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Post by littlemama on Oct 26, 2017 11:03:01 GMT
I think childhood is so fleeting that all grades up through fifth should be able to dress up and participate in the parade. However, that has never been the case at your school, so I wouldn't expect a change. My guess is that K-2 costumes are generally always school acceptable, but older than that, more costumes violate school rules.
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Post by Merge on Oct 26, 2017 11:04:07 GMT
Our school solved it all by saying only kids in a costume that related to a book the child had read (or read to the child) could come to school in costumes. It was "Book Character Day". No scary faces or face paint allowed. Solved the religious objection. Kids and parents who were dying to have a costume could have one..... This is what our school does, and many schools around here. The thing is, you can find a book about any princess or superhero you were going to dress up as anyway - so it's still just the whole school dressed in costumes for the day. We even had a 5th grader find a book about The Scream painting so he could wear his Scream mask, which then scared the younger kids ... I agree with freecharlie that the day AFTER Halloween should be a holiday. Let parents deal with their own sugar-crashed kids at home instead of packing them off to school.
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Post by beebee on Oct 26, 2017 11:08:20 GMT
It's not anything I would fight over, but I do think dressing up makes school more fun for kids. I know work won't get done on that day, but I don't think it is a big deal. It is one day and makes a fun memory!
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Post by muggins on Oct 26, 2017 11:13:04 GMT
I have suggestion. I created an unofficial parents FB page for a very large international school. My only rule was no complaints about the school, the staff, or its policies. If you have a problem, take it directly to the school. It kept the board positive and stopped the crazy bitchfests like the op described. I only had to delete 3 posts in 3 years. As a former teacher, whatever we do in situations like these, someone will complain. My last one was a Muslim mom in a hijab making a huge fuss that the Christmas party was too short and not elaborate enough!!
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 26, 2017 11:16:01 GMT
I hate costumes at school. Minimally, they are a huge distraction. In the worst cases, they are quite dangerous (imagine 4-yr-olds in floor-length princess dresses negotiating the stairs or running on the playground). Inevitably, props such as Harry Potter wands, sparkly crowns, and detachable superhero capes end up lost. I vote that costumes be banned at school. The parents can arrange an after-school or weekend party if they're desperate to share costumes with school friends. Kids don't get to wear them all day. They usually have to stay packed away until a certain time where they get dressed, have the parade and class party and then go home.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 26, 2017 11:17:50 GMT
Can I have an option for Halloween should be a national holiday and therefore no school on Halloween? I'd rather it be the day after Halloween Our school district always had a professional day on Nov 1. They knew they wouldn't get anything out of the kids that day so they adjusted the quarters so that would always be the case.
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Post by StephDRebel on Oct 26, 2017 11:58:47 GMT
All kids dress up at our elementary after lunch. They have a parade around town and they bis the middle and high school bands in to make the parade more festive before they give a performance for the kids on the lawn and they all head in for Halloween party shenanigans. I hope they never change it, the old people in town get really excited for the parade. I clear my schedule to cheer them on.
If it weren't such a big thing I can't see it being accepted or even a thing in 4th grade. My 4th grade nephew gets excoted about dressing up for trick or treat but it's 'because he has to take his little sister' , he's way too cool for that with his friends.
The mom sounds like a whiner.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Oct 26, 2017 12:29:34 GMT
Life is not always going to be fair. Time to learn to suck it up little buttercups. This. Not everyone gets to do everything. I had a high school history teacher who drilled in to our heads: Whomever told you life was fair, lied. So much so I am incapable to this day of uttering: it's not fair. And every time DS says it, I tell him, whomever told you life was fair, lied.
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Post by gina on Oct 26, 2017 12:44:17 GMT
Our school calls it Book Character Dress-Up Day and its really fun! Kids can wear costumes (no masks) and the younger grades (K-2) parade around the halls towards the end of the day. Older grades (3-5) push-in to the younger rooms and read to the younger grades (3rd reads to K, 4th reads to 1st, etc). It's just a nice, relaxing day, the kids have fun, there is minimal 'learning' going on but lots of reading. The kids get a kick out of picking out books to bring in either to read to the younger classes or the little kids bring in books and ask the older kids to read to them. We have 3 elementary schools in my district and 1 out of the 3 only allows K-2 to dress-up which I always thought was kind of mean. No I wouldn't complain publicly about it, or lose sleep over it for that matter, but they are only little once. Really, what is the harm in having the 3 older grades dress-up and have some fun too? Like I said, it's not a big 'new material is being learned' day for us. My older two are in 8th and 9th and I see how time flew for them (HS is allowed to dress-up here. haha Go figure!) I don't see the harm in allowing kids grades 3-5 to join the fun for the day (especially sad for them if they have younger siblings who get to dress). SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by ferblover on Oct 26, 2017 12:44:32 GMT
I'd rather it be the day after Halloween Our school district always had a professional day on Nov 1. They knew they wouldn't get anything out of the kids that day so they adjusted the quarters so that would always be the case. I wish our school district would do this instead of a day off a week later for election day. No one even votes in the school buildings anymore and we have mail in ballots. Makes so much more sense!
