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Post by Skellinton on Sept 22, 2017 2:08:59 GMT
In all my years of teaching I have never had a child flat out run from me (while laughing) when I try to talk to them. Until today. Said child, let's call her Myrtle, kept breaking a standard playground rule and was reminded once and warned if it was repeated she would have to sit in the bench for a few minutes, Myrtle looked right at me, smiled and broke the rule again. I asked her to go sit in the bench and she ran away and hid under the bridge in the play structure.
I did all the teacher talking I knew to do, but every five seconds she would look at me and smile and run to a new very difficult place on the play structure difficult for anyone over three feet to get to. This went on for about 5 minutes and it was time for us to line up to go to music, I figured when Myrtle lined up I would keep her in class instead of letting her go to music. She refused to line up even after all the kids were in line. I couldn't leave her outside, so I was really lost as what to do.
What do you do when this happens? I have had runners before, but they were kids with IEPS and had a para with them. Myrtle was frankly just being a pill. She is normally ok, not the best behaved kid in class, but typically easy to redirect and deal with. i just didn't know how to handle this and was really upset and embarrassed by the entire situation.
I only finally got her when she ran out because another kid was leaving the line to get Myrtle's water bottle and Myrtle went to grab it first. At that time I was able to grab her hand and she did walk with me, crying and screaming the entire time.
Please be kind. I am really upset about this and worried about dealing with a similar situation tomorrow.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 22, 2017 2:11:25 GMT
I have no idea what to tell you. I taught 12th grade and college. I hope others have some solid help to give you. HUGS you are an awesome teacher for trying to figure out what to do!!
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Post by pondrunner on Sept 22, 2017 2:15:54 GMT
How old is this child?
Do you have a classroom assistant?
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Post by Dixie Lou on Sept 22, 2017 2:21:18 GMT
What grade?
I teach first grade. If i had a child do what you described I would ignore her for the time being. I also would have grabbed her hand like you said you did when you had the opportunity. If it were me and I didn't have that chance to take her hand then I would have called the office and they would have sent someone to help. That happened many times with an autistic child that I had last year.
When I got my students to music I would take her with me and call her parent. Then she would not be going to recess for the rest of the week (at least.) At our school I'd have to find a place for her to be which for me would be a kindergarten room.
I'd also mention it to our principal or assistant principal and if they wanted me to write her up, I would. But otherwise I'd just make her miss recess for a good while.
Several years ago I had what I called the "red list.' It was really just a stack of red post-it notes. If someone didn't line up after recess (though I never had anyone other than an autistic child act like yours did today) their name would go on the red list. They didn't get to play at recess the next day. It only happened a few times. I know some say that you shouldn't take recess away from a child but I disagree. My students go to PE RIGHT after recess so they will get plenty of activity (45 minutes per day) anyway and I do not take recess away for ADHD type behaviors. Kids in my class can flip around all they want as long as they are listening and not disturbing others.
Bratty behavior like you had today is not your fault. You have no reason to be embarrassed! I hope you are supported at your school when students misbehave.
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Post by alexa11 on Sept 22, 2017 2:28:55 GMT
I taught 7th grade so I never had runners. Myrtle needs consequences- did you keep her out of Music? Of course, that's just punishment for you... Have you talked to her parent(s)? Any way to keep her in from recess tomorrow? That was blatant disrespect and she needs to learn that you won't tolerate it. How's your admin? Any consequences in place for this type of behavior?
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 22, 2017 2:39:38 GMT
What grade? I teach first grade. If i had a child do what you described I would ignore her for the time being. I also would have grabbed her hand like you said you did when you had the opportunity. If it were me and I didn't have that chance to take her hand then I would have called the office and they would have sent someone to help. That happened many times with an autistic child that I had last year. When I got my students to music I would take her with me and call her parent. Then she would not be going to recess for the rest of the week (at least.) At our school I'd have to find a place for her to be which for me would be a kindergarten room. I'd also mention it to our principal or assistant principal and if they wanted me to write her up, I would. But otherwise I'd just make her miss recess for a good while. Several years ago I had what I called the "red list.' It was really just a stack of red post-it notes. If someone didn't line up after recess (though I never had anyone other than an autistic child act like yours did today) their name would go on the red list. They didn't get to play at recess the next day. It only happened a few times. I know some say that you shouldn't take recess away from a child but I disagree. My students go to PE RIGHT after recess so they will get plenty of activity (45 minutes per day) anyway and I do not take recess away for ADHD type behaviors. Kids in my class can flip around all they want as long as they are listening and not disturbing others. Bratty behavior like you had today is not your fault. You have no reason to be embarrassed! I hope you are supported at your school when students misbehave. all of this. I would have ignored the behavior on the playground because you rarely win power struggles in the moment. Then followed up. She would not go to recess for a while. |
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 22, 2017 3:02:15 GMT
I would have ignored it unless I could have caught her (and then what). I also would have called the parents (perhaps both) and discussed what happened. Using logic, she can't handle being outside for a few days, so she could stay inside. She could earn back the privilege to go outside. See what her parents think.
