johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 0:39:30 GMT
Have you ever encountered this? For the 2nd year we purchased before from a farm. Last year we got a quarter and everything went fine. This year we got the full cow (the inlaws bought 1/4 of it). We just picked it up from the butcher tuesday, threw it in the freezer and finally got around to inventorying it. A full 1/2 of the beef is ground. Of a 600lb (hanging weight) cow we ended up with 200lbs of ground beef And of course we're missing all sorts of other stuff (no skirt steaks, only 5lbs of porterhouses, etc). I've texted the farmer, though I'm sure it's not their fault. I'll be calling the butcher first thing in the morning and raising hell because that's absurd, it comes out to be $5.00/lb for ground beef, WTF. Can you think of any good reason they would do this? WWYD?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 0:47:31 GMT
Something definitely wrong. Hope the butcher makes it right for you. I assume that you know that the hanging weight includes the waste so if you netted around 480 pounds that is a lot of ground beef.
I've done this a couple of times now and depending on the size of the quarter, I've gotten 30-40 pounds ground beef.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 0:51:11 GMT
Yeah, we know that the net weight is only about 400lbs and we expected a total of 120-ish pounds of ground beef for a full cow, not almost double that!
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Post by kotn on Aug 29, 2014 0:52:06 GMT
Did you talk to the butcher before you had it processed? I always talk to the butcher and tell them how I want it processed so I get what I want.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Aug 29, 2014 0:56:51 GMT
We have an empty, unplugged stand-up freezer and have considered heavily buying half a cow like you have. I am really sorry this happened. This is not something I would have even considered happening. I think sending an email would be best, because then you have a good record of correspondence as this is worked out.
I do have a question for those who have done this before: how well does the meat last in regards to time in the freezer and freezer-burn?
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Post by akathy on Aug 29, 2014 0:58:06 GMT
Did you talk to the butcher before you had it processed? I always talk to the butcher and tell them how I want it processed so I get what I want. ^^^^This^^^^^ i haven't gotten beef by the half or quarter for a long time but used to quite a bit. I always talked to the butcher so he knew what I wanted.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 29, 2014 1:08:48 GMT
A friend does this and always has a "list" for the butcher.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 1:11:38 GMT
Since the OP has done this before and said she is missing requested items, I assumed she gave the butcher her list of cuts.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 1:23:23 GMT
Yes I did give them a list of cuts. I had to do it over tht phone because our internet was out that day, but they included a copy with the order and everything was written down as I requested (excepting th missing skirt steak, that may have been my fault, I can't say for sure on that one).
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Post by straggler on Aug 29, 2014 1:25:52 GMT
Beef purchased for the freezer is usually wrapped so as to retard freezer burn. But if left in a freezer long enough, it will eventually develop freezer burn. Quantity to purchase should depend on your family size, how much beef/pork, etc., you normally eat. Personally, I don't like meat kept frozen over 6-9 months. I think it begins to develop an "odd" flavor and smell. Many disagree with me, but my nose can tell the difference clear across the kitchen!
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Post by purplebee on Aug 29, 2014 1:26:36 GMT
We raise and process our own beef, in fact just put one in the freezer last week. Does the butcher who processed the beef do other butchering too? If so, are you sure you got your beef/order? I can't imagine a butcher knowingly putting a large portion of a top beef into hamburger, unless the owner specifically requested it. I would make sure and call or go into the butcher, tell him your concern, and ask if there is a chance that you got someone else's order.
And for the pp who inquired about how long beef will keep its quality in a freezer, we have beef that is over a year old that still tastes great and has no freezer burn. But our freezer is good, and the meat is properly processed and wrapped.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 1:34:32 GMT
We raise and process our own beef, in fact just put one in the freezer last week. Does the butcher who processed the beef do other butchering too? If so, are you sure you got your beef/order? I can't imagine a butcher knowingly putting a large portion of a top beef into hamburger, unless the owner specifically requested it. I would make sure and call or go into the butcher, tell him your concern, and ask if there is a chance that you got someone else's order. And for the pp who inquired about how long beef will keep its quality in a freezer, we have beef that is over a year old that still tastes great and has no freezer burn. But our freezer is good, and the meat is properly processed and wrapped. Yes, they do a lot of butchering for various customers/farmers/hunters. I'm going to approach it as "perhaps it was a mix up with another customer" but really my name was all over this stuff. Each package (aside from the ground, which was Ina bag) had my name, each bag had my name twice, each order sheet had my name. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was a simple error, but they need to make it right somehow
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 2:07:26 GMT
Btw, what kind of resolution seems logical in this situation? They can't ungrind the meat. Even of they gave us full credit for the processing that was just a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the beef. In full the whole thing cost us over $2k, that's some very expensive ground beef that will take us a long time to use up, and may even go bad before we could use it all up (at the rate we use ground beef we're talking 2-3 years :-o).
