dexter
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Post by dexter on Oct 26, 2017 2:26:09 GMT
I have an INCREDIBLY challenging class this year. Like, unbelievable.... I have never experienced this in 18 years. Anyway, we have an administrator in year 3 that has no clue what elementary education is about, but that's a whole other story.
The problem I have is how to discipline the kids when I have NO administrative support. Disruptions, defiance, etc. I feel like I spend 90% of my day on management. I have a high-functioning autistic child that has his own nurse and aide full-time, but has been aggressive lately and hurting his peers. I am getting tired of calling parents explaining that "G" hit them today but that he had consequences. I am only responsible for "g's" academics, not his behavior plan. As a parent would you get tired of being notified that your child got struck by a peer?? Second issue is "J." He is displaying inappropriate sexual behavior that is disturbing. I have given him separate spaces for all parts of our day, but he manages to sneak it in during the 2 minutes I am lining students up for the bus or dealing with another behavior.
I am at my wits end. I cry every night when I come home. Forget about the academics my students are missing out on!! Any advice???
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ellen
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Post by ellen on Oct 26, 2017 2:34:24 GMT
G must have a case manager that you can work with. I would document J's behavior. Do you have a school counselor? The website I'm linking has all sorts of interventions that can be very helpful. PBIS World
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 26, 2017 2:35:13 GMT
Do you have an assistant administrator? A union rep? I'd probably ask to have a meeting with the admin and a union rep present. Make sure that the admin knows that there will be a union rep there. Maybe even ask for a higher up in the district to be there as well.
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Post by kate on Oct 26, 2017 2:45:34 GMT
Document, document, document. Note which child did what when and - most importantly - whom you told about it. Notify parents and admin by email whenever possible (conversations are too easy to forget or deny).
This way, if a parent of a victim comes to the end of their rope and storms the school, admin can't look at you and say, "Why weren't we told about this?"
Also, if the victim's parents start to tire of hearing that their child was hurt (again) at school, recommend that they share their concerns with admin. We had a little boy who was hitting, throwing things (e.g. wood blocks!), and tackling his classmates. It wasn't until one long-suffering family finally went to admin with Very Stern Complaints that admin finally insisted that the little boy get an aide. He was a smart and interesting kid, but you could not take your eyes off of him for a millisecond without some sort of violence ensuing. With a 1:1 aide, there was a set of eyes to watch only him. The rest of the year went much better. Not perfectly, but better.
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Post by SabrinaP on Oct 26, 2017 2:50:08 GMT
I agree with document, document, document. Be very specific about your documentation including times, triggers, etc.
. I had a kid that had very several behaviors. We couldn’t get any district level admins to listen to us. Thankfully we did have supportive principals though. What finally got action, was parents and kids started documenting the behaviors. We actually had a kid that took it upon himself to write down the behaviors that were happening in the room and ask why it wasn’t being taken care of. Between that and parent phone calls, admin finally did something.
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dexter
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Post by dexter on Oct 26, 2017 2:50:30 GMT
Thank you for your comments. I have been documenting everything. Everything. I told my DH the same thing - when a parent gets mad enough then I will have MY ducks in a row!
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Post by zztop11 on Oct 26, 2017 3:15:55 GMT
Also, keep praising all the kids that are acting the way they are supposed to. Go to the Dollar Store and buy the packs of cheap stickers. Give them out to the good kids. And give out lots of them. They will continue to know that they are acting appropriately. And you will feel better too, knowing that you are recognizing good behavior.
If all the documenting is taking too much of your time, this is what I used to do. I would walk around with a clip board. Had the date at the top. I would just make my notes for all the kids on the one page. At the end of the day, I would put the page in a binder. At conference time, I could scan the sheets and talk about the kid that I needed to. It was quick and easy.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 26, 2017 4:10:47 GMT
It takes parents who are unhappy with what is going on in your room. A loud. squeaky parent who will stand up and say that their kid isn't getting the education they need. Perhaps going to the administration building would help. I would also start being a pain to my principal. You've done this long enough to know that it just isn't right or fair to the other 25 kids in your class.
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Post by nlwilkins on Oct 26, 2017 7:47:51 GMT
If the autistic child has a full time aide, then where is the aide when this child is hurting other children? If the aide cannot affect her charges's behavior, then perhaps the child needs a different aide. Presumably this part of the reason the child has a full time aide.