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Post by craftymom101 on Sept 22, 2017 3:11:15 GMT
I am not a teacher (I am a substitute), but at our school (a classical charter school) all I would have had to do is call down to the front office with the walkie and someone from administration will walk down to retrieve the child. Even though I am only a sub, our administration will respond to any/all requests from teachers to assist in dealing with difficult children. Fortunately this school doesn't have major behavior problems so they don't have to intervene often, but it does happen. Usually then the child stays in the office for the rest of the day and the child's parent is called.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Sept 22, 2017 3:28:21 GMT
I'm not a teacher, but one of the volunteer hats I wore was lunch monitor, for 9 years, while my kids were in elementary school. A student taunting a teacher or adult volunteer, would have been an immediate walkie talkie call to the principal on duty. {Hugs} to you.
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Post by kate on Sept 22, 2017 3:35:00 GMT
Are you outdoors alone with a whole class for recess? That would scare the pants off me. Our kids are never out with fewer than two teachers, and usually there are 3-4 (2 classes have recess together).
I would have been calling for help, for sure. Myrtle would not be attending recess tomorrow, and her parents would be told why.
I rarely have recess duty, and you're making me thank my lucky stars. I'm sorry you had to deal with that situation.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 22, 2017 4:10:24 GMT
Parents should be told and made aware child will miss recess if she continues to break the rules. Don’t grab her hand. Don’t take away recess without first getting principal and parents involved. Start by asking your principal how they’d like you to handle it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 4:23:00 GMT
Sorry! Some good advice here about getting help and making admin aware.
{hug}
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Post by stacmac on Sept 22, 2017 4:29:49 GMT
I have had a stduent like his before. If there's really no other issues, I would ignore the behaviour when it happens then implement a more severe consequence when the incident is over. Then reinforce this: every time she runs she might have a detention or a lunch picking up papers as opposed to what ever other little consequence she was getting originally. Obviously this would need to be explained to her first  this approach might not work for everyone, but my teaching style is very much about ignoring or avoiding confrontational and taking he 'power' away, then following up later. Don't feel upset, she was being a real pain by the sound of it! Edited to add: at the time I would have been calling for help for someone to come out with her when the rest of us had to go into class. |
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Post by Merge on Sept 22, 2017 8:59:04 GMT
I would need to know how old the child is to speak specifically about it. This is, sadly, not totally uncommon behavior in the schools where I’ve taught. More common in kids who are on the spectrum, but also possible with ODD or just a troubled kid who acts out for attention.
(Just a note - I’m generally not in favor of withholding music class for behavior infractions or to make up incomplete work. I teach a real subject just like math or English, and if kids are held out they will fall behind.)
Generally speaking, I agree with those who suggested using a walkie to call for admin help. If for some reason you don’t have a walkie outside with you (dangerous IMO but I realize not every school deals with the behavior issues we have) send a trusted student to the office to get someone.
I also agree that power struggles are a bad idea. Sometimes we get into them unintentionally when a child refuses a basic and reasonable request.
Now that you know this child is likely to show this behavior again (because she is), admin should put a plan in place for how you deal with a behavior problem that is also a safety issue.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 22, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
The next time, corrall Myrtle right before it's time to go in.not much you could do the first time. Praise the kids who do line up. If you have another adult with you, one of you can line up the kids and the other can prevent anyone from getting on or under the play structure. That's what we do with kdg.
Me? I keep a bag of skittles or gummies and give one to the ones who line up.
ETA: and if you are alone, tell adm that you need another adult. One can walk the other kids inside while the other deals with the culprit.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 22, 2017 9:34:34 GMT
Surely you weren't alone out there with the class, were you? That would be a violation here...we're required to always have at least two adults on the playground. If we had a kid like that we would call the office and someone -- counselor or principal -- would come out and deal with it. And the kid had better hope it's not the principal!  She is pretty fierce. lol (or not-lol if you're the kid in trouble). I hate keeping kids from recess but in your case where you said they have PE immediately afterwards....well they'll be getting their exercise at that point. For whoever suggested keeping the kid from music...please don't. The only one who should be suggesting that option is the music teacher (like if the kid is completely disruptive in that class also). |
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Post by shescrafty on Sept 22, 2017 11:12:43 GMT
I don't think you could have done anything differently except at the end of she didn't line up then I would have walkied in to the office and gotten help.
And when the class went to music she and I would be on the phone calling a parent. The next day she would have lost recess because what she was doing was dangerous.
