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Post by paperaddict on Apr 12, 2017 21:20:34 GMT
I am been told that I "suck" on a papercrafter's YouTube comment section because I asked which products in her "haul" was sent to her for free and which she actually bought. She replied that the ones indicated with asterisks on her blog were sent to her but there are none and there has been none in previous blog posts and YouTube videos even though she states in her interview that items were sent to her. She also stated that she uses 3rd party for her blog and if the asterisks are not there then she would have to do it manually and nobody, except me, have been concern about this so she does not plan to change her disclosure process. Do you care about accurate disclosure when you watch YouTube videos or read someone's blog?
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Post by cbet on Apr 12, 2017 21:27:44 GMT
Yes, I absolutely do. I feel that it's easier for people to love new items when they didn't pay for them themselves, so I don't take reviews of items that were given to the reviewer as seriously as if the reviewer purchased it themselves.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 12, 2017 23:02:45 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. I saw that comment. Just the fan base protecting their YT celebrity. I assume most big YT crafters are getting a shit ton of free stuff and I keep that in mind when I watch them craft. Like Jennifer McGuire says, this is her job and there are perks that go along with that. The biggest being free product.
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Post by LisaDV on Apr 12, 2017 23:34:52 GMT
I think if someone doesn't do what they say, then I wouldn't want to watch/follow them. If you say you'll have asterisks, have them.
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Post by mom on Apr 12, 2017 23:38:31 GMT
I am been told that I "suck" on a papercrafter's YouTube comment section because I asked which products in her "haul" was sent to her for free and which she actually bought. She replied that the ones indicated with asterisks on her blog were sent to her but there are none and there has been none in previous blog posts and YouTube videos even though she states in her interview that items were sent to her. She also stated that she uses 3rd party for her blog and if the asterisks are not there then she would have to do it manually and nobody, except me, have been concern about this so she does not plan to change her disclosure process. Do you care about accurate disclosure when you watch YouTube videos or read someone's blog? What does that mean? In any case, I assume all products are given to them unless they specifically say they aren't. SaveSave |
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Post by gale w on Apr 13, 2017 0:02:46 GMT
With most things I won't even acknowledge a review if the person got it for free or at a discount. However, with craft items, if the video clearly shows how they're used during the review and how well it works, I will buy based on the review. If they're just saying they like it and not showing it in use, then I ignore it. So whether they disclose that information depends on the video and what is shown in it.
But I think they should all tell people clearly, without us having to search or jump through hoops or ask, if they got it for free or at a discount.
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Post by riversong1963 on Apr 13, 2017 0:03:20 GMT
I believe that, by law, they have to disclose this information. It does matter to me, because I think that it sometimes colors a review or opinion. As a previous poster said, I assume that the products they are using were given to them, unless they say otherwise.
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Post by coloradocropper on Apr 13, 2017 0:11:43 GMT
I don't care really. I'm a hard sell so I pretty much have to try it out myself before I buy. I appreciate the creative content the most.
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Post by gale w on Apr 13, 2017 0:23:44 GMT
There aren't any b&m scrap/stamp stores here so I can't try before I buy. Even when there were I'm not sure they offered that feature.
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Post by paperaddict on Apr 13, 2017 0:44:02 GMT
Thanks lisacharlotte. It was the first time I ever commented on someone's YouTube channel...people can be very protective of their YT celebrities. I like to know what other crafters are buying with their hard-earned money.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Apr 13, 2017 1:20:31 GMT
In my mind anyone 'reviewing' something they were given is probably actually advertising it. I usually watch YT videos to see the demos. For actual reviews I come here.