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Post by purplebee on Aug 29, 2014 2:27:01 GMT
Johnnysmom, if they are indeed in the wrong as to how they processed your beef, perhaps they would be willing to trade out some of your ground beef for some steaks or good roasts. The porcessing company where we take our beef on the hoof to get slaughtered also processes and sells meat. Maybe your place could give you an option like that. The beef we processed this past weekend was a 3 y/o longhorn steer that we had on grain for about 6 weeks to fatten. He was smaller than we usually butcher, and we netted about 400 lbs. of beef. We ended up with 25 lbs. of hamburger. Do you have any friends or neighbors who might be willing to buy some of your burger just to get it off your hands? Of course you won't be able to recoup the cost of that high end ground beef, but you would at least get back some of your investment.
Hope you can find a solution.
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Post by gale w on Aug 29, 2014 2:28:08 GMT
When we get a calf butchered, we give the butcher a list of what we want and how many in a package for each thing. Did they give you the option to do this?
If you keep it frozen at 0 degrees it should stay edible for a long time. I've used beef (ground and otherwise) that was in the freezer for 2-3 yrs and it was fine.
eta: Just read again and see that you did give them a list. I would definitely ask them to swap out ground beef for cuts that you're missing, but they may not be allowed to take meat back that has been out of the facility.
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2014 4:20:28 GMT
We have an empty, unplugged stand-up freezer and have considered heavily buying half a cow like you have. I am really sorry this happened. This is not something I would have even considered happening. I think sending an email would be best, because then you have a good record of correspondence as this is worked out. I do have a question for those who have done this before: how well does the meat last in regards to time in the freezer and freezer-burn? It depends on type of the freezer. The best type of storage freezer is a "deep freeze" freezer that is NOT self defrosting. They are a nuisance in that if you live in a high humidity location once a year you need to unplug and defrost the freezer, or the ice build-up makes it less effective. But, the temperature is consistent and keeps meat and other items 2-3 times longer than self-defrosting freezers, which are self -defrosting by warming up and then freezing down again automatically. Food stays good for shorter periods of time in this type of freezer, and is more prone to freezer burn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 5:36:17 GMT
We share one with my parents every year, and we always give the butcher a list of what we need, and the rest goes into ground beef. Hope you're able to figure things out!
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 14:58:35 GMT
So according to the butcher it's because the beef was young/small and hadn't developed enough to produce good "choice beef". Does that make sense to anyone?
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Post by shevy on Aug 29, 2014 15:36:24 GMT
Then they should have contacted you to see if you wanted to chance it it go with the burger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:49:27 GMT
So according to the butcher it's because the beef was young/small and hadn't developed enough to produce good "choice beef". Does that make sense to anyone? Even if that was the case - and it seems strange to me because the weights you are quoting are much larger than the cows are around here - they should have contacted you if they were not able to fulfill your order as you requested and decide where to go from there. You should have and the option whether or not you wanted to have that much ground. I'd never use that processor again and would advise friends/family against it. Buying a whole or part animal is an expensive venture and bad processing can totally screw it all up... and there's nothing you can do about it. UGH. I'm sorry.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 29, 2014 15:52:18 GMT
They probably can't "swap" meat - not legally any way. The meat you are having processed is not inspected. The locker can not sell this meat. You are actually buying the meat on the hoof.
I had a dark cutter (locker called me to let me know, but I suspected it before butchering) - so I had it all ground. 600 pounds of hamburger! Holy Shit. I am still using it from 2012! LOL
I can sell beef on the hoof - but I cannot legally sell any process meat (I am a beef producer) unless that beef is USDA inspected. The actual carcass has to be inspected.
What kind of freezer do you have? If it is "frost free" you are not going to have good luck with long term storage (over 6 months at the most). Frost Free freezers are in a constant heat/freeze cycle to keep the frost out of the appliance. NEVER purchase a frost free for storage purposes. It's fine for freezer/fridge combo - but not for a chest or upright type of freezer.
If your freezer has been unplugged and not working for a while, I would plug it in and let it run to see if it is still working. Often when freezers are unplugged and left, they no longer work or not for long.
