they informed me of my options but I made the choices. Fortunately everything went good with both of them but if things had gone south, I would have given my trust and body over to medical professionals. I didn't have an expectation of a "perfect birth" or even a birth plan, I didn't feel like I had to be 100% in control 100% of the time in order to have a great birth experience. It just isn't possible in any birth, whether assisted or alone.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 20, 2017 17:42:19 GMT
I was a footling breech. My foot slipped out when my mom was at about a 5, cord got pinched. Full-on emergency, nurses pushing from above, dr pulling from below. Blue & CPR upon birth. Without oxygen for 5 minutes. Should have died, or had brain damage. Took my Mom almost 10 years to work up courage to have my sister. They scheduled her c-section at her first ob appt due to emotional trauma from my birth.
Two of mine may not have made it if born at home.
Plus I really liked the epidurals lol
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 20, 2017 17:52:51 GMT
I hadn't heard of it until this thread.
I'm finished having children now, but I would never have attempted it when I was having babies. I feel that it is a privilege to have the medical personnel and equipment at my disposal while birthing.
I mean, gosh, they used to amputate limbs without *modern medical intervention, but it surely doesn't mean that that's the way I would want it done nowadays.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 20, 2017 17:58:59 GMT
I hadn't heard of it until this thread. I'm finished having children now, but I would never have attempted it when I was having babies. I feel that it is a privilege to have the medical personnel and equipment at my disposal while birthing. I mean, gosh, they used to amputate limbs without medical intervention, but it surely doesn't mean that that's the way I would want it done nowadays. I think the comparison is not that simple. Amputation is clearly a medical issue. Whereas childbirth and gynecology are intertwined with the issues of women's rights. The history of childbirth and gynecology are linked to how women have been treated and viewed in our society. And at times childbirth and gynecology have been used to systematically disempower women. They have been tools for men to wield power over unconsenting women. Issues of childbirth will never be so black and white because they will always be politically charged.
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Post by perumbula on Feb 20, 2017 18:33:00 GMT
Having babies is clearly a medical issue. While it's true that there are doctors and hospitals that intervene far too much and make a bad habit of performing procedures without consent, freebirth is way too much the other direction. Yes, women have been having babies since the dawn of time. It doesn't mean the survived the experience or their babies did either. Death in childbirth was much more common.
I think the best response to over interfering medical professionals is to interview thoroughly before you choose your doctor or midwife. You can tour birthing facilities and ask for a copy of all documents patients are asked to sign ahead of time. Talk to your friends about their experience and find someone compatible with the amount of intervention you want.
Our society as a whole is way too fond of treating decisions like a pendulum. Just because you don't want A doesn't mean you need to choose the extreme exact opposite of A.
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Post by Grom Pea on Feb 20, 2017 18:35:31 GMT
I would never do it and had I tried my ds would have died and I would have died, the cord was wrapped around his neck twice and I had a huge hemorrhage several hours later where I lost like 1.5 or 2 liters of blood, they literally had to weigh the sheets to determine how much I had lost. So no thank you to home birth even with a doula for me. Plus I like the epidural, I'm too much of a wimp to go without, I even got tired pushing with one, I can't imagine if I had been exhausted with contractions for hours beforehand.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 20, 2017 18:39:32 GMT
Over my dead (and very much younger) body.
Way too many unplanned C-sections and other birthing emergencies in my family to ever go that way.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 20, 2017 18:43:14 GMT
Sure, I'll tell you my thoughts. My son weighed 10 1/2 lbs when he was born (I'm not diabetic). My first child. I labored 8 hours, include two pushing, and he hadn't even dropped into the birth canal. The only thing free birth would have offered me was a quick death for me and my child. I ended up with an emergency c-section and delivered a healthy baby boy.
Infant and maternal mortality rate in civilized countries has gone down over the past 100 years for a reason. Why anyone would want to take a risk like that with the life of their child, or their own, escapes me.
ETA: And in response to the comments about "birth rape" and etc -- Interview doctors and find a group that is on the same page as you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:46:17 GMT
If I were a "free birth" I would not be alive today. In fact, in the hospital, I was given last rites because they didn't think I'd live very long. I fooled them!
My mom just recently told me a story about her birth. I think she had told me about it before, but I'd forgotten it. I had asked her if she was born in New York City, because an article on Ancestry.com said so. She said, no. She was born at home...my childhood home...during a blizzard. The doctor (made house calls back then) almost didn't make it in time. Although he did have a car, he had to come by horse and buggy! So she was home birthed, but had a medical doctor there.
My sister had a homebirth, more recently. But she had a midwife and a good friend of the family who was a PA.
My other sister would have died along with her daughter if she weren't in a hospital.
I understand the high costs of birth would make some families want to go this route. But you never know, and the chance of something going wrong is just too high. Fine, you don't want to pay a hospital/doctors/etc, have a home birth. But please have someone present who would know what to do in case of emergency!
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Post by freebird on Feb 20, 2017 18:46:49 GMT
yeah, women did it for thousands of years on their own.
Oh and completely "unrelated" women and children died in childbirth at alarming rates for thousands of years too. gee.
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Post by Tamhugh on Feb 20, 2017 18:47:04 GMT
Birth #1, high risk due to hyperemesis (sp?), 24 hour labor and hemorrhaging in the delivery room. I was in recovery for 8 hours until they got the bleeding stopped. DH kept saying, "the birthing classes said it wouldn't be very bloody."