BTW Paperaddict, you don't suck. That was a perfectly legitimate question. If some one gave me such a rude answer they'd have one less follower. I checked on the FTC.gov site and this is what I found:
The FTC is only concerned about endorsements that are made on behalf of a sponsoring advertiser. For example, an endorsement would be covered by the FTC Act if an advertiser – or someone working for an advertiser – pays you or gives you something of value to mention a product. If you receive free products or other perks with the expectation that you’ll promote or discuss the advertiser’s products in your blog, you’re covered. Bloggers who are part of network marketing programs where they sign up to receive free product samples in exchange for writing about them also are covered.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 1:45:00 GMT
In my mind anyone 'reviewing' something they were given is probably actually advertising it. I usually watch YT videos to see the demos. For actual reviews I come here. BTW Paperaddict, you don't suck. That was a perfectly legitimate question. If some one gave me such a rude answer they'd have one less follower. I checked on the FTC.gov site and this is what I found :The FTC is only concerned about endorsements that are made on behalf of a sponsoring advertiser. For example, an endorsement would be covered by the FTC Act if an advertiser – or someone working for an advertiser – pays you or gives you something of value to mention a product. If you receive free products or other perks with the expectation that you’ll promote or discuss the advertiser’s products in your blog, you’re covered. Bloggers who are part of network marketing programs where they sign up to receive free product samples in exchange for writing about them also are covered. That again!!! You do not suck. Totally legit question! Whoever responded (was it the YT'er or just another commenter?) is the one w/a sucky attitude. |
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Post by Peamac on Apr 13, 2017 3:04:37 GMT
I am been told that I "suck" on a papercrafter's YouTube comment section because I asked which products in her "haul" was sent to her for free and which she actually bought. She replied that the ones indicated with asterisks on her blog were sent to her but there are none and there has been none in previous blog posts and YouTube videos even though she states in her interview that items were sent to her. She also stated that she uses 3rd party for her blog and if the asterisks are not there then she would have to do it manually and nobody, except me, have been concern about this so she does not plan to change her disclosure process. Do you care about accurate disclosure when you watch YouTube videos or read someone's blog? What does that mean? In any case, I assume all products are given to them unless they specifically say they aren't. SaveSaveIt could mean that she has someone else write her blog. I do tasks for an online virtual assistant-type of thing, and there's someone on there who pays people to write blog posts for her paper crafting blog. |
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Post by mom on Apr 13, 2017 4:27:13 GMT
What does that mean? In any case, I assume all products are given to them unless they specifically say they aren't. SaveSaveIt could mean that she has someone else write her blog. I do tasks for an online virtual assistant-type of thing, and there's someone on there who pays people to write blog posts for her paper crafting blog. I had no idea that was done! |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Apr 13, 2017 5:30:28 GMT
It could mean that she has someone else write her blog. I do tasks for an online virtual assistant-type of thing, and there's someone on there who pays people to write blog posts for her paper crafting blog. I had no idea that was done! Sad, isn't it? But we shouldn't be that surprised, really. We all know the names behind paper lines (AC homogeneity anybody?) "work with designers"  to "finalize... tidy up... put their stamp on..." The product, right? When you get big enough and you are no longer engaged and thrilled by your hobby which has become your income, you get to phone it in. Sometimes it shows. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 7:04:11 GMT
paperaddict You don't suck. That was a mean thing to say and somebody should be very ashamed of herself. If I was the author of the channel somebody would be get a chastising on air. Yes, I want the disclosure. I do not watch a lot of videos from YT who receive their products free. I think it can be very biased. This is also why I don't follow Design Team blogs. You Tube is the new infomercials. There are YT that are affiliated I will watch because they have had extensive training in the product they are using. Like a die cutter for example. In those instances you don't feel like your getting a hard sell but answers to your questions. I am like that for any YT video it doesn't have to be crafting. I am actually more critical about gaming. About the third party. I have a friend that designs cards for design team members blogs. The member is part of the design team pays my friend to make the card then they show it on their site claiming it is theirs. She actually makes a lot of money from it per month. She started off with one "DT" and now makes cards for several "Card DT's". Yes, I told her that is really messed up. I actually said effed up.  She said it is their money to throw away and I guess a lot of the card companies know the members are not that talented but want their name because they are a star. I swear when I got into the crafting industry I thought it was going to be all these sweet girls. It is more like a Real Housewives episodes and celebrity gossip sites. These ladies need to be on DListed, lol. I love it. It is very entertaining.
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Post by Peamac on Apr 13, 2017 11:08:40 GMT
mom and ScrapsontheRocks - It wasn't anyone famous, just a busy mom/"sales rep" for a paper crafting mlm company who needed help writing up a short blurb for the newest projects. When I looked at the work a previous person had done, it was just a short paragraph about the card, with the company photos and instructions following that. I never did those tasks even though I'm familiar with making cards and scrapbook pages, because I wasn't ever sure exactly what she needed (and I don't know how to add a blog post).
