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Post by fkawitchypea on May 12, 2017 1:32:12 GMT
DS is 13 and in 8th grade. This year has been an explosion of socializing. Mostly sporting events at school, but also parties (mostly birthday parties), movies, trampoline park, it goes on and on. He has never received an allowance and I just fork over some cash when needed and he does odd jobs for me and his grandparents to earn extra.
Now it just seems like it's a constant request for money. $10 here and there to go to a game for entrance fee and snacks, $20 for a movie on a Friday night, kids always in my house so I'm spending money on snacks, pizzas, etc. On top of the fact that I have to provide rides. Luckily, he has a friend group with great parents so we do share in the transportation and usually I end up driving one way.
I am at the point where I want to set a reasonable allowance. He clearly is too young to get a job. But I want him to start learning to budget his money. There is no reason why he needs to be given money every night of the week. (He stays after school every day for sports and then stays to watch a game).
Any advice would be appreciated!
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Post by melanell on May 12, 2017 1:37:16 GMT
My 8th grader gets an allowance exactly for the reason you mentioned---to start learning to budget & handle money. He saved quite a bit for a recent class trip and I was impressed that he opted not to take all of it with him, and even more impressed when he brought half of it back home again. So knowing that it's his money that he's spending definitely seems to slow him down and make him think about his purchases. For us, the rules are that if he decides to buy something for himself, even just little impulse purchases like a candy bar while we're grocery shopping--that's on him. Because that's exactly the kind of thing that can trip you up with money, you know, spending a "little" amount over and over again. If he wants to go to a dance (not a formal, but just your run of the mill monthly dance), he pays the admission and he brings his own money for food & drinks while he is there. Now there are still times when we take him to the movies and we tell him he can invite someone---and we foot the bill. But if he wants to go to the movies every darn weekend with friends, he can bring his own cash to cover that. Save
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Post by 950nancy on May 12, 2017 1:38:29 GMT
My boys started mowing lawns for the neighbors when they were 8 and 10. By the time they were your son's age, the each had 7-10 lawns to mow and made $200+ per week. They mowed May though October and made more than enough money for spending money. When my youngest graduated, he had about 15k in his savings (he was the saver).
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Post by brina on May 12, 2017 1:42:24 GMT
my kids get an allowance. Kids at my house - yes, I supply the snacks. A movie with friends, that needs to come out of their own funds. In addition to allowance, my kids babysit, and do other odd jobs for neighbors, etc.
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Post by melanell on May 12, 2017 1:46:18 GMT
My boys started mowing lawns for the neighbors when they were 8 and 10. By the time they were your son's age, the each had 7-10 lawns to mow and made $200+ per week. They mowed May though October and made more than enough money for spending money. When my youngest graduated, he had about 15k in his savings (he was the saver). My son is planning on working along with someone else mowing lawns and doing yardwork this summer, and I hope he can make it work out nearly as well for him! Save
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Post by 950nancy on May 12, 2017 1:51:38 GMT
My boys started mowing lawns for the neighbors when they were 8 and 10. By the time they were your son's age, the each had 7-10 lawns to mow and made $200+ per week. They mowed May though October and made more than enough money for spending money. When my youngest graduated, he had about 15k in his savings (he was the saver). My son is planning on working along with someone else mowing lawns and doing yardwork this summer, and I hope he can make it work out nearly as well for him! SaveThey bought a second mower and a trimmer. When the weather got bad, one would trim while the other mowed, so the could get it done faster. Now that my youngest is in college, he still mows three lawns a week and makes $100. Kind of crazy. The neighbors love it because he charges so much less than a mowing service does. He works as an engineering intern and makes more in 2 hours mowing than an 8 hour day at work.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on May 12, 2017 1:53:56 GMT
Our kids (almost 15 and almost 13) get an allowance. It was $1 per year until they reached 10, then it maxed out at $10. I pay them every other week. So they get $20 every other week. Now, as to what it's supposed to be used for is another question. DD (13) is good at saving. Then when she wants to go to the mall and buy something just because, she has the funds for it. DS (15), not so much. We still fund a lot of things but we will let them know when they need to use their own money. Say ds went to the movies last night then wants to go again tomorrow night (or something like that), then we might say we've funded one activity this weekend you need to use your allowance this time. Yes, I know it doesn't sound consistent but dh and I don't always agree on this.