Birth #2, spent the first 2 1/2 months in high risk ob with a central line due to hyperemesis again. Easyish delivery, but DS swallowed meconium.
I am forever grateful for my medical care. My doctors always listened to my input, but in the end, they made the decisions that were best for my babies and me. I chose them because I trusted them.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 20, 2017 19:08:04 GMT
Birth Rape? Women and babies died at alarming rates not so long ago. We have come a long way so I definitely would not want to go backwards. I think it's similar to the issues with vaccines. People do not remember how horrible deseases like polio and others were so they sometimes don't realize how many lives are saved by vaccines.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 20, 2017 19:09:29 GMT
I'd never heard of Freebirths. My thoughts, after a quick google search, are confirmed that it is a really, really small percent (1/6th of 1%) of women that are choosing this option. I agree with myshelly that it is an extreme response to the negative aspects of medical births. DH came close to delivering our second child on his own, as did my sister and her partner with their third child. For as many women that have extended labors that end in a Csection, there are some of us at the other end of the scale that have quick deliveries that fortunately go very smoothly. I still remember the look of horror on DH's face when I said a few minutes after delivering DD that I could do that again. I might have been on an adrenaline/hormal high and he was still trying to process what had just happened. I wouldn't choose a freebirth, or encourage anyone I know to go with this option. I would choose a homebirth and work with a doula and midwife if I had a third child.
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Post by jmd74 on Feb 20, 2017 19:16:07 GMT
My thoughts are pretty much the same as most of you. I worry about the women and the babies because most of the freebirth people also refuse any pre and post natal care.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 20, 2017 19:20:22 GMT
Sounds pretty dumb to me. But I am in the camp of 'give me my epidural' and professional doctors around me. Right or wrong, that's the way I like it. I don't want to be home, I don't want to be anywhere else except a hospital.. But I am past that stage in my life I don't have to worry about it anymore. Edited to add, in response doctors and/or nurses going against your will or 'birth rape'... that did not happen at any of my births.. 21 years ago, 20 years ago or 8 years ago. I LOVED my doctors (all three were different that delivered my babies) and never once did we have any problems with them. My most difficult birth was my first and there were complications and I believe the doctor was professional and even though my son had a hard time popping into this world, my doctor did a great job.
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Post by jmd74 on Feb 20, 2017 19:23:06 GMT
I had both of my children in a military hospital in Germany. I wasn't given a choice of doctors, just whoever was available. It was fine with me but I can see how some people would object to that.
I also had no birth plan, didn't delay cord clamping, gave the baby vitamin K, didn't breastfeed, didn't save the placenta, and begged for an epidural. I did things all wrong apparently. 😛
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 20, 2017 19:31:39 GMT
I had both of my children in a military hospital in Germany. I wasn't given a choice of doctors, just whoever was available. It was fine with me but I can see how some people would object to that. I also had no birth plan, didn't delay cord clamping, gave the baby vitamin K, didn't breastfeed, didn't save the placenta, and begged for an epidural. I did things all wrong apparently. 😛 And your kids are fine today, right? I can say the same thing.. except the military part.. I didn't do any of those things and I always had healthy kids. In fact, probably more healthy than 75% of them.. No allergies, they are never sick except maybe a cold or flu once in a blue moon. All I can say is that they all had to have dental work.. lol... and I am 100% sure that had nothing to do with their births. Bad teeth genes..lol
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Post by Zee on Feb 20, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
I think I'm just more comfortable in a medical setting, because I'm a nurse. I have no interest in doing it on my own without a doctor. Of course, it's no longer an issue for me, but I'd be very distressed if my DD chose this route with no medical care whatsoever.
I have never had an OB/GYN that didn't respect my thoughts, rights, and opinions, so "birth rape" is not something I ever had concern about.
I felt more able to be calm about the whole thing knowing there were trained professionals available if anything should go wrong. I don't think I could relax enough for a home birth, though it works for many people. My sister went that route with her second child and the birth was fine though there were later complications with the baby. Fortunately she had midwives and they caught the issue during their checkup visit (and honestly, she might have been discharged to home anyway by that point).
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Post by Gravity on Feb 20, 2017 19:37:42 GMT
I am a neonatal ICU RN. Enough said.
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Post by Peal on Feb 20, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
I could do it. But I don't want to. If DH hadn't blown through all the red lights and the guard gate on base, DS #2 would have been a car birth. As it was he was born 20 minutes after I arrived on the maternity ward. And I didn't stick it out at home laboring. We left at the first contraction. All my pregnancies and births were easy and uncomplicated. And very fast.
I liked the idea of having trained professionals involved. I found delivery stressful enough without having to worry that my "catcher" would now what to do if the baby wasn't breathing or if I started to hemorrage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:46:27 GMT
Gravity, my DD is a NICU RN, also. We have discussed different plans for giving birth and she DEFINITELY said only in a hospital and one with a highly ranked NICU.... which is what she did 4 months ago with no complications. Fortunately, My DIL also chose a hospital with a highly ranked NICU as my DGS had unexpected issues at birth and could not breath on his own. A mucus plug blocked his airway and he turned blue & lifeless immediately after birth. The doctors figured it out right away and he spent a few days in the NICU and now is a perfect, healthy 2 year old. Might have had a different outcome if he had been born at home.
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