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Apr 13, 2017 11:36:55 GMT
mom and ScrapsontheRocks - It wasn't anyone famous, just a busy mom/"sales rep" for a paper crafting mlm company who needed help writing up a short blurb for the newest projects. When I looked at the work a previous person had done, it was just a short paragraph about the card, with the company photos and instructions following that. I never did those tasks even though I'm familiar with making cards and scrapbook pages, because I wasn't ever sure exactly what she needed (and I don't know how to add a blog post). Good to hear from you! In case I have offended, I would like to say there was no snark whatsoever directed at you, more power to you. Unless someone is riding your talented coat-tails, in which case dump them! My cynicism is driven by the frustrated confession of a Twitter friend (v famous & connected scrap icon of more than 12 years' standing) who knows stuff  that would curl your hair. A whole bunch of the "names" have very little to do with the designs that wind up on their papers etc; she knows about the talented up and comers who write the blogs too and it irks her. Scrap on! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 12:27:49 GMT
paperaddict , any updates? Hope people apologized, or at least added the disclosure info. "I don't know how to update a blog post" is a BS excuse. If you don't know, ask the person who does know to do it for you. I ask my web designer to update my page all the time.
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Post by Peamac on Apr 13, 2017 12:38:22 GMT
mom and ScrapsontheRocks - It wasn't anyone famous, just a busy mom/"sales rep" for a paper crafting mlm company who needed help writing up a short blurb for the newest projects. When I looked at the work a previous person had done, it was just a short paragraph about the card, with the company photos and instructions following that. I never did those tasks even though I'm familiar with making cards and scrapbook pages, because I wasn't ever sure exactly what she needed (and I don't know how to add a blog post). Good to hear from you! In case I have offended, I would like to say there was no snark whatsoever directed at you, more power to you. Unless someone is riding your talented coat-tails, in which case dump them! My cynicism is driven by the frustrated confession of a Twitter friend (v famous & connected scrap icon of more than 12 years' standing) who knows stuff that would curl your hair. A whole bunch of the "names" have very little to do with the designs that wind up on their papers etc; she knows about the talented up and comers who write the blogs too and it irks her. Scrap on! Oh, no worries- no offense taken! I always felt like I wouldn't be able to do a good enough job writing up a blog post, compared to other scrappy blogs I've read. Turns out she just needed a quick paragraph about the finished product. However, getting paid to make cards or layouts for someone- that could be fun! "But Dear, I NEED to go shopping and get the newest products- for work!"  Who knew that the papercrafting industry isn't as innocent as it appears to be?!?  |
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 13, 2017 13:52:35 GMT
paperaddict You don't suck. That was a mean thing to say and somebody should be very ashamed of herself. If I was the author of the channel somebody would be get a chastising on air. Yes, I want the disclosure. I do not watch a lot of videos from YT who receive their products free. I think it can be very biased. This is also why I don't follow Design Team blogs. You Tube is the new infomercials. There are YT that are affiliated I will watch because they have had extensive training in the product they are using. Like a die cutter for example. In those instances you don't feel like your getting a hard sell but answers to your questions. I am like that for any YT video it doesn't have to be crafting. I am actually more critical about gaming. About the third party. I have a friend that designs cards for design team members blogs. The member is part of the design team pays my friend to make the card then they show it on their site claiming it is theirs. She actually makes a lot of money from it per month. She started off with one "DT" and now makes cards for several "Card DT's". Yes, I told her that is really messed up. I actually said effed up. She said it is their money to throw away and I guess a lot of the card companies know the members are not that talented but want their name because they are a star. I swear when I got into the crafting industry I thought it was going to be all these sweet girls. It is more like a Real Housewives episodes and celebrity gossip sites. These ladies need to be on DListed, lol. I love it. It is very entertaining. This was a bit eye opening! Yes, I want to know what stuff is being promoted because it was free, because I feel pushing a product because it was free may taint their review. They may indeed love it, but how can I know whether or not it is because they really do love it, or if it is because they are obligated to promote it. It matters more to me if it is a tool as opposed to something like paper or embellishments. I can look at the paper and embellishments and decide whether or not I like the products, just based on my own taste in scrapping. A tool, especially a cutter, is not only a lot more of an expensive investment, but it may turn out to be crap if it was just promoted because it was free. A perfect example of why I feel disclosure is important is the MISTI. Real customers loved it till it cracked and the MISTI creator refused to back up her product. The customers who had spent their own money had reason to be upset over spending so much for a defective product. I can't help but wonder if those who are the almost rabid MISTI fans are defending it so fervently because they are obligated to if they want to keep getting free stuff. And it is inexcusable, paperaddict, for anyone to tell you that "You suck" for asking an honest question. That is not only rude, but it is ridiculous and unprofessional. |
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Post by scrappyesq on Apr 13, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
I am been told that I "suck" on a papercrafter's YouTube comment section because I asked which products in her "haul" was sent to her for free and which she actually bought. She replied that the ones indicated with asterisks on her blog were sent to her but there are none and there has been none in previous blog posts and YouTube videos even though she states in her interview that items were sent to her. She also stated that she uses 3rd party for her blog and if the asterisks are not there then she would have to do it manually and nobody, except me, have been concern about this so she does not plan to change her disclosure process. Do you care about accurate disclosure when you watch YouTube videos or read someone's blog?
