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Post by prapea on Feb 25, 2017 14:52:34 GMT
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Post by terri on Feb 25, 2017 15:00:02 GMT
Just heartbreaking. 😥
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Post by candygurl on Feb 25, 2017 15:03:41 GMT
This is scary and sad and heartbreaking
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Post by prapea on Feb 25, 2017 15:05:46 GMT
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Post by elaine on Feb 25, 2017 15:40:08 GMT
I am so sad about the state of our country right now. Right now we are in the process of "Make America HATE Again." These will be recorded as very dark days in our history.
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Post by gar on Feb 25, 2017 15:41:52 GMT
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Post by purplebee on Feb 25, 2017 15:44:03 GMT
I was sickened to read about this earlier this week. Hugs to you. I am afraid for the future of this country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 16:52:58 GMT
It's heartbreaking, it really is.  I just find it really really difficult to understand why anyone would do this. How can someone have so much hate in their head that someone else's life is so disposable to them. |
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Post by casii on Feb 25, 2017 17:06:17 GMT
This event breaks my heart.
Another thread that I wish we could label "Human Rights" because tragedies like this my have been triggered by a hateful political platform, but the core issue is human rights.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 25, 2017 17:07:38 GMT
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Post by Anita on Feb 25, 2017 17:20:50 GMT
These men worked in my building, and were shot in a family place that many of us frequent. It was just stunning and horrific. There were vigils at work that were so well attended they had to televise it campus-wide because not everyone would fit. Just know as a community, this sickens us as well. It feels like the world has gone crazy.
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Post by prapea on Feb 25, 2017 17:39:08 GMT
These men worked in my building, and were shot in a family place that many of us frequent. It was just stunning and horrific. There were vigils at work that were so well attended they had to televise it campus-wide because not everyone would fit. Just know as a community, this sickens us as well. It feels like the world has gone crazy. It must be worse to be so close to the incident. Sisters of Ian started a go gunf me for his medical bills and taised entire 300k in less than 3 days I believe and it was heartening to see the support yhe community is getting. I don't want to be afraid and ad of this second I am not scared. I don't want to tell my 10 year okd that we have to fear our own country. I refuse. |
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 25, 2017 17:41:55 GMT
I know people don't like when you compare what is happening now to what happened in Germany. But when I was a teenager(1970's) I lived in Germany. I was exposed to a lot of what had happened in Germany during WWII. Our American classes were taught a lot of the history of WWWII. We had a lot of field trips to the places where things actually happened. I often wondered how the Germany people let this happen. Were they good people who just did nothing and then it was too late? But the everyday Germany People did not like to discuss this time in their history. I would ask them. All that they would say is that we had no choice or that they did not know what was happening. But I had seen the films taken during that time of the people cheering and of the crowds. I saw the hate! I did not believe them.
I think the Germany people believed what Hitler was saying and they believed that the Jews were bad. Did they at first believe that the Jews would be killed? I don't know, but they did know how they were being treated.
I see the same hate and the same cheering of people right here and right now. Now I really don't believe that what happened to the Jews could happen here, but I don't thing the Germany people thought it could happen there.