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Oct 26, 2017 14:13:11 GMT
Our sons school always had fall parties that tended to learn more toward a Halloween party without costumes, but all the children could participate in. Then the Friday before Halloween they would hold a Halloween ball in the evening, where the kids could dress up in their costumes. They had a DJ, food and lots of fun. In December they have winter parties just before break and then there is a Christmas dinner held on evening where they make crafts and have dinner with Santa. Our school district is quite diverse and there are many families who don't celebrate the holidays. This is a great way for them to include everyone, still have fun and no one feels left out.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 26, 2017 14:32:37 GMT
IMHO if the elementary/middle/high school dress code allows for costumes on any or even just designated days (eg spirit week, language arts projects), then it should also be acceptable - not required - to wear a costume (in compliance with said code) on Halloween.
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Post by salem on Oct 26, 2017 14:40:56 GMT
Our school k-5th, plus a Special Ed program for the 3-5 year olds have a costume parade and parties in the classroom after. The kids love it. The teachers all dress up and our awesome principal leads the way. I hope they never change it. Why completely suck the fun out of everything these days? In the OP's situation, I don't think it's fair. They're not cutting out high schooler's, they're cutting out 8, 9 and 10 year olds who love Halloween. What's the harm in letting them wear a costume to school? Yeah, yeah, life's not fair, blah blah. These are little kids and people have the choice to not allow their child to participate.
Our only limits at our school are no weapons, have your kid wear a mask they can actually see out of, and keep the slippery princess shoes at home.
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Post by auroraborealis on Oct 26, 2017 15:03:09 GMT
Actually, I really like the way your school has done this. While not everything will be "fair", I actually don't see anything unfair about having K-2 in the costumes and not (but other alternatives) after that. They have 3 years to dress up, and have that tradition at school. It's sweet and festive. The older kids don't "need" to dress up for Halloween at school (they can dress up for Halloween or other community events outside school still!), and by that older age you start having to really monitor and set rules around costumes being school-appropriate and everything with that. Seems like a very good solution to me.
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Post by peabay on Oct 26, 2017 15:09:02 GMT
Our school stopped when Halloween got out of control and parents were spending hundreds on costumes and then were calling the teachers annoyed when the 50 dollar light saber was broken at school or the tiara was lost. We had parents, when Halloween was on a Saturday so school celebrations were on Friday, calling the Board of Education to get into schools because kids had left pieces of their costumes in their classrooms and wanted them to go Trick or Treating.
It started to drive the school system crazy, so they eliminated it for the younger kids.
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Post by bigbundt on Oct 26, 2017 15:49:44 GMT
I think times have changed such that school is no longer the place for things like Halloween, Valentines Day, etc. parties. (PS, I'm 58) And even though there is no doubt I'm a Christian, I don't think Christmas, Hanukkah, other religious celebrations are appropriate any more either. There are enough other venues for these types of celebrations and little enough real teaching going on in the schools. Not sure if that answers your question. My two-cents worth, anyway. I think it is sad that we think about taking these things away from children. So many kids have such great memories of them. For some, it is the best memory of grade school. There is a shared cultural experience that we keep shrinking all the time. For instance, you are 58, I am 40, DS is 16, my niece is 6 and all of us have participated in a Valentine's or Halloween party. My assumption is that you and I also probably went to schools in different states. As a parent of a second grader, I prefer no dress up for Halloween at school. We have a hard enough time in the morning with nothing extra to deal with. My kids' schools don't dress up and trust me, they miss NOTHING. The entire month of October is filled with Halloween and fall activities put on by organizations, businesses, and churches. My kids have seen many of their school friends in costume, several different costumes per kid in fact because again, SO MANY ACTIVITIES these days. My kids have a few costumes a piece, saving their real costume for ToTing. Some classes have parties but it depends on the teachers and it really more along the lines of a really festive and themed snack time. Maybe it doesn't bother me because growing up (40) we had parties at school but we did not dress up for school. We had a party at school and ToTing and that was IT. And it was exciting. *Maybe* a party at someone's house or your church (which were not public like most are these days). We didn't have Trunk or Treats, festivals, farms to visit every day of October. I am actually finding that many people don't even bring their kids out ToTing anymore because the kids and parents are so burned out by the time October 31st rolls around. With so many opportunities to dress up and interact with school friends outside of school, I just don't see the point of introducing that sort of distraction and frustration (in the form of kids/teachers having to keep up with costumes) into a school day.
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Post by oh yvonne on Oct 26, 2017 16:07:39 GMT
Our schools are allowed to dress up, through middle school for sure. I can't remember our high schools.
I love it, the kids all love it and we've never had any issues that I'm aware of. The rules are simple; no face makeup or props. A lot of kids just wear different costumes to school than they use for Halloween.
All our schools have carnivals, etc.