What did you end up doing as a consequence and did you get admin involved? We just got a new principal and I don't know how she would react, but our old principal would have made that kid come to her office for a few days and really nailed in the idea that what she did was not ok.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Sept 22, 2017 11:38:20 GMT
This happened to my Sons Kindergarten teacher last week (she is an amazing teacher). She said I will not chase around a student and had the principal handle it. She told the principal he is not allowed back into class without a meeting with the parents. Granted he also stuck up his middle finger too!!! Yes Kindergarten! My sons teacher was adamant he cannot come back until she met face to face with the parent. He did not come back in for almost two days.
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Post by SabrinaP on Sept 22, 2017 11:56:59 GMT
I would be on the phone with that kid's mom that day after school. That's not acceptable and her consequence would probably have her only getting to do things of my choice at recess until she could be trusted.
If a student continued to be defiant, running from me, etc, I would be calling the principal to come and get them and deal with them.
I would also start documenting behavior because what you describe could be the sign of more serious behavior problems.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 22, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
After the second time our teachers would call the vice principal out on their walkie talkies. It's difficult because so many kids are given permission to be disruptive these days it's hard to know what to do.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 22, 2017 13:56:32 GMT
I'm not a teacher, but I'd go through whatever channels are necessary to deny her recess tomorrow. If she does it again, same result - no recess the next day.
Good luck!
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Post by ferblover on Sept 22, 2017 14:07:26 GMT
Must have been the day for runners yesterday! I had the kindergarten class of 13 kids yesterday for their recess. I know one name as it is not my regular class. When the kid ran from me because he was scared about his "bad" behavior I did not chase him. Normally I can call the office for back up( for kindies we often only have 1 person with them) if I am alone but yesterday, his fellow classmates ran after him and tried to circle him and capture him. The whole incident was just plain funny. In my case he did get in line at whistle and I was able to drop him at the office on the way back to the classroom. If he had not and refused to come in I would have used the walkie talkie and called for back up.
If you continually act up and are removed from class, you are removed from class no matter the subject. Music, math, art,social studies, etc you miss out on class to sit in the office until you speak with a principal. In some cases you can go back to class but in some they call down for work for the rest of the day.
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 22, 2017 14:16:05 GMT
(((hugs))) While not an educator, I've had this experience as a parent volunteer. I have an only child, so juggling a dozen young children with at least one challenging/disrespectful/defiant child was overwhelming!
Given the little girl smiled as she disobeyed, I wonder if she is used to playing a game of chase with parents, grandparents, &/or caretaker. Perhaps she says or does something that gets their attention, then runs to prompt them to chase her: she's never scolded for the initial behavior & doesn't realize it's wrong. If so, you'll need to explain to & remind her & her parents that it's not acceptable behavior at school.
Good luck!
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Post by cade387 on Sept 22, 2017 15:38:56 GMT
My youngest seems to think this is funny right now in 3-3.5 age. I hate it. I'm really trying to break him of this now, but I can only imagine it is a pain as a teacher with other kids to worry about. I'm hoping someone here has good advice too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 18:47:48 GMT
Taser?
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 22, 2017 20:06:33 GMT
Sorry - that is a tough situation. I'm not sure I would have known how to handle it either. I think calling for help is the best option, since you have a big responsibility to the rest of the class who is doing the right thing.
I think in our school the teachers call in the Asst Principal.
Recess though is a zoo at our school with 2 aides watching the entire grade.
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Post by perumbula on Sept 22, 2017 20:21:25 GMT
I would report her to her classroom teacher. She should be denied recess at least one time for her behavior.
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Post by miss_lizzie on Sept 22, 2017 20:49:27 GMT
How was she today?
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Post by scrappychick on Sept 22, 2017 20:53:04 GMT
A few things would happen at our elementary. Firstly, there is always a walkie talkie and first aid kit out on the playground. It's kept in the nurses office-each class checks for it before heading out. If it's already out there, it stays out with the new group. The nurse and office both respond if you need to call in. If that isn't happening at your school, then it needs to be put in place immediately.
If I were in your situation, I would have handled it the same way. While it's generally not ok to put our hands on a child, it must be done if the child is behaving in an unsafe manner. She would be taken right to the office, and written up. Her parents would be called, and she would either be kept from recess for the next few days, or given an in-school suspension. Her behavior was completely unacceptable, disruptive, disrespectful, and posed a danger to herself and her other classmates. I'm sorry you were put in a position to have to deal with that.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 22, 2017 21:13:06 GMT
Parents should be told and made aware child will miss recess if she continues to break the rules. Don’t grab her hand. Don’t take away recess without first getting principal and parents involved. Start by asking your principal how they’d like you to handle it. We never asked the principal for permission to withhold recess. It is a privilege for kids who make smart choices. It is also a time for kids to make up work that they didn't do, take a test from when they were absent, or suffer a consequence. All kids got lunch recess unless the principal took that away. |
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this approach might not work for everyone, but my teaching style is very much about ignoring or avoiding confrontational and taking he 'power' away, then following up later.
She is pretty fierce. lol (or not-lol if you're the kid in trouble). 