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Post by scraphollie27 on May 12, 2017 1:57:19 GMT
My kids got $5/week and I tracked it with an app (Allowance Bot) so I wasn't necessarily doling out cash every week. We also had certain chores that were worth money so they could earn extra dollars and I would make a deposit to their allowance account.
At that age, they were responsible for their own fun activities with their friends and we paid for all activities where we were going as a family or it was an active activity (skating or swimming, etc). We also paid for all birthday presents or entrance fees if they were going to a birthday party.
I did stick pretty tight to the "no funds, no fun" when They were out of allowance because I didn't want them to think I would bail them out when they'd spent all their money and it taught them to plan ahead when they knew they had events coming up. It also got my Tupperware cleaned out on a regular basis (I paid big bucks for that) and they learned how to hit up the grandparents if things got dire.
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Post by melanell on May 12, 2017 2:01:44 GMT
and they learned how to hit up the grandparents if things got dire. LOL---I swear the grandparents never gave out as much "bonus" money when they were the parents, right? I was so happy that my son saved his own money for his trip, and the day before he left, I spotted my dad slipping him some bills. I said "Dad! He has a bunch of money saved already!" and my dad just said, very dryly, "Now he has more." Well, heck, I have money saved but would like more, too. Cough some up for me, buddy! And their grandmother keeps a jar on her desk full of change that actually says right on it "Money for the Grandkids", and when it gets full she dumps it into a ziploc bag and tells them to split it. SaveSave
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Post by polz on May 12, 2017 2:03:31 GMT
My DD has worked since she was 13. I know this doesn't work for everyone, but since then she has had my credit card number and she orders stuff online and uses my credit card and transfers the money into my bank account. I pay for all necessary things (like school uniform and fees and bras and toiletries etc). She pays for everything fun like going out with friends or designer clothes or movies etc. She has saved 9K to pay for most of her student exchange to the US this year, so obviously, shes learned something along the way about handling finances.
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Post by Merge on May 12, 2017 2:19:48 GMT
I just fork over cash until I get tired of it and finally say no, and my ungrateful children stomp off and tell me how terrible I am for never letting them do anything.
We've tried the allowance thing, but then it seems there's always something a kid actually needs or needs to do after they've run out of money, so I end up just giving them more money. I'd like to have them do more chores to earn the money but they're never here, and if they are, they're generally actually doing homework or practicing an instrument.
So I just end up making it rain twenty dollar bills most of the time. They can learn to budget like I did, in college, by having to live on ramen when they've foolishly spent all their grocery money on beer and clothes.
#lifeinmyperfecthome #parentingwin #momofteengirls
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Post by leannec on May 12, 2017 2:36:42 GMT
and they learned how to hit up the grandparents if things got dire. LOL---I swear the grandparents never gave out as much "bonus" money when they were the parents, right? I was so happy that my son saved his own money for his trip, and the day before he left, I spotted my dad slipping him some bills. I said "Dad! He has a bunch of money saved already!" and my dad just said, very dryly, "Now he has more." Well, heck, I have money saved but would like more, too. Cough some up for me, buddy! And their grandmother keeps a jar on her desk full of change that actually says right on it "Money for the Grandkids", and when it gets full she dumps it into a ziploc bag and tells them to split it. SaveSaveMy mum slips a $20 to the dd's every month ... grandparent's are awesome Dd#1 has a job now so I don't have to worry about giving her money ... Dd#2 does chores for me and Grandma to make cash ... she's a saver so she probably still has cash from Christmas in her account
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Post by nlwilkins on May 12, 2017 9:33:34 GMT
For my kids, I gave them lunch money and kept food in the house that they could use to pack lunches. So, if they wanted to spend their lunch money on something else, then they would pack a lunch so as to not go hungry. Of course, I had to be sure they understood that skipping lunch was not an option. Both had after school activities and needed to eat a good lunch. Also, the lunch money was almost five dollars a day. So it would add up if they packed their lunches often.