Absolutely. Whoever told you that you suck can kick rocks. I don't watch videos that are dominated by products that are given to someone; I'm not just talking about scrappy videos either. I prefer to watch when its an honest review based on a person actually buying the product.
When Jen McGuire opened her Oxide inks video letting everyone know that she didn't get products for free I pulled up a chair to watch the whole 30 minutes.
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Post by paperaddict on Apr 13, 2017 17:55:29 GMT
No one apologized, Zingermack. I unfollowed her blog and YT channel.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 13, 2017 18:05:41 GMT
Yeah, paperaddict , you suck. Sucking out the truth from a well of foggy make-believe! Geez Louise, I've stopped watching hauls in general because of this type of issues, whether it's in the beauty, skincare or crafting community. Everybody fawns over products they find so useful and so well-made and so vibrant and so this and that until you get your hands on them and are less than impressed. Another generic thing in the mass of generic stuff to spend cash on. I definitely care about accurate disclosure. I definitely unfollow when I notice an "influencer" is too big a name to be putting their own pennies towards all the products and isn't disclosing the freebies. Especially when you know how much money an influencer can receive to feature the freebie. Certain makeup gurus feature a freebie in a video (amongst other products) for several tens of thousands of dollars (just to mention it, tell people how much they love it and how's it's one of their new faves) and the price goes up if said freebie isn't liked by the guru (brands pay an extra premium for the guru to show some extra acting skills AKA lie through their teeth). While the crafting community is not close to these financial reward standards, I'm still weary and one hell of a side-eyer. You were more than right to ask the question. Don't let the cheerleaders get to you. They're acting like teenagers trying hard to be liked by the queen bee in charge (not that I'm accusing said crafter of acting like a queen bee).  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 19:00:38 GMT
No one apologized, Zingermack. I unfollowed her blog and YT channel. Well that, dare I say it? SUCKS! |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Apr 14, 2017 5:11:18 GMT
I think by FTC rules they must disclose. I know there was a big drama filled situation in the makeup guru sphere. They must also disclose affiliate links. Jennifer McGuire always seems to disclose. I used to
check Amazon views and I no longer do. It seems those have a high
degree of reviews that are bought.
This is one reason I come to 2peas, to get honest feedback.
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Post by JaneB on Apr 14, 2017 6:03:56 GMT
When you upload a video on YouTube you have to check a box if content contains any paid promotional material, product placement etc.
This video contains paid promotion such as paid product placement, sponsorships or endorsement.
Free product to review isn't mentioned specifically, but I'd certainly mention it if I'd been given anything.
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Post by julieinsweden on Apr 14, 2017 6:30:58 GMT
No it doesn't bother me because I have always assumed that all the stuff they are using is free and essentially what you are watching is a commercial.
I'm sure that alot of "professional" bloggers and you tubers started doing it for fun to share themselves. But people want something in return for their time. And that comes in the former of free product.
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Post by ctpea on Apr 14, 2017 16:24:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:48:18 GMT
No it doesn't bother me because I have always assumed that all the stuff they are using is free and essentially what you are watching is a commercial. I'm sure that alot of "professional" bloggers and you tubers started doing it for fun to share themselves. But people want something in return for their time. And that comes in the former of free product. That's the key though. TONS of youtubers do reviews for fun on items they've purchased themselves. So, they're presumed to be more honest based on having laid out cold hard cash for items. When you get something for free, if it's crappy, you're not going to say that - you might not make a video at all, but you're not going to make a video that says "SSS sent me this $30 tool for free and boy does it suck!" So, the idea is that the ones paying themselves will be more honest about downsides. And yes, I DO want to know - for that very reason. |
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to "finalize... tidy up... put their stamp on..." The product, right? When you get big enough and you are no longer engaged and thrilled by your hobby which has become your income, you get to phone it in. Sometimes it shows. 
She said it is their money to throw away and I guess a lot of the card companies know the members are not that talented but want their name because they are a star.
