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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:21:57 GMT
Last night on Facebook Live I watched a panel discussion on “Fake News and First Amendment”
It was co-sponsored by a state college and the local newspaper. The panel consisted of a member of the paper’s editorial staff, a guy who runs a First Amendment collation, a lawyer specializing in First Amendment rights, a Political Science teacher at the college, and a woman who’s expertise was social media.
The panel discussed what we have discussed on the board at various times. Like for many people Facebook is their sole source for news as opposed to the 19 mainstream media outlets. We’ve switch from reason to emotion when we digest the information we receive. We very rarely check our sources and 59% of us share this information with others. Meaning a lot of misinformation gets scared.
During the discussion the Political Science teacher made a comment that I have been pondering on and off since I heard it. He said one of his challenges was teaching judgment. He went on and asked how do you teach judgment? The context was how many people get duped by fake news.
I assumed we “learned” as we go through life. Some learn it better than others.
But is this something that can be taught in our colleges? Is it already and I’m just late to the party?
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 20, 2017 22:36:28 GMT
That is a great question. Recently another poster shared a news article from a site I had never hear of before. When I looked at the other headlines from the source, it led me to believe that the article posted might not be very credible. I could easily check Snopes and find that the other articles were either lies or completely taken out of context. I was pretty sure the article was untrue. The following day I saw the article posted on a credible site. So it was true (apparently).
For me, my spidey senses start tingling when I read something that doesn't make sense. I do this with both sides of the media and not just left or right sides. I currently believe that there are so many sites out there trying to get your views that headlines have become unreliable. I would say the at least half of what I read is an absolute lie or spin. I don't know that judgement can be taught, but leaning how to find more credible sites or how to fact check is important. Almost any conversation I start at my house that is political starts with "I read, but I don't know for sure. It is sad that I feel I have to do this. Now if I am watching a speech or read a tweet, I feel much more comfortable stating my opinion.
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Post by petenthusiast on Sept 20, 2017 23:41:57 GMT
I teach judgment as j-u-d-g-m-en-t ⚖️
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Post by kate on Sept 20, 2017 23:50:06 GMT
It is taught in my kids' middle school as part of their library/research curriculum. College seems a bit late to me!
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Post by scrapaddie on Sept 21, 2017 1:23:04 GMT
It is a part of what is called critical thinking. Teaching it is tricky because students have feel free to be wrong sometimes. And they always want to Know the RIGHT answer.
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Post by txdancermom on Sept 21, 2017 1:54:44 GMT
I think it should be before college. our children need to learn from an early age to think critically and question things. from what I have seen lately, in school they are taught to memorize things and not question why something is or the what or why. My kids had a wonderful teacher in high school that encouraged that kind of thinking.
we can start by teaching our kids that just because you see something on the internet does not make it true, verify things that don't seem right and dispute things that are wrong.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 21, 2017 3:03:45 GMT
I think it should be before college. our children need to learn from an early age to think critically and question things. from what I have seen lately, in school they are taught to memorize things and not question why something is or the what or why. My kids had a wonderful teacher in high school that encouraged that kind of thinking. we can start by teaching our kids that just because you see something on the internet does not make it true, verify things that don't seem right and dispute things that are wrong. My experiences with current state standards are exactly the opposite. We are teaching critical thinking to the extent that it is freaking out parents (think math problems). I taught fifth grade and they were expected to look at pieces of writing critically. We started with looking at commercials on television and went from there. Critical thinking was expected in all of the subjects. State and national tests reflected these standards. I think the problem lies (politically) where oftentimes a person feels strongly about an issue does not want to accept opposing views and facts. Just reading what feels morally comfortable to them is where they stay. I have friends (on both sides of issues) that post the (IMO) dumbest things and then are shocked when people post a Snopes article stating something was not true. For me, common sense must be the beginning. When the article about HRC and the pizza place appeared, my common sense said that isn't what she has ever stood for. How could this be true? It becomes more challenging when someone who says hateful, obnoxious things goes beyond what I believe they could do. Sometimes my common sense is wrong and sometimes it is right.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 21, 2017 3:51:56 GMT
I don't know that judgement can be taught, but leaning how to find more credible sites or how to fact check is important. I don't know... I'm older, so I didn't grow up with the internet at the tip of my fingers. I learned how to look up information from the few sources we had (dictionary, encyclopedia, library) and I guess I trusted that these sources were credible. I've always liked to read, that's probably part of it, and I went into a science field, so I'm heavy into skepticism and evidence. Show me your proof for something, then I'll believe you. Nowadays, people grow up practically with an idevice attached to their hand, so any information (right or wrong) is all right there, at their fingertips. Ask a question, get a screen full of answers instantly. How DO you teach them to know that the top Google response to their question isn't always the correct one? It seems like people want things quickest, or easiest, and don't worry so much about verifying that it's CORRECT or credible. Are we just in too much of a hurry? ETA: I don't remember learning 'critical thinking' per se when I was in school, but then again, it was a small town school in the 1970s-80s. College seems quite a bit TOO LATE, in my opinion, to be learning those skills. I'm glad to read that these kinds of skills ARE being taught in school. Maybe the difference is if it's something you have a strong 'belief' about, then emotion overrides evidence? The pizza restaurant story is a good example of that, like someone already said- it just didn't *sound* like something Hillary Clinton would be involved in (to me, anyway- some people would believe ANYTHING about her, I think) but some people didn't believe it, even after they learned the restaurant didn't even HAVE A BASEMENT! Even with evidence right in front of them, that wasn't enough to change some people's opinions. <--- is that an example of judgement? or something else?
