nylene
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Post by nylene on Aug 15, 2017 1:51:43 GMT
I attended a sewing class in D.C. and the instructor kept telling us there was no way we could make this project without an "old" machine. "If your machine is not OLD there is no reason to even try this technique." I kept wondering how "old" the machine had to be and why old machines were better than the new modern ones. Luckily I didn't dare ask and I finally figured out she was saying an "oiled" machine. Sheesh, I was glad I didn't ask!
Accents are fascinating to me!
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Post by infochick on Aug 15, 2017 2:11:49 GMT
I attended a sewing class in D.C. and the instructor kept telling us there was no way we could make this project without an "old" machine. "If your machine is not OLD there is no reason to even try this technique." I kept wondering how "old" the machine had to be and why old machines were better than the new modern ones. Luckily I didn't dare ask and I finally figured out she was saying an "oiled" machine. Sheesh, I was glad I didn't ask! Accents are fascinating to me! This makes my day! I love it...thank you for the belly laugh SaveSave
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 15, 2017 2:29:44 GMT
Ferry and very rhyme with merry. Fairy and Mary rhyme with hairy. Bronx born and raised. Shimelle's "accent" seems a little fake to me sometimes. Once, when she was talking about a trip to the zoo, she mentioned seeing the "girOFFE" and the "ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). I've never heard anyone (English or otherwise) pronounce those words that way. Maybe they do, but it doesn't sound natural compared to the way she pronounces most other words. Then again, my cousin was born and raised in the Bronx, moved to Florida, and has a strange accent now. This ferry fairy very Mary thing is interesting. I'm wondering if to you fairy, Mary, and hairy sound like harried. I've heard some people pronounce marry and merry differently but they sound the same to me. I need to see a youtube video of someone pronouncing these words so I can hear the difference. No. Harried rhymes with married. The "a" is short, like the "a" in hat. This is a very interesting thread.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 15, 2017 2:56:55 GMT
"ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee'
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Post by pancakes on Aug 15, 2017 2:57:14 GMT
Why does she pronounce half as "hoff" (sounds like David HasselHOFF) ? Or "glosses" instead of glasses? It comes out sounding odd to my ear. Is this common in the UK to pronounce half as hoff and glasses as glosses? To me they sound like half and glasses so I would assume, as others have suggested, it is her Anglicising her accent. I will say there are American pronunciations that sound completely different to me than they do to an American - the name Aaron springs to mind as the most obvious example, where what I hear sounds like the female name Erin. American here -- Aaron and Erin are homonyms in my book.
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Post by Elsabelle on Aug 15, 2017 3:02:44 GMT
This ferry fairy very Mary thing is interesting. I'm wondering if to you fairy, Mary, and hairy sound like harried. I've heard some people pronounce marry and merry differently but they sound the same to me. I need to see a youtube video of someone pronouncing these words so I can hear the difference. No. Harried rhymes with married. The "a" is short, like the "a" in hat. This is a very interesting thread. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I love accents. So you're saying none of those other words sound like harried/married?
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Post by joblackford on Aug 15, 2017 3:21:51 GMT
"ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' You beat me too it! ZEBras all the way Sesame Street tried to teach us to say zee (and to look the wrong way first when crossing the road)... Between that and all the holidays being in the wrong seasons (Easter in autumn, Halloween in spring) it's no wonder kiwi kids are a little mixed up. This is a fun thread. But we definitely could use an audio feature... Aaron and Erin are definitely not homonyms in NZ, and neither are Don and Dawn. "A drop of Dawn and the grease is gone" doesn't work for me at all - it would have to be "the grease is gawn" The first time someone told me her name was Don over the phone and then spelt it D-A-W-N I was so confused...