Look at the behavior plan and see what needs to be changed. You may not be responsible for the behavior plan, but you should be consulted in creating one and amending it when needed. If the child is in your class, you have responsibility for following that plan. Mainly because, as the teacher, you have the certificate and the position as being the one in control and having the final say. It is your certificate that is at risk so you need to be sure that others in the room are doing their job. Talk to the aide's boss and find out just what the aide was told to do in your room. (I use to teach middle school alternative kids and the aide I had was not really under my authority - but I made sure I had input to how that aide did her job. Thankfully she was awesome, but there were a few incidents. But because I was the teacher in charge, it was all on me no matter what was the aide's fault.)
Frankly, it sounds like the behavior plan needs modifications like right now.
As to Mr."J", he needs counseling. Many young children who display disturbing sexual behavior have been molested or sexually abused. (Not all, but many.) At the very least, he is seeing that kind of behavior somewhere and is copying it. Again, in my experience, it was the first sign that a young, mentally challenged, girl was being raped by her brothers. It was so sad. If he has not been abused then the counseling should focus on why what he is doing is not appropriate for the classroom and what that kind of behavior is indicating.
It is so hard to teach when the behaviors of few disrupt the class constantly. I am sorry you are having to deal with this. I used to pretend that I did not have an admin and then figured out how I would handle it if I WAS the admin. The frustration of not having backup then was taken out of the equation and I could move forward. I did after school detention, daily parental calls to the same parent if needed, required the parent to come in for a parent/teacher consultation as often as I could, made the student sit in the hall with aide, sent notes home that had to be signed, made students get signatures on any failing papers and so on. But, the main thing, I kept the students busy, busy, busy. From the minute they hit my door they had work to do that was never done. I also, worked hard to make sure my instruction times were attention grabbers and kept the students involved. They also got rewards for what they did. Yes, some of the "busy, busy, busy" was busy work like puzzles, making lists, writing the key sentence of every paragraph in a range of pages. But I made sure they had to use their brains for it and I considered it part of my classroom management and teaching the children how to sit and work quietly.
Another thing I did was keep the physical classroom a pleasant place to be. To offset the fluorescent lights I had lamps in several places in the room. I had a area rug at the front of the classroom. All tables and furniture were clean and neat, no stacks of papers anywhere to be seen. I keep vases of cut flowers in the room and I would play soft zen music that was not the invigorating kind. I could see the students visibly relax when they came in the door and that helped. "Inside voices" were encouraged and I never raised my voice above a quiet speaking tone. So they had to be still to hear. Lots of smiles from me and encouragement made it easier on those behaving.
Oops sorry did not mean to write a book. LOL
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Post by mommaho on Oct 26, 2017 13:05:23 GMT
If the autistic child has a full time aide, then where is the aide when this child is hurting other children? If the aide cannot affect her charges's behavior, then perhaps the child needs a different aide. Presumably this part of the reason the child has a full time aide. I'm sorry you are having such a bad year - Be your own advocate if no one will stand by you and as everyone else has said document, document, document. Are you part of a Union? Talk to your Building Rep or go to your President to seek advice.
nlwilkins you have so many good points! The unfortunate side is most aides are hired and not given the appropriate training to handle the children they are charged with. That is the districts fault (my opinion) because they hire and as long as the person passes their fingerprinting they are hired and put in whatever situation needs filling. My daughter was hired as an aide and after 5 years gave up and got employment elsewhere because they would not give her the training she needed to be the best for the children she was charged with!
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Post by happyOCgirl on Oct 28, 2017 4:47:27 GMT
First of all, Dexter I am so incredibly sorry. It is very defeating to you and your students to have so much going on.
I have had only 1 year in the 22 years of teaching without 5 or more extreme behaviors or medical needs students (in a classes of 32 first graders). This is the year and I can tell you it's a completely different job than what my previous years have been. I thought I'm a professional and I should be able to handle these students. Yes, but what it takes away from the rest of the students is not OK.
Every student deserves to learn and when someone is taking away their right to learn, I become the squeaky wheel. I used to be the furthest thing from a squeaky wheel, but I learned I had to become an advocate for my students and myself if anything was going to improve. Of course, I documented everything - which never got me anywhere! Well, I got a lot of platitudes from the people in charge, but no viable solutions. E-mailing every person associated with that student daily did get me somewhere. I got even more support doing the emails that also went to the union president and the head of the special ed/district nurse/behavior specialist/etc. than anything else I did. Now, some of the support was not really support (poorly trained aides who were more work for me), but I was able to get the people in charge to realize this child was not in the 'least restrictive environment for student success'.
Good luck, take time to step away from thinking about school, and know YOU are an amazing teacher!
