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Post by casswithsass on May 21, 2017 22:20:05 GMT
Mom and Dad get divorced. The one who was cheating has become sanctimonious and self righteous. Desired reconciliation, but never made any real effort. Is now accusing ex-spouse of multiple affairs (which never happened). How do you support older teens and should they ever know about the reason for the divorce?
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2017 22:25:48 GMT
I will never tell my kids the actual reason why DH & I are getting divorced.
They are adults now ( 18&20) the less I say the less can be blamed on me.
I have never once cheated, I respect myself too much. It's not my place to tell anyone what he did. Although I suspect they may suspect
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Post by needmysanity on May 21, 2017 22:30:23 GMT
I never told the boys the real reason why their dad and I got divorced. The older one figured it out on his own (he was 12 at the time). Despite my instance hate for the man, I never have nor will say a bad thing about him to the boys. Believe me I want to but I won't.
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Post by AnotherPea on May 21, 2017 23:53:44 GMT
I've never believed that a cheating spouse should get off the hook when it comes to the kids. Telling the truth is NOT bad-mouthing the other parent. Kids are going to ask why and I would answer honestly. If children would make an incorrect statement ("why can't I spend the night at Tommy's? You're so mean! That's why Daddy left us!) I would set the record straight ("No, Daddy is gone because he could not stay faithful to ME"). Bad-mouthing the father would be "You're dad is a a-hole. He's always cared more about having fun that being responsible."
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Post by momto4kiddos on May 22, 2017 0:06:04 GMT
I think kids know more than we imagine or at least can figure out what is likely true or untrue.
As hard as it would be I think I would just continue to support the kids in a way that leaves the reasons out of it. Something along the line of things unfortunately just didn't work out between us type stuff. If they came to me asking me if I cheated, I would absolutely tell them that I did not and am not sure why their father would think that.
Kids aren't stupid, they likely have an idea that it's untrue to start with. Kids generally have a fairly good grasp of who their parents are.
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Post by roxley on May 22, 2017 0:10:42 GMT
You shouldn't tell them. They may figure it out on their own over time, but you don't want them to feel like they have to take sides, which they would if you were the one to tell them. He cheated on you, not them. And as hard as it is you don't want to do anything to hurt their relationships with their dad. He may do that on his own anyway. They will thank you for this when they are older. But it will be difficult always being the one to take the high road.
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Post by chirpingcricket on May 22, 2017 0:11:05 GMT
I am a legal assistant for a family law attorney. Never tell the kids what's up.
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Post by teacherlisa on May 22, 2017 0:16:42 GMT
It is never appropriate to involve children in adult issues. Period. I never, ever bad mouthed my ex. My kids were perfectly able to figure out on their own what was true/false without me telling them anything negative. They are now adults and appreciate that. I believe it is horribly damaging to children when parents say negative things about the other parent. It is legally considered parental ailienation.
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Post by inkedup on May 22, 2017 0:32:55 GMT
The children need to know are that your love for them won't change and that the divorce has nothing to do with them.
They will figure everything else out on their own.
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Post by bc2ca on May 22, 2017 1:26:50 GMT
My sister's two older kids knew what was going on with their parents' relationship, but not because either parent was talking to them about it, because they are bright, observant kids. The youngest was completely oblivious.
I don't think the kids need to be told details but I would have a difficult time not answering direct questions.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 2:27:32 GMT
I'm 59 years old. My parents divorced after 12 years of marriage, I was 11 and my sister was 6. There was no one in my class who had divorced parents so I felt somewhat an oddball. I don't remember what my mother told us the day she told us that daddy was not going to live with us anymore but I remember that we all cried. I have to say, both my parents made an effort and mom cooked a dinner for us and Dad every Monday night until we graduated high school.
My mother never dated. She died in my home while I held her hand 2 years ago. My dad has been married several times and is now single at 80 and has moved 5 hours south of me to build a house on his ranch land. My sister and I still have children of divorce issues. I just don't know how you work past that.
At some point I knew my father cheated. He cheated on his 2nd wife, too. He is not a good husband.