I don't know just some of my thoughts...... I have a really bad feeling of what is happening to our country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
I know people don't like when you compare what is happening now to what happened in Germany. But when I was a teenager(1970's) I lived in Germany. I was exposed to a lot of what had happened in Germany during WWII. Our American classes were taught a lot of the history of WWWII. We had a lot of field trips to the places where things actually happened. I often wondered how the Germany people let this happen. Were they good people who just did nothing and then it was too late? But the everyday Germany People did not like to discuss this time in their history. I would ask them. All that they would say is that we had no choice or that they did not know what was happening. But I had seen the films taken during that time of the people cheering and of the crowds. I saw the hate! I did not believe them. I think the Germany people believed what Hitler was saying and they believed that the Jews were bad. Did they at first believe that the Jews would be killed? I don't know, but they did know how they were being treated. I see the same hate and the same cheering of people right here and right now. Now I really don't believe that what happened to the Jews could happen here, but I don't thing the Germany people thought it could happen there. I don't know just some of my thoughts...... I have a really bad feeling of what is happening to our country. The part I have bolded has a lot of how it actually started. Germany was in quite a dire state after WW1 both financially and with high unemployment. One needs to go back much further than 1939 and WW2 to plot the rise of Hitler and his followers. What's happening now in the US is very similar. Hitler came along as a fairly " new" politician with all the answers that the poor Germany wanted to hear. He was going to " make Germany Great" again. Jobs for all Germans...look after our own in other words and everyone outside that circle was a threat. The Germans were looking desperately for hope and they listened and believed that this man was going to help them. Similar to what a certain portion of the American people were looking for from Trump. Under this disguise of giving them hope Hitlers agenda was to rule with all the power and create a " perfect" country in his eyes. His particular hatred of the Jews was he was fixtated by this ideaology that Jews were biologically and racially distinct and that there was a kind of biological struggle for dominance over the entire human race between the Jews and everybody else. In his mind they were a threat to his power.But the Jews were not the only threat to his power. No, I don't believe that most ordinary Germans knew what his ultimate goal was but were carried along with it until they went too far down that path and then realized what was happening.Don't forget many of these internment camps were unknown to the ordinary people at the beginning of his rise to power. Propaganda was rife and the media were restricted on what they were allowed to report..... sounds familiar? By the time they did know it was too late because if they spoke out, they would end up with the same fate and very many did. That end became a reality to many that tried to speak out. I don't think that Trump would go round killing people that disagreed with him but he's already shown how vindictive he can be to anyone that questions him or says anything negative about him.He's also surrounded himself with like minded people so there's no one to question his authority. I also think that there was a proportion of people that thought it wasn't going to happen in Germany. A bit like some in the US feel now......can't happen here kind of thinking with a certain amount of arrogance thrown into the pot. Well yes, it can if one choose to ignore it. Nationalism as an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries is the same now as it was then. |
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Post by jenis40 on Feb 25, 2017 19:19:08 GMT
I know people don't like when you compare what is happening now to what happened in Germany. But when I was a teenager(1970's) I lived in Germany. I was exposed to a lot of what had happened in Germany during WWII. Our American classes were taught a lot of the history of WWWII. We had a lot of field trips to the places where things actually happened. I often wondered how the Germany people let this happen. Were they good people who just did nothing and then it was too late? But the everyday Germany People did not like to discuss this time in their history. I would ask them. All that they would say is that we had no choice or that they did not know what was happening. But I had seen the films taken during that time of the people cheering and of the crowds. I saw the hate! I did not believe them. I think the Germany people believed what Hitler was saying and they believed that the Jews were bad. Did they at first believe that the Jews would be killed? I don't know, but they did know how they were being treated. I see the same hate and the same cheering of people right here and right now. Now I really don't believe that what happened to the Jews could happen here, but I don't thing the Germany people thought it could happen there. I don't know just some of my thoughts...... I have a really bad feeling of what is happening to our country. I know more recently that Germany has made an effort to open up about the rise of Nazism and the Holocaust. It is extensively taught in the schools with frequent field trips to holocaust sites, etc. I can see understand the reticence to speak about the extremely shameful period of their history. I think Americans are similar with regards to our shameful past like slavery, the Native American genocide, Japanese internment camps and Jim Crow. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 26, 2017 0:07:40 GMT
I am sick about this incident, too. So sorry you have to speak to your daughter about it. This is just more of the implicit permission Trump has given his followers to behave badly. Nothing explicit that could directly get him in trouble. He encourages this crap and then he says, "I know nossing!" (That's a Hogan's Heroes reference, for you youngsters.) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 0:43:12 GMT
This breaks my heart, has our President spoken about this?