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Post by Alexxussss on Oct 28, 2017 15:59:05 GMT
I am so sorry you are going through this. I teach middle school (this is my 17th year) and had a nightmare group in my 5th year that was similar (if it were my first year I would’ve quit!). I cried almost every day when I got home. As everyone has said, continue to document. Additionally, I would also tell everyone in writing - principal, union reps, guidance counselors, case managers, social workers, behavior specialist, etc. Explain the situation (as you did here ) and tell them point blank that you need help! Keep going until you get it. At the very least you’ll have evidence that you requested assistance time and time again but did not receive it. Hang in there and don’t be shy about using sick days for mental health breaks to spoil yourself!
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Post by AnotherPea on Oct 28, 2017 16:49:14 GMT
I agree that it may come down to encouraging parents to be vocal about their kids' environments. I had one class from hell a few years ago. I tried everything. When I tried to physically separate the "good" kids from the "bad" kids in my classroom, in order to protect the "good" ones somewhat, I had two administrators tell me to mix them all back up because the "bad" kids were mostly one race. Everything I did that was moderately successful was met with resistance because it looked bad on the surface or because it may compromise a poorly worded IEP.
The only thing that helped somewhat was when I got a new student added to the class who had an IEP that contradicted some of the other IEPS. And that kid's mother was VERY involved. A few seemingly innocent phone calls to her mentioning how I couldn't keep him away from distracting behavior, how the only time that I could really teach the material was during lunch when the disruptive students weren't around, etc., and the mother made sure I had the support I needed.
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Post by AnotherPea on Oct 28, 2017 16:55:26 GMT
I am so sorry you are going through this. I teach middle school (this is my 17th year) and had a nightmare group in my 5th year that was similar (if it were my first year I would’ve quit!). I cried almost every day when I got home. As everyone has said, continue to document. Additionally, I would also tell everyone in writing - principal, union reps, guidance counselors, case managers, social workers, behavior specialist, etc. Explain the situation (as you did here ) and tell them point blank that you need help! Keep going until you get it. At the very least you’ll have evidence that you requested assistance time and time again but did not receive it. Hang in there and don’t be shy about using sick days for mental health breaks to spoil yourself! Adding to the bolded part: Last year a coworker of mine did just that. She's been teaching over 20 years and met a class that was out of control and she was getting no support. She actually was relieved to hear when some of her students ended up BACK in jail because she got a little break when they were gone. Well, due to ACA, we could not get subs for the last week or two of each month. If she took off during the last week other teachers would have to cover her class during their planning periods. After covering just once, teachers started refusing to do it. They'd go to great lengths to avoid it and a couple of times administrators had to do it themselves. It was AMAZING how quickly kids that were supposed to be bounced got bounced out of the room. She ended up getting an aide in there at least part of the time.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2017 17:26:16 GMT
I hear you! I left one school because of lack of admin support for discipline. I agree with those who have advised to get the other parents involved. Their complaints will carry a lot more weight with admin.
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Post by birdy on Oct 28, 2017 18:23:31 GMT
Glad to hear you are already documenting everything. I'm not teaching currently, but I was a teacher. I documented every little thing and saved everything in files. I had a file for each child. I would start notifying parents via email rather than phone calls and copy your administrator in on every single one. He/she may begin to see the light if getting notified every day as well.
Good luck! I had 2 classes like you described. I taught 10 years and got out. I was spending more time at work than at home with my own child, dropping him at daycare at 7am and not picking him up until around 5:30 or 6 so I could get more done at work (especially documenting and intervention -planning. I was teaching a grade where the state testing was high stakes). I would pick him up, go home and make dinner, play with him for a few minutes, bath, bedtime story, bed. Then I'd get back to school work until around midnight every night. It was so stressful.
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Post by nyandnc on Oct 28, 2017 18:32:44 GMT
Retired teacher/principal weighing in. First of all, the one on one aide has the responsibility to keep that child from hurting others. If this isn’t happening a meeting should be called to look at his IEP and see what can be done. (What age group are you teaching?) Help the aide realize that during transitions she is to be on him like white on rice. By the way, since he is in your room you have to be part of the team that works on his behavior plan. You are the professional. The aide has the minute to minute responsibility but she may need to meet with you daily for awhile to discuss what needs to be addressed.
How many parent meetings have you had with the parents of the second young man? You need to enlist their help and come up with a plan to help him. I would meet with the principal first and get any suggestions he or she might have. This student's behavior disturbs me more than the first student. It would be helpful to know how old your students are.
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