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Post by dulcemama on Oct 8, 2017 16:23:46 GMT
how did you know that it was time to seek help?
DD is 13 and has been expressing a lot of fears/anxiety recently. Much of what she talks about are things that the typical 13 year old would start thinking about...social issues, how others see her, embarrassing herself etc. Thing is, she seems to be very intense about this stuff. Also, DD has a history of PANDAS and is a bit of a perfectionist by nature.
Thanks for any insight, or thoughts you can share. I have to go right now but will be back later.
Update: We have been to DD's primary and to 2 visits at the counseling center - one for intake and one with the counselor that she will be seeing. With all of the questions at the intake, it came out that DD has been having mild panic attacks at school and she also scored high for generalized anxiety. At this point, she will be seeing the counselor every other week and we will take it from there. The counselor she is seeing specializes in anxiety so I think we are in good hands.
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Post by Merge on Oct 8, 2017 16:26:38 GMT
I think talking with her pediatrician or GP is a good place to start. We did, and she prescribed a low dose of an anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication for my daughter this year (she's 16). We probably should have asked about it sooner. DD has been feeling much better - it took a couple of months for the meds to really do their work, but she does notice a difference now.
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Post by bearmom on Oct 8, 2017 17:10:57 GMT
I’m not sure, but I wish we would have sought better help sooner and kept with it longer.
Dd’s freshman year of high school we noticed she would have panic attacks and we took her to see someone and it wasn’t the best fit. She went for a semester and then was deemed okay and she seemed to have better control of her anxiety. Little did her dad and I realize it was the start of an eating disorder.
Now she is a freshman in college and still struggling. There was a point that dh and I weren’t sure going away would be the best thing for her.
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Post by delilahtwo on Oct 8, 2017 17:25:02 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time.
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Post by destined2bmom on Oct 8, 2017 17:29:06 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time. I hope you find someone who can really help her.
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2017 17:34:06 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time. I agree. What's the worst that can happen? Someone says: "she's a normal 13 year old girl with normal 13 year old issues." If you're concerned about how she'll understand this, just say: "I just want to make sure you have the coping mechanisms that you need to deal with anxiety and stress." Kids now are under so much more than we ever were. Social media, increased pressure to get into good colleges, 24 hour news cycle with nothing but bad news etc..... it's a different world than we grew up in.
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Post by yoursweetwhimsy on Oct 8, 2017 17:52:17 GMT
This is going to sound crazy but my son and I both suffer from stomach issues and anxiety. We have tried an elimination diet for the past several months and have both found that gluten is a huge factor in the anxiety symptoms for both of us. We have felt soooo much better since we've taken it out of our diet. I wouldn't have even thought to try it if I hadn't seen people with anxiety benefit from it in a facebook group I'm in.
This is not the cure all and will surely not work for all people, but it's made a huge difference for us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 17:55:35 GMT
Dds anxiety started at about age 3 and when she was 6.5 yrs we finally had to go seek help. She has generalized childhood onset anxiety along with Aspergers, ocd, spd.
For her it got so bad that even therapy wasnt helping. (Floortime, pcit, play therapy) so we added in risperidone and then tenex.
She came off both a year ago and has been doing well. Still has anxiety BUT all the years of therapy (6 total) she has a good handle on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 17:57:44 GMT
how did you know that it was time to seek help? DD is 13 and has been expressing a lot of fears/anxiety recently. Much of what she talks about are things that the typical 13 year old would start thinking about...social issues, how others see her, embarrassing herself etc. Thing is, she seems to be very intense about this stuff. Also, DD has a history of PANDAS and is a bit of a perfectionist by nature. Thanks for any insight, or thoughts you can share. I have to go right now but will be back later. Did she receive iv antibiotic therapy for PANDAS? Did she eve have a full psych eval to rule out autism? A friends child was wrongfully dx with PANDAS and he has high functioning autism.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 17:58:30 GMT
Also, when my daughter is starting her cycle (a few days before it starts) and when she is sick, her anxiety is worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 18:00:06 GMT
This is going to sound crazy but my son and I both suffer from stomach issues and anxiety. We have tried an elimination diet for the past several months and have both found that gluten is a huge factor in the anxiety symptoms for both of us. We have felt soooo much better since we've taken it out of our diet. I wouldn't have even thought to try it if I hadn't seen people with anxiety benefit from it in a facebook group I'm in. This is not the cure all and will surely not work for all people, but it's made a huge difference for us. Dd has Celiacs and has been gf for 4.5 yrs and it didnt help her autism, ocd, or anxiety. That elemination is a hit and miss as you stated.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 8, 2017 18:01:00 GMT
This is going to sound crazy but my son and I both suffer from stomach issues and anxiety. We have tried an elimination diet for the past several months and have both found that gluten is a huge factor in the anxiety symptoms for both of us. We have felt soooo much better since we've taken it out of our diet. I wouldn't have even thought to try it if I hadn't seen people with anxiety benefit from it in a facebook group I'm in. This is not the cure all and will surely not work for all people, but it's made a huge difference for us. Yes, me too! I removed gluten for digestive issues and had no idea the effect it would have on my anxiety and depression. I feel like a new person.