After my mother died, when we were going through her stuff, my DD found a diary my mom kept the first 3 years after the divorce. She read a little then told me I shouldn't read it. Of course I had to. It answered a few questions. I shredded it after I read it and never told my sister it existed.
The marks, no matter how gentle, from divorce are ever lasting.
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Post by Belia on May 22, 2017 2:34:46 GMT
I am a legal assistant for a family law attorney. Never tell the kids what's up. Can you say more about this?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 2:38:32 GMT
Mom and Dad get divorced. The one who was cheating has become sanctimonious and self righteous. Desired reconciliation, but never made any real effort. Is now accusing ex-spouse of multiple affairs (which never happened). How do you support older teens and should they ever know about the reason for the divorce? As hard as it is, never put them in a position they feel they have to choose sides. Let them be free to decide who they will see and when... even if you feel hurt by their decisions. Remember they aren't the one that cheated and they weren't cheated on either. Most older teens will have figured out what is going on. No need to tell them any details during the proceedings or for a time after. Chances are they knew dad was cheating before mom found out. My youngest was 19 when we divorced. 2-3 years after the divorce I did answer their point blank questions mainly because dad was telling his side and it wasn't making sense to any of the kids because he was leaving out a few key details. So they asked me some point blank questions. I kept my answers as much fact as possible. So by the mid 20s they did know the "whys" I do not ask about what dad is up to, I don't initiate conversations about him but I will listen when they have a rant about him and offer emotional support and advice on ways to deal with him.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 22, 2017 2:40:46 GMT
The children need to know are that your love for them won't change and that the divorce has nothing to do with them. They will figure everything else out on their own. I would not lie to my daughter and at some point, I am sure she will figure it out. But I think unless they ask point blank did Dad cheat...I would not tell them. Cheating may have been the reason for the divorce... but the reasons for cheating are generally a marriage in crisis. Which is what I choose to tell my daughter caused our divorce. And if you are in the early stages, if your ex acts like a complete ass, like mine, you don't ever have to bad mouth them. Unfortunately, the kids will figure out who they are pretty quickly.
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Post by used2scrap on May 22, 2017 2:41:50 GMT
I don't think one should deliberately lie or bad mouth a spouse, but I also refuse to be the bad guy for a cheating spouse who is stepping out and lying and painting me to be the villain. The truth is the truth, no matter how painful. And parents who cheat are also cheating on the children. If you want a marriage to be over, be a grown up and use your big kid words and tell everyone. Do not sneak around and lie and cheat and claim you aren't hurting the kids too. Bullshit. Time spent cheating around is time away from parenting too. Cheating doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 22, 2017 2:43:41 GMT
Tonight my daughter was in a play. Almost, Maine. the story is basically nine scenes about love, in all stages. She and her best friend played a couple who were at the end of their marriage, and the wife desperately wanted to leave but fear and the kids were holding her back. It was eerily real and hit very close to home.
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Post by anaterra on May 22, 2017 3:11:24 GMT
Another example of the bad pea I am...
I did exactly that... not while my kids were younger... but as teens n when they were old enough to want to know what really happened.. I said ur dad was an abusive cheating bastard... as they grew sometimes he would come to a game or school event... sometimes he wouldnt.. when they asked why he was a no show.. i would say cuz he is a selfish jackass who cares more about himself...
i did lots n lots of bad mouthing... now they are adults and have a sorta functioning relationship with him.... its on their terms with him... my kids n i still have pretty good relationships..
If they resent me for talking shit about their dad I don't know about it...