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Post by anniefb on Aug 15, 2017 5:17:18 GMT
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 15, 2017 5:23:05 GMT
Ferry and very rhyme with merry. Fairy and Mary rhyme with hairy. Bronx born and raised. Shimelle's "accent" seems a little fake to me sometimes. Once, when she was talking about a trip to the zoo, she mentioned seeing the "girOFFE" and the "ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). I've never heard anyone (English or otherwise) pronounce those words that way. Maybe they do, but it doesn't sound natural compared to the way she pronounces most other words. Then again, my cousin was born and raised in the Bronx, moved to Florida, and has a strange accent now. This ferry fairy very Mary thing is interesting. I'm wondering if to you fairy, Mary, and hairy sound like harried. I've heard some people pronounce marry and merry differently but they sound the same to me. I need to see a youtube video of someone pronouncing these words so I can hear the difference. To me, ferry, fairy, Mary, merry, very, harry, hairy, marry all sound exactly the same.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 15, 2017 8:42:48 GMT
To me they sound like half and glasses so I would assume, as others have suggested, it is her Anglicising her accent. I will say there are American pronunciations that sound completely different to me than they do to an American - the name Aaron springs to mind as the most obvious example, where what I hear sounds like the female name Erin. American here -- Aaron and Erin are homonyms in my book. They are definitely not in Australia but at least that explains why I had trouble understanding people's names.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 15, 2017 8:43:49 GMT
"ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' Yep, same in Australia.
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Post by jennyap on Aug 15, 2017 8:49:19 GMT
This ferry fairy very Mary thing is interesting. I'm wondering if to you fairy, Mary, and hairy sound like harried. I've heard some people pronounce marry and merry differently but they sound the same to me. I need to see a youtube video of someone pronouncing these words so I can hear the difference. To me, ferry, fairy, Mary, merry, very, harry, hairy, marry all sound exactly the same. (Then what's the point of different vowels?! ) To me, they're grouped like this - each group sounds different, words within a group sound the same: ferry, merry, very fairy, Mary, hairy harry, marry I wonder if I can figure out a way to record myself saying all these words and post it here...!
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 15, 2017 10:42:49 GMT
"ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' Yup. Same here in South Africa, and other places in Africa where I have lived. Where the zebras come from picking up up on the Aaron/ Erin thing, I can't remember the TV programme anymore but in the USA or some parts thereof, is the guy name Craig pronounced "Creg" like "Greg"?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 15, 2017 11:22:20 GMT
Once, when she was talking about a trip to the zoo, she mentioned seeing the "girOFFE" and the "ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). I've never heard anyone (English or otherwise) pronounce those words that way. I have definitely heard both "girOFFE" and "ZEBra" in certain British accents. Also, you may hear it as an "OFFE" sound when to the native's ear there's a distinct different between their rendition of the -affe ending and a true "OFFE" pronounciation (in their accent). Neural mechanisms and all that happy jazz... There are some great shows you can find with a little bit of Internet finesse (or even just on YouTube for some episodes) for those interested in listening to a broader variety of English accents, specifically British ones. QI, Have I Got News For You, Mock The Week, 8 Out Of 10 Cats, etc.
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 15, 2017 11:35:52 GMT
"ZEBra" (rhymes with Debra). That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' I stand corrected. I knew about the zed, but not the zebra.
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 15, 2017 11:39:03 GMT
That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' Yup. Same here in South Africa, and other places in Africa where I have lived. Where the zebras come from picking up up on the Aaron/ Erin thing, I can't remember the TV programme anymore but in the USA or some parts thereof, is the guy name Craig pronounced "Creg" like "Greg"? Long "a" in Craig, like the "a" in gate. At least, that's how I say it.
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Post by riversong1963 on Aug 15, 2017 11:41:56 GMT
No. Harried rhymes with married. The "a" is short, like the "a" in hat. This is a very interesting thread. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I love accents. So you're saying none of those other words sound like harried/married? Around here, yes, that's correct. So interesting. I love language study.
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Post by joteves on Aug 15, 2017 12:04:26 GMT
I studied linguistics and teach English as a foreign language in Portugal, so this is a topic I find really fascinating. One problem is that after a certain age people have trouble even perceiving sounds which are not present in their native language. So for example, the Portuguese find it really difficult to understand that words like 'beat' and 'bit' have a different vowel sound. To them both words sound exactly the same. They can usually only pronounce the sort 'i' sound which leads to some interesting situations when they try to say words like 'sheet' and it comes out sounding like something quite different.