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Post by dulcemama on Oct 8, 2017 18:48:46 GMT
how did you know that it was time to seek help? DD is 13 and has been expressing a lot of fears/anxiety recently. Much of what she talks about are things that the typical 13 year old would start thinking about...social issues, how others see her, embarrassing herself etc. Thing is, she seems to be very intense about this stuff. Also, DD has a history of PANDAS and is a bit of a perfectionist by nature. Thanks for any insight, or thoughts you can share. I have to go right now but will be back later. Did she receive iv antibiotic therapy for PANDAS? Did she eve have a full psych eval to rule out autism? A friends child was wrongfully dx with PANDAS and he has high functioning autism. She did have the antibiotic therapy for PANDAS and we saw immediate results every time she had a flair-up. She has been symptom free for several years now. At the time, her school counselor worked with her and was excellent with her but, no, she has not had a psych eval. Thanks for all you input. I think we will start with a visit to her Dr. and take it from there.
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2017 18:54:24 GMT
This is going to sound crazy but my son and I both suffer from stomach issues and anxiety. We have tried an elimination diet for the past several months and have both found that gluten is a huge factor in the anxiety symptoms for both of us. We have felt soooo much better since we've taken it out of our diet. I wouldn't have even thought to try it if I hadn't seen people with anxiety benefit from it in a facebook group I'm in. This is not the cure all and will surely not work for all people, but it's made a huge difference for us. I'll validate you. I have had anxiety and stomach issues my whole life and, after a bout with gastritis this summer, I feel fantastic off refined sugars and gluten and dairy. I've never felt this good.
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Post by julieb on Oct 8, 2017 19:45:49 GMT
My nephew suffers from anxiety and he takes Holy Basil and swears by it.
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 8, 2017 21:22:19 GMT
Does SHE see it as something she needs/wants help for? Yes, I realize she is only 13 but I think that if she's seeing it as something she needs help managing, it might get more "buy in" from her. I know that at 13, had my parents offered me something to deal with my constant anxiety, I would have jumped at the chance and done everything I could to get it figured out. I spent YEARS with a "nervous stomach" having anxiety from the time I was really small (I distinctly remember in kindergarten shaking and throwing up) until I finally was able to figure out what the hell it was when I was in my early 20's. It's been such a different world for me since I was able to take xanax to take the edge off when I could feel anxiety creeping in.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Oct 8, 2017 21:34:07 GMT
When she told me that the anxiety was so out of control she was having suicidal thoughts. That was at 16 and I should have gotten help way before then. Take your DD to the doctor in case she needs interventions. My DD was instantly referred to psychologist and a psychiatrist who put her on the lowest dosage of Prozac and we have adjusted the dosage over the years but she still needs it at 19.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Oct 8, 2017 21:43:44 GMT
My second twin; youngest son has high anxiety.
We've been working with him on dealing with it for over 2 years now.
I knew something was wrong before dh ever noticed.
He would get really angry and run to the bathroom. At the time, we were working with his older twin as he was having a tough time with bullying so I just thought he was looking for attention. And he was. But I didn't realize it was an issue until he started 6th grade.
In 6th grade he would get mysteriously sick whenever he had to go to a class where he had a lot of reading/writing to do or when he had a big test in a class.
I started making the connection by mid-year. He would be sent to the nurse, who would then contact me, and I'd have to take him home. Once we were home, he was fine.
We had a whole series of tests done by a psychologist as I was wondering if there was a learning disability--he would work so hard but his grades didn't reflect that.