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Post by 950nancy on May 22, 2017 3:29:05 GMT
I would not cover for a cheating spouse, but I wouldn't make it a repeating story either. Tell the truth if they are old enough to hear it and move on.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 22, 2017 7:12:58 GMT
I feel when a man cheats, he cheats on his family, not just his wife. But, there are always excuses about the marriage being bad or the wife not treating him right. These are excuses. If the marriage is bad get out, don't cheat. Keeping facts about their daddy from the children makes it harder sometimes for them to face the truth down the road. Whereas if they knew their daddy was a cheater then they learn to live with it as they grow up and don't face disillusionment later on. Children are incredible and can handle a lot more than we give them credit for. At times it seems the younger you are, the easier it is to move on. Teenagers have so much to go through that finding out your dad is a jerk at that stage is pretty dramatic.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 22, 2017 11:51:21 GMT
Just because an ex failed in his relationship with his wife does not mean he will fail as a father. My daughter was in her 20s when we divorced. I did not tell her all that had happened, just that her father was not happy in the marriage. Even with that she was very angry for a long time, but they have a great relationship now. I would not want to do anything to take that from her.
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Post by roxley on May 22, 2017 12:24:50 GMT
The problem with telling the kids, or calling him names, is that you are degrading their relationship with their dad. You can get another partner, but this is the only dad they get. It may not be perfect, but if in the future they want that relationship you don't want to do anything to make it harder for them. You have to do what is best for them, even if it makes your life worse right now. In the long run, when they are moved out, when everyone has moved on, they won't be carrying all of your baggage about the marriage.
And no, he didn't cheat on them or the "family". Don't saddle them with that baggage. His reasons for cheating had nothing to do with his relationship with his kids, or because he fell out of love with them. He his a jerk to you, no question. He may end up being a jerk of a dad. But let that be all on him. If your kids can build a relationship with each parent, that is what you want for them.
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Post by ilikepink on May 22, 2017 12:27:19 GMT
I have been on all sides of this. My dad cheated and it was years before mom told me. She never said a bad word about dad until I was an adult. I didn't understand at the time-he left me too!
I cheated on my first husband; my boys were so young that they do not remember us being married. Their dad threatened many times to tell them when they were way too young to understand. He was angry (still is) and while I own my actions, he is not the brightest and at some point our marriage would have ended. I didn't speak badly of him until they started asking me about how stupid he was being. And then karma got me-my second husband cheated. My boys were adults and I told them what was going on. They have been protective of me, but do get along with him, as do I.
Be honest, but age appropriate. Don't be nasty; if one spouse isn't a good person, the children will see that. And they will always be the children and want to have the best relationship possible with their parents
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Post by disneypal on May 22, 2017 12:29:18 GMT
How do you support older teens and should they ever know about the reason for the divorce? I don't think the children need to know all the dirty details for the divorce reasons. If they ask, I would say there are multiple reasons and leave it at that. I think the best support it just to love them and listen to them, not to fight in front of them or speak poorly of the other parent.
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Post by chirpingcricket on May 22, 2017 13:33:23 GMT
I am a legal assistant for a family law attorney. Never tell the kids what's up. Can you say more about this? Surely. I was too pithy about my first post, anyway. First of all, family law varies widely from state to state, so what's legal/right in my state may not be legal/correct in your state. In my state, courts take into account what parents say to their children. As much as is possible, this state mandates as equal as possible co-parenting time, and if one parent behaves badly, their time with the children can be limited. Furthermore, child support is calculated based not only on how much money one makes but also how much time is spent with the children. So if, say, Dad badmouths Mom and claims she's a tramp who slept with the volunteer fire department, that's not conducive to engendering a positive relationship with both parents, and Dad could get his time cut down to every other weekend, which increases how much child support he pays. If Mom badmouths Dad, same thing can happen. My state's laws mandate how parents are supposed to behave -- parents are supposed to encourage good relationships with both parents. Now, that's just a legality in my state. It might not be a thing in the OP's state. But even if it's not a concern legally, it's just really poor manners to badmouth the ex. It doesn't foster healing in the children. My boss tells clients, "If it doesn't help, then it actively hurts." Withholding communication or money, slut shaming, complaining, being late to the child swap, "losing" an important comfort item so the child is not happy at the other parent's house, undermining the other parent's authority -- it's all petty bullcrap and doesn't belong being dumped on the children. Now, the children in the OP are older teens, right? They'll figure out a lot of stuff on their own. Being gossipy isn't going to help. And finally, one spouse is already behaving badly. If the injured spouse says nothing and does not poison the well, then the judge has a much easier job figuring out who the bad guy is. In other words, two wrongs don't make a right, and let's make the judge's job as easy as possible.