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Post by joteves on Aug 15, 2017 12:08:01 GMT
And I was raised in London and 'fairy' and 'ferry' are definitely pronounced differently there.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 15, 2017 12:36:06 GMT
That's how we say zebra in New Zealand. And the letter 'Z' is 'zed' not 'zee' Yup. Same here in South Africa, and other places in Africa where I have lived. Where the zebras come from picking up up on the Aaron/ Erin thing, I can't remember the TV programme anymore but in the USA or some parts thereof, is the guy name Craig pronounced "Creg" like "Greg"? Craig and Greg are homonyms in many parts of the US. Most parts, honestly. We are pretty complacent with our vowels over here.
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Post by Elsabelle on Aug 15, 2017 14:35:36 GMT
This ferry fairy very Mary thing is interesting. I'm wondering if to you fairy, Mary, and hairy sound like harried. I've heard some people pronounce marry and merry differently but they sound the same to me. I need to see a youtube video of someone pronouncing these words so I can hear the difference. To me, ferry, fairy, Mary, merry, very, harry, hairy, marry all sound exactly the same. Same here but I grew up in So Cal too.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 15, 2017 14:46:29 GMT
If you watch older videos on her channel you will hear her with an even more obvious accent. When I visited Australia for 2 weeks, I started to pick up a quite terrible Aussie accent...it rubs off. She's lived over there over half of her life, so it makes sense to me that some words with very different pronunciations would be ones she would adjust to even if it sounds strange because most of her speech still sound quite American. I thought you were going to ask how to say her name. It annoys the crap out of me when people call her shim-eel. It makes my ears bleed. There is a FB meme going around about pronounciation. It says if someone mispronounces a word they learned it by reading, hard to fault them for that! Shimelle is an example of that for me. I don't really watch videos and have mostly only read about her. I had no idea it wasn't Shim-eel! I love this thread! I've only lived on other continents in college, a semester worth at a time. But I've lived decades and more in various regions of the US. Pronounciation is when we should step away from our own lens and remember other people have different experiences. The ferry or fairy comment reminds me of one. Where I live now -bury and berry are the same. But I was once ripped apart for saying Middleberry instead of Middleburrry when I lived in the east. It wouldn't be noticed here! We have a street name with multiple choices, people debate it, being a town with lots of residents from across the country. I recently met an older man who knew the family the road was named after- none of the common choices were even close! Thanks for fun early morning thread!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 15, 2017 15:13:43 GMT
If you watch older videos on her channel you will hear her with an even more obvious accent. When I visited Australia for 2 weeks, I started to pick up a quite terrible Aussie accent...it rubs off. She's lived over there over half of her life, so it makes sense to me that some words with very different pronunciations would be ones she would adjust to even if it sounds strange because most of her speech still sound quite American. I thought you were going to ask how to say her name. It annoys the crap out of me when people call her shim-eel. It makes my ears bleed. There is a FB meme going around about pronounciation. It says if someone mispronounces a word they learned it by reading, hard to fault them for that! Shimelle is an example of that for me. I don't really watch videos and have mostly only read about her. I had no idea it wasn't Shim-eel! I love this thread! I've only lived on other continents in college, a semester worth at a time. But I've lived decades and more in various regions of the US. Pronounciation is when we should step away from our own lens and remember other people have different experiences. The ferry or fairy comment reminds me of one. Where I live now -bury and berry are the same. But I was once ripped apart for saying Middleberry instead of Middleburrry when I lived in the east. It wouldn't be noticed here! We have a street name with multiple choices, people debate it, being a town with lots of residents from across the country. I recently met an older man who knew the family the road was named after- none of the common choices were even close! Thanks for fun early morning thread! Shimelle is Michelle with the mmm and sh sounds swapped. But you're right, if you haven't heard it right, there is room for error. I heard Elle of Elle's Studio both ways and finally asked, so I let people know if they are uncertain in their videos. It kind of makes me giggle a bit that the way Shimmerz adds a z to everything trips up Nicole Jones because she speaks french, too. Huez is the same as hues but she says it like 'wet' instead of 'view' as it is intended.
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Post by warrior1991 on Aug 15, 2017 16:17:08 GMT
I've lived in MN my whole life (44 yrs), but about half the time was northern MN next to the Canadian border. And the last half in Southern Minnesota. I know I picked up accents from both places. My ex-husband's step dad is Don. And his sister is Dawn. To me they are the exact same word. Pronounced the exact same. My family would tease me about saying them wrong. They grew up in the same state I did, I never heard them say it different. This is a very interesting discussion. Ferry, fairy, very, Mary, merry, etc all sound the same to me too.