Going to games every night sounds a little excessive to me. When is he getting his homework done, chores around the house done and family time is important too. Also if he is hanging around at the games with that much time on his hands away from home, I would be worried about him getting into trouble. There is all sorts of mischief kids could get into when there is too much unsupervised time on their hands. Notice is said COULD not that your son would, but at that age they still need supervision. Being at games is not a supervised situation. Maybe, kids have changed and things are a lot different but at that age for me and for my daughters was when the most trouble could happen cause we were more worried about what friends thought and fitting in with the crowd than what was the right thing to do. Believe me, I taught middle school kids and found them to be terrible at decision making when it came to behavior. But, on the other hand, they just were great with a little supervision.
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Post by amom23 on May 12, 2017 9:34:31 GMT
OP - Does your school sell activity tickets? Ours does for students and adults. It's less than the at door price so is worth it if you attend a lot of sporting events and is nice since you don't have to always have cash to pay at the door. We purchase them at the start of the school year.
We don't do the allowance thing here. First off my kids play sports almost year round so often times we are giving them money so they can eat at away games, etc. I don't have a problem giving them money for other school/fun stuff. They are good kids and help around the house plus are only kids once. They will have plenty of time to pay their own way in life.
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Post by peasapie on May 12, 2017 10:43:49 GMT
I just fork over cash until I get tired of it and finally say no, and my ungrateful children stomp off and tell me how terrible I am for never letting them do anything. We've tried the allowance thing, but then it seems there's always something a kid actually needs or needs to do after they've run out of money, so I end up just giving them more money. I'd like to have them do more chores to earn the money but they're never here, and if they are, they're generally actually doing homework or practicing an instrument. So I just end up making it rain twenty dollar bills most of the time. They can learn to budget like I did, in college, by having to live on ramen when they've foolishly spent all their grocery money on beer and clothes. #lifeinmyperfecthome #parentingwin #momofteengirls Honestly, this is how it was with my kids, too. And it worked. They are grown, working, budgeting, independent young adults now. I grew up working from an early early age and received no money from my parents. I hated it. All I did was school and work and very little time for the extra curricular activities (sports, dance, piano) that my friends were enjoying. My life was like that from 13-23. I wanted my kids to have a different path.
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Post by Really Red on May 12, 2017 11:32:40 GMT
13 is old enough to do jobs around the neighborhood and extra jobs for you. My kids did not get an allowance because the jobs they do are part of a family. Like you, I paid for a lot of things they did until they were about 12 or so. My son started at 11, but my girls earned steadily from 12 on. Mowing lawns, watching pets, etc. These are jobs they should be doing to learn responsibility. My 16yo got a credit card one year ago and is the most reasonable child on earth. He knows how to spend and not to spend.
FWIW, my son is a three-varsity athlete (three seasons/year) and is at school until 9pm most days. He is busy. I always cut slack if need be, but I can't do it all myself.
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Post by ellen on May 12, 2017 11:59:11 GMT
When my older daughter was in 9th grade I swear I had to hand her twenty dollar bills every single week for something and I got tired of it. I started giving her $100 a month. She opted to get $50 every two weeks so that she was less likely to run out. I gave her responsibilities like buying most of her own clothes since I felt like I was giving her a generous amount of money and I knew there would be a lot of months where she wouldn't need that much money. When she got older she got a job when she was feeling like she wanted more money. It worked out really well for her and we're doing it with our daughter who is an 8th grader too. The bottom line is that they do need money for various things, but I got tired of being the person paying for all of it. I do feel like my daughter has pretty good money management skills for the most part. She has made some dumb purchases, but she also learned to be someone who knows how to find cute things on a clearance rack. She is willing to buy things in consignment or thrift stores.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 12, 2017 13:09:33 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread. I have been trying to figure this out too. My daughter goes straight from school to theatre 4 days a week and she doesn't get home until 8 or 8.30. They often stop for a snack on the way.. often the "snack" becomes dinner because she is so hungry. So I give her $20 a week. Which is enough to purchase a snack but not a meal every time. We have plenty of healthy snacks she could take with her and save her money. Last Saturday she wanted to go to brunch with a friend. ( I was a little surprised that two 8th graders would go to brunch??) Anyway I said it needs to come out of your snack money. She sat me down and explained why she didn't think that should be the case, and that she was careful with her money.. had saved enough to buy her own ukulele. So she got $20 for brunch! I am trying to encourage her to find some babysitting jobs this summer. I am trying to figure out what is reasonable for High School.
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