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Post by lisae on Sept 21, 2017 12:10:18 GMT
Like for many people Facebook is their sole source for news as opposed to the 19 mainstream media outlets. I haven't read the other responses but I find it amazing that anyone gets their 'news' from Facebook. It's social media. You see what your friends are up to (if you can believe what they post). I participate in some scrapbooking, cardmaking groups but that is dissatisfying as I can't Pin from Facebook. Granted, I think Facebook is the poorest designed of all social media but it is easy to see that so much of what is there is just junk. The cluttered interface does nothing to inspire confidence that you are going to find quality information on their site.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 21, 2017 12:29:20 GMT
People can be taught critical thinking, but our disconnect happens when there are certain topics that are off-limits. Some people freak out because "if my kids learn to question everything, what if they question ME? What if they question our political beliefs? What if they question...gasp...our RELIGION?" And so some people fight against the teaching of critical thinking because once you start thinking critically, you do start to question authority and sometimes you come to different conclusions than those that others might want you to have.
I teach newspaper, and we've talked about this extensively. How do you recognize fake news? How do you recognize bias? How can you tell if a source is reliable? Which sources have credibility and which ones don't? The first thing I tell them is - if someone makes a claim, ask yourself WHY they want you to believe the claim. Are they hoping to profit in some way? Can the claim be backed up by data and evidence? And are there any parts of their claim that make you say hmmmmm....that doesn't sound quite right. One of my students is working on a series where she will write a story that is silly/ridiculous and then at the very end reveal that it's all fake - and ask the reader why they believed it, did they question it, what were the signs that it may not be a true story? The first one is about the reason why some of the student restrooms have been locked for a while. Of course there are logical, boring reasons (they are doing some repairs on the plumbing) but the students would rather believe crazy rumors. So she's going to run with that.
I've been kind of in a quandary with this class. I really, really don't want to bring political things into it. But the Russia story is shaping up to be the biggest news story in decades, perhaps in US history. There are so many good lessons - credibility, how to use anonymous sources and remain reliable, investigative vs. access journalism, the tenacity of the reporters who are digging and digging and getting these scoops. I hate to bring it up because I'm sure at least a couple of students might have family who are Trump supporters and they will take it as an attack on 'their guy.' But it's kind of turning into the elephant in the room, that we can talk about anything but the biggest story.
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 21, 2017 13:10:51 GMT
I have a teenager still at home, I ask this once a week.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 21, 2017 14:09:18 GMT
People can be taught critical thinking, but our disconnect happens when there are certain topics that are off-limits. Some people freak out because "if my kids learn to question everything, what if they question ME? What if they question our political beliefs? What if they question...gasp...our RELIGION?" And so some people fight against the teaching of critical thinking because once you start thinking critically, you do start to question authority and sometimes you come to different conclusions than those that others might want you to have. I teach newspaper, and we've talked about this extensively. How do you recognize fake news? How do you recognize bias? How can you tell if a source is reliable? Which sources have credibility and which ones don't? The first thing I tell them is - if someone makes a claim, ask yourself WHY they want you to believe the claim. Are they hoping to profit in some way? Can the claim be backed up by data and evidence? And are there any parts of their claim that make you say hmmmmm....that doesn't sound quite right. One of my students is working on a series where she will write a story that is silly/ridiculous and then at the very end reveal that it's all fake - and ask the reader why they believed it, did they question it, what were the signs that it may not be a true story? The first one is about the reason why some of the student restrooms have been locked for a while. Of course there are logical, boring reasons (they are doing some repairs on the plumbing) but the students would rather believe crazy rumors. So she's going to run with that. I've been kind of in a quandary with this class. I really, really don't want to bring political things into it. But the Russia story is shaping up to be the biggest news story in decades, perhaps in US history. There are so many good lessons - credibility, how to use anonymous sources and remain reliable, investigative vs. access journalism, the tenacity of the reporters who are digging and digging and getting these scoops. I hate to bring it up because I'm sure at least a couple of students might have family who are Trump supporters and they will take it as an attack on 'their guy.' But it's kind of turning into the elephant in the room, that we can talk about anything but the biggest story. This might be controversial but I think religion is part of the problem. It teaches you to believe the bible or what ever book unconditionally.
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