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Post by Sparki on Aug 29, 2014 16:05:14 GMT
So according to the butcher it's because the beef was young/small and hadn't developed enough to produce good "choice beef". Does that make sense to anyone? I call BS. We usually butcher at 9-12 months old. That means young and tender. We always process our own, because I worry about this happening to us. We sold a steer a couple of years ago to someone who had a bad experience with the processor. I won't recommend that processor anymore - you have to have confidence in them. I just can't see any way to guarantee that the meat we get is the animal we brought in. We raise grass fed, organic meat, and what is to keep the processor from swapping it out with a grain fed animal and selling the higher quality meat for themselves? It's a ton of work, but at least I know the meat is good when we're done. Unfortunately, most people don't have the option (or the time) to do it that way. Maybe, if nothing else, the processor can refund a portion of your money.
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Post by **Angie** on Aug 29, 2014 16:22:56 GMT
Did you talk to the butcher before you had it processed? I always talk to the butcher and tell them how I want it processed so I get what I want. We've had beef butchered for years and never once has the butcher not asked what cuts we want. You said your in-laws bought part - did they talk to the butcher either? Did they get the same cuts?
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Post by eleezybeth on Aug 29, 2014 17:35:23 GMT
So according to the butcher it's because the beef was young/small and hadn't developed enough to produce good "choice beef". Does that make sense to anyone? Confused... They give you what you brought in, how you requested it. Not sure why they think it should only be giving prime choice meats in return. Why wouldn't they call you? Does the rancher know what they said about their product?
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2014 17:48:08 GMT
I thought 600 lbs was about average hanging weight for a steer. How could that be too small for butchering into the different cuts requested? Someone either screwed up the butchering, or they are pulling a bait-and-switch and selling your prime cuts and have given you another cow/steer's ground beef in its place.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 29, 2014 18:23:06 GMT
The thing is we just tell them what we want and how we want it packaged (ie, steaks 1" thick and 2/pack, roast 4lb/pack, etc), not how many total. I did text the farmer with the update as we know it now (that the butcher says the cow wasn't big/old enough). This is what we ended up with, from a whole beef/steer/cow (whatever the PC term is ) Short Ribs: 20 [HASH] Arm Roast: 19 [HASH] Stew Meat: 10 [HASH] Sirloin Tip Steak: 10 [HASH] Chuck Roast: 30 [HASH] Sirloin Steak: 16 [HASH] Round Steak: 19 [HASH] Flank Steak: 1 [HASH] Tbone Steak: 9 [HASH] Porterhouse: 10 [HASH] Standing Rib Roast: 11 [HASH] English Roast: 12 [HASH] Rolled Rump Roast: 14 [HASH] Rib Steak: 4 [HASH] Brisket: 6 [HASH] _________________ 189 [HASH] Ground Beef: 200 [HASH] Plus we got all the misc crap like the liver, heart, tongue (don't ask me why, my husband requested it) and soup bones.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 29, 2014 20:54:52 GMT
If it was young - it is possible that it doesn't have a good marble, but I am guessing by the weight, it wasn't super young.
We do not implant. The only way you can get a market weight animal in 9 months is to implant and that will reduce the quality of the meat. It is a proven fact that implanted beef grades at a lower quality. That doesn't mean you won't get a good beef, but you do run the change of NOT getting a good beef if you are getting it from someone who implants and feeds a really hot ration.
Our beef is feed without any hormone implants and it takes about 18 months to get a market weight steer. None of this goes to the grocery store, I can guarantee that. It all goes to European export. We get a hefty premium for feeding this way. Our beef has a much deeper marbling that implanted and quickly fattened beef.
Ask your producer if he feeds DDGs (distillers grain - byproduct of the ethanol industry) - if his ration is based around it, I personally feel that the meat quality is greatly diminished.
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Post by gale w on Aug 29, 2014 21:16:34 GMT
Same here-usually around 18 mos (we don't know for certain since we buy feeder calves). The one dh took today had a hanging weight of about 700 lbs and that was typical. Our cattle get pasture or hay until a few weeks before butcher, when they also get grain that we grow ourselves.
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Post by straggler on Aug 30, 2014 14:39:35 GMT
The processor isn't responsible for the "grade" of the product. His job is to process, cut and package your beef under sanitary conditions to your specifications. It is not his job to determine the grade of the beef. He certainly could have called and discussed his opinion, to see how you wanted him to proceed, but I think he screwed up and doesn't want to admit it. Bad business practice on his part.
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Post by melanell on Aug 30, 2014 14:49:54 GMT
I don't know one single thing about beef. Nada. But I agree with sraggler in terms of all business.
If your customer comes in with instructions for how they want you to provide them with your services, and you are unable to do that for any reason at all, you should communicate that issue to your customer before continuing.
Whether you're an artist, a butcher, a mechanic, whatever. You don't just decide to do your own thing with someone else's property and hope they'll be fine with your choice. (Unless of course they told you from the get go to use your own judgment.)
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