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 26, 2017 0:54:08 GMT
Oh how awful, I hadn't heard about this incident before now.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 26, 2017 1:15:08 GMT
I know people don't like when you compare what is happening now to what happened in Germany. But when I was a teenager(1970's) I lived in Germany. I was exposed to a lot of what had happened in Germany during WWII. Our American classes were taught a lot of the history of WWWII. We had a lot of field trips to the places where things actually happened. I often wondered how the Germany people let this happen. Were they good people who just did nothing and then it was too late? But the everyday Germany People did not like to discuss this time in their history. I would ask them. All that they would say is that we had no choice or that they did not know what was happening. But I had seen the films taken during that time of the people cheering and of the crowds. I saw the hate! I did not believe them. I think the Germany people believed what Hitler was saying and they believed that the Jews were bad. Did they at first believe that the Jews would be killed? I don't know, but they did know how they were being treated. I see the same hate and the same cheering of people right here and right now. Now I really don't believe that what happened to the Jews could happen here, but I don't thing the Germany people thought it could happen there. I don't know just some of my thoughts...... I have a really bad feeling of what is happening to our country. I know more recently that Germany has made an effort to open up about the rise of Nazism and the Holocaust. It is extensively taught in the schools with frequent field trips to holocaust sites, etc. I can see understand the reticence to speak about the extremely shameful period of their history. I think Americans are similar with regards to our shameful past like slavery, the Native American genocide, Japanese internment camps and Jim Crow. Not so shameful that we won't continue to break treaties with the Natuve Americans apparently |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 26, 2017 2:10:23 GMT
While not to the extent of this fatal violence, this brings to mind George Takei (Star Trek fame) and some awful comments I read online (facebook?). He had made a statement that he hoped DJT would reign in the nuclear weapons and whay and mentioned that it had killed some of his family (extended- back in Japan). Any way the comments were like "serves you right for Pearl Harbor" and "you should have been there for bombing" etc. The absurd part was that these brave behind-the-screen-word-warriors were saying this to a man who spent a good chunk of his childhood in the Japanese internment camps. His family lived in California, were American citizens and he grew up in San Francisco. I just don't understand the uninformed vileness some are quick to spew. I wouldn't have even read this if a "friend" hadn't made one of those vile comments. Thanks, "friend". People have lost their damn minds. from the article: Reuters U.S. News ✔ @reutersus JUST IN: White House, speaking about Kansas shooting, says any loss of life is tragic but absurd to link to president's rhetoric1:14 PM - 24 Feb 2017 yeah, right, Mr President. Everything you say and tweet is ever so helpful. Your good.   Sleep tite. |
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Post by jayfab on Feb 26, 2017 2:35:11 GMT
My heart is breaking for the families involved. My heart breaks for my country. How can we stop this insanity?
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Post by prapea on Feb 26, 2017 4:32:24 GMT
This breaks my heart, has our President spoken about this? Nope he hasn't. He is too darn busy with Twitter and cpac and telling the world we have better "nukes". ETA: looks like I was wrong. WH said eff off . I mean they said it's absurd to correlate his remarks with the shooting. |
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Post by miominmio on Feb 26, 2017 10:35:01 GMT
I know people don't like when you compare what is happening now to what happened in Germany. But when I was a teenager(1970's) I lived in Germany. I was exposed to a lot of what had happened in Germany during WWII. Our American classes were taught a lot of the history of WWWII. We had a lot of field trips to the places where things actually happened. I often wondered how the Germany people let this happen. Were they good people who just did nothing and then it was too late? But the everyday Germany People did not like to discuss this time in their history. I would ask them. All that they would say is that we had no choice or that they did not know what was happening. But I had seen the films taken during that time of the people cheering and of the crowds. I saw the hate! I did not believe them. I think the Germany people believed what Hitler was saying and they believed that the Jews were bad. Did they at first believe that the Jews would be killed? I don't know, but they did know how they were being treated. I see the same hate and the same cheering of people right here and right now. Now I really don't believe that what happened to the Jews could happen here, but I don't thing the Germany people thought it could happen there. I don't know just some of my thoughts...... I have a really bad feeling of what is happening to our country. Europe has a looong history of anti-semitism. It goes back hundred and hundreds of years, so blaming the Jews has always resonated with a large portion of the populace. Not necessarily on the level of wanting to exterminate them, but the hatred towards the Jews has been there for a very long time. When the Final Solution was set in place, the Germans had been living under Nazi rule for many years. The newspapers wrote only what the Nazis wanted, so the people were brainwashed. When my country was invaded, German soldiers were shocked that they weren't greeted by cheering crowds, they had been told the Norwegians would be happy when they arrived "to save us from English aggression". Hitler was very good at using existing predjudices to serve his own agenda. He got rid of the Conservatives (who thought they could control him). He played on people's hopes and fears. He was able to control the media (admittedly, easier in the pre-internet days). He created enemies where there were none. And then he set the world on fire. Yes, your president terrifies me. |
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Post by tincin on Feb 26, 2017 14:06:13 GMT
I agree, it is pure discrimination to pull people off the street and harass them, demanding identification or proof of citizenship because they aren't white. Pure bullshit. miominmio He terrifies a lot of us. But then again so do his defenders who still see nothing wrong with this behavior. SaveSave |
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I just find it really really difficult to understand why anyone would do this. How can someone have so much hate in their head that someone else's life is so disposable to them.
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