We found out he's dyslexic and has mild ADD along with HIGH anxiety.
We have him in therapy and on meds. He really needs the meds. Without them, he's a mess.
If you're concerned, it doesn't hurt to talk to her ped and see what they say. Seeing a therapist isn't a bad thing, even just to get a handle on the "normal" middle school stuff. It can be hard being a middle schooler (says the middle school teacher of 24 years!). If she gets some strategies under her belt for dealing with stress and anxiety isn't a bad thing.
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Post by txdancermom on Oct 8, 2017 21:48:18 GMT
dd suffers from anxiety, and her periods do affect it, and because she is on meds from a gyn to treat issues with her periods, once the gyn was alerted to her cycle causing additional problems that could not be managed with the anxiety meds, she adjusted the hormone therapy dd was on.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 8, 2017 23:43:06 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time. This and I hate to say it but it's probably beyond time, so don't waste anymore time thinking about it and make an appointment first thing Tuesday morning. My DS grew up with anxiety and ADHD. It was the same thing with us. By the time we got it figured out we wished we'd gotten him help sooner. He'd have stomach aches before school and I hated that he'd suffered with anxiety because I didn't realize what he was going through. He was diagnosed in grade school, is 28 now and still takes anti-anxiety meds. They work wonderfully for him. Think about it-two things will happen out of this-either she'll be diagnosed with anxiety or she won't. Either way you as her mom are doing the best thing you can for her. And please don't even think about beating yourself up for a minute about not doing this any sooner. We as moms do the very best we can. You came here and asked the question so I know you are a great mom. I wish the very best for your daughter!
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Post by eversograceful1 on Oct 9, 2017 0:03:23 GMT
When she had a panic attack before going on a field trip. I'd been noticing the signs for a little while by then but that was the event that finally pushed me into getting her counseling. She was in second grade at the time.
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Post by dulcemama on Oct 10, 2017 14:58:24 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time. This and I hate to say it but it's probably beyond time, so don't waste anymore time thinking about it and make an appointment first thing Tuesday morning. My DS grew up with anxiety and ADHD. It was the same thing with us. By the time we got it figured out we wished we'd gotten him help sooner. He'd have stomach aches before school and I hated that he'd suffered with anxiety because I didn't realize what he was going through. He was diagnosed in grade school, is 28 now and still takes anti-anxiety meds. They work wonderfully for him. Think about it-two things will happen out of this-either she'll be diagnosed with anxiety or she won't. Either way you as her mom are doing the best thing you can for her. And please don't even think about beating yourself up for a minute about not doing this any sooner. We as moms do the very best we can. You came here and asked the question so I know you are a great mom. I wish the very best for your daughter! Thank you for this. When she was diagnosed with PANDAS I really struggled with the question of why I didn't see it sooner.
Dd has an appointment with her primary next week and we were also referred to a counseling center. I will update when I have more to share.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 10, 2017 16:45:00 GMT
If you are asking the question, it's time. This and I hate to say it but it's probably beyond time, so don't waste anymore time thinking about it and make an appointment first thing Tuesday morning. My DS grew up with anxiety and ADHD. It was the same thing with us. By the time we got it figured out we wished we'd gotten him help sooner. He'd have stomach aches before school and I hated that he'd suffered with anxiety because I didn't realize what he was going through. He was diagnosed in grade school, is 28 now and still takes anti-anxiety meds. They work wonderfully for him. Think about it-two things will happen out of this-either she'll be diagnosed with anxiety or she won't. Either way you as her mom are doing the best thing you can for her. And please don't even think about beating yourself up for a minute about not doing this any sooner. We as moms do the very best we can. You came here and asked the question so I know you are a great mom. I wish the very best for your daughter!I completely agree with what I've highlighted
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Post by birukitty on Oct 10, 2017 17:57:55 GMT
Thank you dulcemama and gmcwife1. I came back here worried I'd upset dulcemama by mentioned it might be past the time to get help but I wanted to emphasize how important it was not to wait another second before making the appointment. When I saw there were 2 quotes to my thread I thought, "Uh oh, people are upset by what I said", but it was in fact the opposite. I'm so glad the words were taken in the spirit I had written them.