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Post by Anne-Marie on May 22, 2017 16:18:58 GMT
DD's father and I separated/divorced when she was 2.5/3 years old. She is now 12. I have never badmouthed her father to her, but I am truthful when she asks questions. When she asked why we divorced, I tell her that we weren't a good fit and weren't good for each other but I wouldn't change a thing because I have her. When she asks if her dad has been to jail, I tell her that's a question for her dad. When she asked what child support was, and then followed up asking if her dad pays it, I was honest. I will not lie to my child and lose all credibility with her to make him look better. His choices are on him. He sees her very sporadically and she has come to the conclusion on her own that she is not a priority in his life. It is heartbreaking to watch but I am not going to cover for him when he doesn't show up or make excuses for him when he goes silent for weeks/months at a time.
DD's grandparents (on her dad's side) are divorced and her grandmother was cheated on. Grandmother and grandfather have both been remarried for 20+ years and DD loves all four of them, both biological and step. Unfortunately cheated-on grandmother, who DD is very close to, has shared with DD that she was cheated on by DD's grandfather. It has definitely affected the way that DD views her grandfather, and her step-grandmother as well, since she was the other party involved.
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Post by hop2 on May 22, 2017 16:51:32 GMT
I would not cover for a cheating spouse, but I wouldn't make it a repeating story either. Tell the truth if they are old enough to hear it and move on. I don't plan on lying to my kids. They need at least one parent to be truthful with them. But if they are not point blank asking then I will not volunteer the information. I'm pretty sure they suspect anyway and I'd rather he bury himself. I get blamed for everything by him anyway so when his relationship with them deteriorates, as I sure it will, I'd rather be able to say I didn't damage it. I mean unless mr perfect who sees no reason to change because he does nothing wrong decides to change, his relationship with his kids will deteriorate. They already avoid him when they can.
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Post by mom23sweetpeas on May 22, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
I was seventeen when my parents split- a month before my father actually left my mother went to the US to help with her dying father and was gone for two weeks- during that time my Dad disappeared a number of times- I knew what was happening before she did- in fact i told my brother (who had gone with her to help) and he thought i was nuts- two weeks later Dad was moving out Don;t underestimate what your children know or understand - older teens will definitely get it!
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Post by scorpeao on May 22, 2017 16:55:38 GMT
When my dd was little I kept the reason for the divorce from her. Around 18 she asked and I told her...your dad had a girlfriend. She doesn't know who the girlfriend(s) were because they are still in her life. I wasn't going to lie, and I certainly wasn't going to have her thinking I'm the one who ripped apart her life when she was 7. Her dad and I remained good friends. So much so that while she was growing up other parents thought we were still married. We often got told we needed to give seminars on how to remain friendly after divorce. My dd is now 20, and other than the occasional FB post, I only talk to her dad when she's home on leave. I don't miss him one bit!!!!
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Post by peasapie on May 22, 2017 17:03:16 GMT
You could have just written my divorce story. My chronically-cheating ex denied cheating and told anyone who would listen that I cheated on him. (I never did.) It was irritating. I let my (high school aged) kids know the truth in brief. No way I was going to let his lies stand, but I also didn't harp on it; just let them know the truth and then left it alone.
Now that they are young adults, they see from personal experience that he is a chronic lier and manipulator.
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Post by utpea on May 22, 2017 17:05:58 GMT
Just because an ex failed in his relationship with his wife does not mean he will fail as a father. My daughter was in her 20s when we divorced. I did not tell her all that had happened, just that her father was not happy in the marriage. Even with that she was very angry for a long time, but they have a great relationship now. I would not want to do anything to take that from her. My parents divorced the same year I got married (after 25 years together). Even though I was an adult, it was devastating. I remember a few family members saying some not so nice things about my dad and it was very upsetting. He'll always be my dad. As the years passed, I figured out on my own why their marriage failed. I needed to do it when I was ready. Until that time, hearing negative things about him just made me sad and confused.
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