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Post by paperamy on Aug 15, 2017 16:21:12 GMT
There is a FB meme going around about pronounciation. It says if someone mispronounces a word they learned it by reading, hard to fault them for that! Shimelle is an example of that for me. I don't really watch videos and have mostly only read about her. I had no idea it wasn't Shim-eel! I love this thread! I've only lived on other continents in college, a semester worth at a time. But I've lived decades and more in various regions of the US. Pronounciation is when we should step away from our own lens and remember other people have different experiences. The ferry or fairy comment reminds me of one. Where I live now -bury and berry are the same. But I was once ripped apart for saying Middleberry instead of Middleburrry when I lived in the east. It wouldn't be noticed here! We have a street name with multiple choices, people debate it, being a town with lots of residents from across the country. I recently met an older man who knew the family the road was named after- none of the common choices were even close! Thanks for fun early morning thread! Shimelle is Michelle with the mmm and sh sounds swapped. But you're right, if you haven't heard it right, there is room for error. I heard Elle of Elle's Studio both ways and finally asked, so I let people know if they are uncertain in their videos. It kind of makes me giggle a bit that the way Shimmerz adds a z to everything trips up Nicole Jones because she speaks french, too. Huez is the same as hues but she says it like 'wet' instead of 'view' as it is intended. So how is Elle's Studio pronounced? I had always assumed it was like the letter L but I've heard people say Ellie, so now I'm not sure. (sorry if it is already addressed in thread and I missed it).
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 15, 2017 16:50:34 GMT
Shimelle is Michelle with the mmm and sh sounds swapped. But you're right, if you haven't heard it right, there is room for error. I heard Elle of Elle's Studio both ways and finally asked, so I let people know if they are uncertain in their videos. It kind of makes me giggle a bit that the way Shimmerz adds a z to everything trips up Nicole Jones because she speaks french, too. Huez is the same as hues but she says it like 'wet' instead of 'view' as it is intended. So how is Elle's Studio pronounced? I had always assumed it was like the letter L but I've heard people say Ellie, so now I'm not sure. (sorry if it is already addressed in thread and I missed it). Not like the letter. It is like Elly/Ellie/Ellee (this is where I regret not being as strong in English as Math...being able to write pronunciations as depicted in the dictionary would be so helpful on the internet).
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Post by Elsabelle on Aug 15, 2017 17:11:52 GMT
So how is Elle's Studio pronounced? I had always assumed it was like the letter L but I've heard people say Ellie, so now I'm not sure. (sorry if it is already addressed in thread and I missed it). Not like the letter. It is like Elly/Ellie/Ellee (this is where I regret not being as strong in English as Math...being able to write pronunciations as depicted in the dictionary would be so helpful on the internet). Thank you. I was never sure how it is pronounced.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 15, 2017 17:25:22 GMT
I've lived in MN my whole life (44 yrs), but about half the time was northern MN next to the Canadian border. And the last half in Southern Minnesota. I know I picked up accents from both places. My ex-husband's step dad is Don. And his sister is Dawn. To me they are the exact same word. Pronounced the exact same. My family would tease me about saying them wrong. They grew up in the same state I did, I never heard them say it different. This is a very interesting discussion. Ferry, fairy, very, Mary, merry, etc all sound the same to me too. Is it Dahh-n instead of the O in Don sounding like the one in Dot? See comment about math-whiz lacking skills above, it applies here!
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Post by dulcemama on Aug 15, 2017 18:53:14 GMT
Jumping in on the Mary merry marry thing... DD and I took a dialect survey on line once and I was shocked to discover that DD says that Mary and merry are the same but marry is different. To me they are all the same. How is this possible? I raised her after all.
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Post by paperamy on Aug 15, 2017 19:19:50 GMT
So how is Elle's Studio pronounced? I had always assumed it was like the letter L but I've heard people say Ellie, so now I'm not sure. (sorry if it is already addressed in thread and I missed it). Not like the letter. It is like Elly/Ellie/Ellee (this is where I regret not being as strong in English as Math...being able to write pronunciations as depicted in the dictionary would be so helpful on the internet). Thanks. Your explanation was perfect. I thought Elle was like letter or the "Elle" in Michelle. I am glad to know the correct way!
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