You're updated news dulcemama with the appointment with your daughter's primary and counseling center are wonderful!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 10, 2017 18:57:55 GMT
Thank you dulcemama and gmcwife1. I came back here worried I'd upset dulcemama by mentioned it might be past the time to get help but I wanted to emphasize how important it was not to wait another second before making the appointment. When I saw there were 2 quotes to my thread I thought, "Uh oh, people are upset by what I said", but it was in fact the opposite. I'm so glad the words were taken in the spirit I had written them. You're updated news dulcemama with the appointment with your daughter's primary and counseling center are wonderful! This is exactly why I try to like first and then quote, I know that little worry!!! Sorry I was in a hurry and forgot my personal rule
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Post by dulcemama on Nov 7, 2017 19:50:54 GMT
Update in the OP for those who are interested.
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Post by RosieKat on Nov 7, 2017 22:50:14 GMT
I just saw the update, and that's "great." Obviously we would ideally wish it away, but next best thing is getting it identified and learning how to deal with it. Thank you for this. When she was diagnosed with PANDAS I really struggled with the question of why I didn't see it sooner. I didn't see this part earlier, and I would say to you and all the others who have similarly beat themselves up...If your kid came with an owner's manual and you disregarded Chapter 18, maybe then you would have a reason to doubt yourself. But kids don't come with owner's manuals, and few of us are pediatric mental health experts. We can wish all we want, but the next best thing we can do is work towards whatever help is necessary for our kids. There's a reason why we're called Warrior Mamas!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 1:28:53 GMT
DD30 experienced anxiety and depression that increased each year. It got really bad at age 13 and we finally had to homeschool her and find a psychiatrist. Beginning in preschool she had separation anxiety (actually, she even had it as an infant!). She went to a University preschool and we agreed to volunteer her for a 3 day I.Q. test in their psych dept. She was extremely intelligent, and was a perfectionist. She had odd fears (the wind, the sun, dogs...) and then it got to the point where she was fearful of going outside her house. She spoke to social workers and psychologists in grade school and then we began to look for professionals. It took a few to find the right one who finally diagnosed her as bipolar 2.
We didn't want to think of our little genius as needing meds and being crippled by cycles of ups and downs, but that's her life. She's on 3 different meds (anti-anxiety, anti-depression, anti-psychotic) and the combination works for her. She finished out high school IN school and went to college. She still has ups and downs but NOTHING like when she was a teen.
I hope that you find the right therapist or psychiatrist or professional to help you put your DD on the right path. Sometimes it's as simple as an Rx. Good luck!
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Post by dulcemama on Nov 8, 2017 13:47:17 GMT
Thank you for sharing your story @bergdorfblonde Funny that you mentioned that your DD was 13 when things got really bad...DD is 13. DD can have some pretty intense fears but it doesn't happen across the board...mostly at school and sometimes when we are out in public. When we were at the counselor's last time, she admitted that she had a great fear of being kidnapped. I had no idea.
I admit that I am pretty hesitant about psychotropic drugs for someone who's brain is still developing but if that is what she needs than there's no arguing with that. At this point, her counselor thinks we can get a handle on things with cognitive behavioral therapy so we are starting there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
Thank you for sharing your story @bergdorfblonde Funny that you mentioned that your DD was 13 when things got really bad...DD is 13. DD can have some pretty intense fears but it doesn't happen across the board...mostly at school and sometimes when we are out in public. When we were at the counselor's last time, she admitted that she had a great fear of being kidnapped. I had no idea.
I admit that I am pretty hesitant about psychotropic drugs for someone who's brain is still developing but if that is what she needs than there's no arguing with that. At this point, her counselor thinks we can get a handle on things with cognitive behavioral therapy so we are starting there. Age 13 is when it REALLY reached a peak. Hormonally, she was maturing at age 9, so I don't think her hormones played a big role. I think that peer pressure, school and all of her mental imbalances kicked in at a high-gear at that age and we took it seriously. She didn't go on the meds until about age 16.... (Forgive me, but my memory has been whacked out because of my own health issues). I hope that you get it all figured out and she gets on the path of more stability soon. You sound like a great, caring mom! One more thing: The 3 meds DD30 has been on have been a blessing. Instead of a seriously depressed, suicidal, agoraphobic child, I got my daughter back. That was worth it to me. Actually, I'm taking her now for an overdue blood test to check her liver functions due to her meds.
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