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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 12, 2017 23:17:37 GMT
So I heard of this today and wondered your Thoughts?
Senior had a hard time finishing some classes but passed all exams. Was given his grad tickets, his 12 year school file, his name was on the program as a graduate and they gave him his diploma!!. Fast forward 2 days and parent gets a voicemail from the school saying to bring said child in for the next 2 weeks to finish a class and graduate by the 30th. Umm what!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:19:59 GMT
So I heard of this today and wondered your Thoughts? Senior had a hard time finishing some classes but passed all exams. Was given his grad tickets, his 12 year school file, his name was on the program as a graduate and they gave him his diploma!!. Fast forward 2 days and parent gets a voicemail from the school saying to bring said child in for the next 2 weeks to finish a class and graduate by the 30th. Umm what!? Not as odd as you might think... none of what you list matters. What matters is when colleges or jobs call asking for a final transcript from the school. Does that transcript say he graduated or not. I can guarantee that right now it says nope.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 12, 2017 23:21:05 GMT
How can they give a diploma that says successfully completed required courses and let them walk and not say anything!?
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Post by librarylady on Jun 12, 2017 23:23:21 GMT
How can they give a diploma that says successfully completed required courses and let them walk and not say anything!? I'd be up at the school getting answers. Perhaps he passed the exams but the overall grade was not passing. IDK Perhaps the admin had a heart and let him participate...............or perhaps there is some clerical error.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 12, 2017 23:24:24 GMT
I would wonder how when they went in to pick up his tickets and file they weren't told anything about it...seems misleading...id be furious
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 12, 2017 23:25:49 GMT
So I heard of this today and wondered your Thoughts? Senior had a hard time finishing some classes but passed all exams. Was given his grad tickets, his 12 year school file, his name was on the program as a graduate and they gave him his diploma!!. Fast forward 2 days and parent gets a voicemail from the school saying to bring said child in for the next 2 weeks to finish a class and graduate by the 30th. Umm what!? My thoughts? LOUSY school administration!
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Post by tampascrapper on Jun 12, 2017 23:29:21 GMT
that is weird! I have not heard of that before
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:30:26 GMT
They do this all the time with college graduates. They may need to come back and complete a few more units in order to complete their degree, but can walk with their graduating class. This student might have been told that it was a conditional graduation and either misunderstood or failed to relay that information to his parents.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:34:29 GMT
How can they give a diploma that says successfully completed required courses and let them walk and not say anything!? Because if the school is very big, different pieces of the process are completed by different people. Diplomas are usually printed at a professional printers that can do the engraved printing and seal enameling. The whole class is done early in the year so it gets done. Printing isn't something that can be done last minute and the printer charges for a school specific set up so there isn't a cost effective way to do a few later. Then toward the end of the year there is a graduation check.. the people who didn't graduate are supposed to get pulled. But somehow they missed pulling his. Since he had a diploma the rest of it all followed through. And most schools will allow a student to walk without finishing all the requirements if there will be no summer/winter ceremonies. You can get as mad as you want. But I'll tell you straight up, it won't get you anywhere. If he didn't fill all the requirements his transcript will remain as ungraduated and he won't have a way to redeem it after the 30th.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 12, 2017 23:34:35 GMT
How can they give a diploma that says successfully completed required courses and let them walk and not say anything!? Here, because of scheduling conflicts with tons of schools and school districts trying to use the same venues for graduation, there are schools that hold graduation 2 or 3 weeks before the end of the school year. There are many kids who walk and don't know if they actually graduated because final grades aren't in. So totally not unheard of or unusual. However, two peas is the only place I have ever heard of actually getting your actual diploma during the actual graduation. For my high school, college, law school, and the schools of everyone I know, your diploma is mailed to you at a later date. And all of those pieces of paper called diplomas are meaningless. As other posters said, it's only the TRANSCRIPT that counts.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 12, 2017 23:37:14 GMT
Graduating class of like 130...and not a mention of it the last week of school they said
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:47:07 GMT
Graduating class of like 130...and not a mention of it the last week of school they said A class of 130 is big enough to need several people working through the process. Doesn't matter that it wasn't mentioned the last week of class. What matters is he has been told NOW. He needs to follow through or screw up the rest of his life. When I admit students I am looking at the transcript sent from the school. When the transcript says "not graduated" and a diploma shows up I assume the diploma is a forgery.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 12, 2017 23:48:18 GMT
Graduating class of like 130...and not a mention of it the last week of school they said A class of 130 is big enough to need several people working through the process. Doesn't matter that it wasn't mentioned the last week of class. What matters is he has been told NOW. He needs to follow through or screw up the rest of his life. When I admit students I am looking at the transcript sent from the school. When the transcript says "not graduated" and a diploma shows up I assume the diploma is a forgery. Screwing up the rest of his life sounds a tad harsh. And forgery is on the school...just not right
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Post by fuji on Jun 12, 2017 23:50:54 GMT
This happens every year at our school. It's only a few kids, but it happens. The "walk list" has to be figured out a couple of weeks before the last day of classes and the actual graduation ceremony. Seating charts have to be arranged, programs printed, etc. That cannot be done in one-two business days. Guidance counselors are making calculated decisions on whether or not a kid can walk based on discussions with the student and teachers. They will err on the side of caution and assume the kid will pass. It's the right choice. They don't want to deny the kid a chance to walk.
At the actual ceremony, every kid is handed an empty folder (those faux leather ones with the school named embossed on it). Many schools do not hand out the actual diploma on stage. As they walk out of the ceremony, they are directed to classrooms where they pick up an envelope that has their actual diploma, cards from teachers, projects they didn't pick up, etc.
Also, with online grading programs, it is highly unlikely they had no idea he was failing. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. I am almost positive they could have been checking his grades at any time. The parents would have been more pissed if their kid hadn't been allowed to be part of the graduation ceremony with his class because he was missing a few assignments.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:52:39 GMT
A class of 130 is big enough to need several people working through the process. Doesn't matter that it wasn't mentioned the last week of class. What matters is he has been told NOW. He needs to follow through or screw up the rest of his life. When I admit students I am looking at the transcript sent from the school. When the transcript says "not graduated" and a diploma shows up I assume the diploma is a forgery. Screwing up the rest of his life sounds a tad harsh. And forgery is on the school...just not right But that is the reality of a transcript that doesn't say you graduated. Every college/university and most entry level jobs are going to want to see the transcript. And the school is not going to put graduated on it if he still has requirements that haven't been met. Everyone can be as furious as you want to be. Your feelings don't matter. Get him to school for the next two weeks and do what needs to be done.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 13, 2017 0:02:33 GMT
A class of 130 is big enough to need several people working through the process. Doesn't matter that it wasn't mentioned the last week of class. What matters is he has been told NOW. He needs to follow through or screw up the rest of his life. When I admit students I am looking at the transcript sent from the school. When the transcript says "not graduated" and a diploma shows up I assume the diploma is a forgery. Screwing up the rest of his life sounds a tad harsh. And forgery is on the school...just not right I agree with volt. First of all, I find it almost impossible to believe this story. My money is on the kid knew he was close to failing and just doesn't want to fess that up to the parents. Regardless of that, regardless of whether it's fair or harsh or whatever, the kid needs to do whatever he needs to do to graduate. If he doesn't, he is, in fact, screwing up the rest of his life.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Jun 13, 2017 0:04:24 GMT
This happened to a friend of mine I graduated with...he went to three weeks of summer school and everything was fine afterwards. In my experience it's not uncommon at all.
ETA: I agree with myshelly...this kid had to know at least a week or two before the last day of school.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 13, 2017 0:20:38 GMT
I know this doesn't seem like a good thing, but my son was told he might not graduate and I would have given anything for him to graduate with his class and return to finish up. Instead he left school just weeks before graduation day and got a GED rather than risk being left out from graduating with his peers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 0:21:08 GMT
As convoluted as public education is today, it is not surprising. One counselor covering 700+ students to insure their transcripts are right to graduate - you better take matters into your own hands. It is just as much as the kid's and parent's fault this has happened as it is the school. I'm sorry it is happening and it sucks, but just go in and get the work done.
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Post by lovinlife on Jun 13, 2017 0:28:22 GMT
At our high school if a student is close or may need just a week or 2 of summer school they are allowed to walk with the class.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 13, 2017 0:31:29 GMT
So I heard of this today and wondered your Thoughts? Senior had a hard time finishing some classes but passed all exams. Was given his grad tickets, his 12 year school file, his name was on the program as a graduate and they gave him his diploma!!. Fast forward 2 days and parent gets a voicemail from the school saying to bring said child in for the next 2 weeks to finish a class and graduate by the 30th. Umm what!? Slight hijack, I've never heard of kids getting their school file. It sounds like there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line here. DS graduated last Wednesday and wrote finals on Mon & Tues. No one knew their final grades until this week. I have no doubt some kids that walked at graduation that hadn't complete all the class requirements, whether it was passing exams or completing assignments. I'm not sure when final grades have to be submitted, but I'd get my kid to finish now. In our district there would be the option of enrolling in the continuing education high school, but they would have to take the entire class over. I can imagine how frustrating this is, but it doesn't change the fact that the kid needs to finish the class. SaveSave
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jun 13, 2017 0:49:22 GMT
Back when I graduated, everyone was allowed to walk, even the kids who hadn't quite completed everything or were a class or two short. We were handed empty diploma folders. After the ceremony, we gathered in an auditorium and were given the real thing. It doesn't take long. My class was about 70 kids. You either got a signed diploma or you got a photocopy of an unsigned diploma stapled to a letter listing the summer school requirements that needed to be done to obtain the signed one and have your final transcripts produced. Of the four kids who received the unsigned version, only one was mildly surprised. The parents of three of the four students were shocked.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 13, 2017 0:54:25 GMT
So I heard of this today and wondered your Thoughts? Senior had a hard time finishing some classes but passed all exams. Was given his grad tickets, his 12 year school file, his name was on the program as a graduate and they gave him his diploma!!. Fast forward 2 days and parent gets a voicemail from the school saying to bring said child in for the next 2 weeks to finish a class and graduate by the 30th. Umm what!? Slight hijack, I've never heard of kids getting their school file. It sounds like there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line here. DS graduated last Wednesday and wrote finals on Mon & Tues. No one knew their final grades until this week. I have no doubt some kids that walked at graduation that hadn't complete all the class requirements, whether it was passing exams or completing assignments. I'm not sure when final grades have to be submitted, but I'd get my kid to finish now. In our district there would be the option of enrolling in the continuing education high school, but they would have to take the entire class over. I can imagine how frustrating this is, but it doesn't change the fact that the kid needs to finish the class. SaveSaveI agree with you. Never heard of a 12 year school file and certainly didn't get one when I graduated. I asked DH, a public school teacher, and he said he'd never heard of it, either.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jun 13, 2017 1:33:36 GMT
Slight hijack, I've never heard of kids getting their school file. It sounds like there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line here. DS graduated last Wednesday and wrote finals on Mon & Tues. No one knew their final grades until this week. I have no doubt some kids that walked at graduation that hadn't complete all the class requirements, whether it was passing exams or completing assignments. I'm not sure when final grades have to be submitted, but I'd get my kid to finish now. In our district there would be the option of enrolling in the continuing education high school, but they would have to take the entire class over. I can imagine how frustrating this is, but it doesn't change the fact that the kid needs to finish the class. SaveSaveI agree with you. Never heard of a 12 year school file and certainly didn't get one when I graduated. I asked DH, a public school teacher, and he said he'd never heard of it, either. It had all kinds of things from scores, class lwtters, etc...
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Post by myshelly on Jun 13, 2017 1:35:01 GMT
I agree with you. Never heard of a 12 year school file and certainly didn't get one when I graduated. I asked DH, a public school teacher, and he said he'd never heard of it, either. It had all kinds of things from scores, class lwtters, etc... Odd. Why would you need scores for anything other than your transcript when school is over? What are class letters?
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 13, 2017 1:45:43 GMT
Slight hijack, I've never heard of kids getting their school file. It sounds like there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line here. DS graduated last Wednesday and wrote finals on Mon & Tues. No one knew their final grades until this week. I have no doubt some kids that walked at graduation that hadn't complete all the class requirements, whether it was passing exams or completing assignments. I'm not sure when final grades have to be submitted, but I'd get my kid to finish now. In our district there would be the option of enrolling in the continuing education high school, but they would have to take the entire class over. I can imagine how frustrating this is, but it doesn't change the fact that the kid needs to finish the class. SaveSaveI agree with you. Never heard of a 12 year school file and certainly didn't get one when I graduated. I asked DH, a public school teacher, and he said he'd never heard of it, either. I'm not sure either, but in our district a piece of writing was collected each year for a "file." I loved getting the file to see the K-12 pieces that teachers saved. We have two high schools in our district. One gives the actual diploma and the other does not. While I would not be pleased that my kid did not let me know about poor grades (we can check electronically), I would think that two weeks was a small price to pay. In our district the entire class has to be retaken in summer school to pass.
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 13, 2017 1:53:53 GMT
I have heard of letting them participate in the graduation pending a remaining requirement - but not to actually give the diploma. If it were me, I would be at the school asking some really serious questions as to why they did not say something before this and why they actually handed him a diploma.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jun 13, 2017 3:31:17 GMT
I have a friend who had 3 daughters graduate this year (she has twins and married someone with a daughter the same age). Anyways, one of the girls busted her butt to get her grades up to graduate with honors with her sister. The week before graduation she was just shy of it (like a 89.98 or something like that and wouldn't move her up). She even called (with no response) on grad rehearsal. Fast forward to report cards being released, her final grade was a 90 and she indeed was an Honor Grad. She was able to get her cords but still didn't get to walk as an honor grad and be recognized.
For this reason and the reason of the OP story, I wish that they'd make sure that all Senior grades are completed 2-3 days before graduation.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 13, 2017 5:08:44 GMT
I think it's an individual-specific situation and we can speculate till the cows come home, but the only way to find the actual answer is to call the school and inquire.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 13, 2017 5:25:32 GMT
- Is the diploma an original (& not a placeholder)?
- Does the "12 year school file" contain an official transcript?
- Does the school's online grade book show the student received a passing grade & credit for this class?
- Can the student verify he submitted all assignments to complete this class?
- Call the school for an explanation (Note it's possibly a clerical error where the parent of the wrong student was called, meaning the intended student/parent has not yet been notified!)
Best wishes...
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