Its a bummer if you love Halloween and can't get dressed up, so I understand the woman's feelings about it, but she really needs to just stop acting like a petulant child who isn't getting her way. Thems the breaks.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 26, 2017 16:21:19 GMT
I agree with you. I went to a really lousy grade school and some of my only good memories of my school days were from holiday celebrations. I’m really glad my kid’s school allows those kinds of celebrations. I completely agree with you and freecharlie. Sure, sending costumes to school is a pain, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. I'm glad my dd's school has classroom parties - complete with costumes. Our kids went to school in complete costume and stayed in it for the day. They also had a Renaissance Assembly (for outstanding achievement and behavior) and sometimes a school wide assembly just for entertainment. Society often complains that schools start too early with academics and kindergarten kids are pushed too soon. Schools teach to the test and too much focus is put on standardized testing. Halloween is one time where all of that pressure goes by the wayside. Kids love the day to dress up and just relax a bit more than they normally would. We put a lot of pressure on kids to perform the other 179 days (or so). I was always more than happy to make the day about something different. We wrote about the Mysteries of Harris Burdick, we solved multi step math problems that involved solving a mystery and we watched The Great Pumpkin and wrote letters to the younger kids in the school. It was still academics, but I'd bet the kids would tell you we partied all day because we were in costume and snacking on treats much of the day. Win-win.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 26, 2017 16:24:04 GMT
I hate costumes at school. Minimally, they are a huge distraction. In the worst cases, they are quite dangerous (imagine 4-yr-olds in floor-length princess dresses negotiating the stairs or running on the playground). Inevitably, props such as Harry Potter wands, sparkly crowns, and detachable superhero capes end up lost. I vote that costumes be banned at school. The parents can arrange an after-school or weekend party if they're desperate to share costumes with school friends. Kids don't get to wear them all day. They usually have to stay packed away until a certain time where they get dressed, have the parade and class party and then go home. In my 28 years of teaching and all day costume wearing, no one ever was hurt beyond normal things that kids got hurt doing during recess. We did tell the kids that accessories stayed in the backpacks until the parade if they could one your eye out.
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Post by queenofkings on Oct 26, 2017 16:30:28 GMT
Honestly, I don't have anything against kids in costumes, but I'd say dump wearing the costumes to school altogether. I wish my son's school had. Instead they had a "vocabulary parade" where kids had to dress up as vocabulary words. Amd my grown son's elementary school did a book character dress up. Ithought it sucked because then I ended up having to come up with TWO costumes. No kid wanted those things as their main costume to ToT in. If it was me, I'd say skip it. Maybe they can get volunteers for an evening event. Our school did this also, which I *did* enjoy. They had games, cake walk, chili, desserts, candy, and a hayride.
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Post by Linda on Oct 26, 2017 17:24:47 GMT
Actually, I really like the way your school has done this. While not everything will be "fair", I actually don't see anything unfair about having K-2 in the costumes and not (but other alternatives) after that. They have 3 years to dress up, and have that tradition at school. It's sweet and festive. The older kids don't "need" to dress up for Halloween at school (they can dress up for Halloween or other community events outside school still!), and by that older age you start having to really monitor and set rules around costumes being school-appropriate and everything with that. Seems like a very good solution to me. me too Our school has several Christmas celebrations that are only K or only K-1 or only K-2 (it's a K-5 school and my youngest is a 5th grader). They have the opportunity to enjoy those activities when they are in the appropriate grade and I've certainly not heard anyone complaining that it's UNFAIR that the Kinders get to wear their pyjamas and have a Polar Express day (they ride in a little tractor drawn 'wagon' train- the ones where the cars look like barrels on their sides, drink hot cocoa, and watch the film) and the older kids don't for instance. And my middle child started at that school as a 3rd grader so she missed all those fun K-2 traditions. She never once when her little sister was K-2 complained about how unfair it was that sister got to x and she never did. Our elementary school does STEM day around Hallowe'en (usually on -this year it's tomorrow instead) - most grades the science/maths activities tie into pumpkins and candy corn etc... one grade does earthworms instead though.
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Post by Linda on Oct 26, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
Amd my grown son's elementary school did a book character dress up. Ithought it sucked because then I ended up having to come up with TWO costumes. No kid wanted those things as their main costume to ToT in. We had book character day back in January - my youngest went as Harry Potter and that's what she's wearing for Hallowe'en this year. My older daughter some years ago went as Laura Ingalls Wilder for book character day and again for Hallowe'en (that costume has gotten a workout as she also wore it to the school pioneer celebration for the city's 150th and her sister wore it as Mary Ingalls for Book Character day last year) But we're bookworms here so....
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Post by tduby1 on Oct 26, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Can I have an option for Halloween should be a national holiday and therefore no school on Halloween? And the day after too! I've always wondered why they bother with the day after. It can't be productive, I wouldn't think.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 26, 2017 19:34:27 GMT
I've always wondered why they bother with the day after. It can't be productive, I wouldn't think. The first thing I would check on my school calendar was the day of Halloween. I loved it when it fell on Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Plus kids would sneak candy in for the next few days.
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Post by bianca42 on Oct 26, 2017 20:02:58 GMT
My school always does half day on Halloween and the day before or after, based on when it is. They have parent teacher conferences that day. It's great for me. I pick a 3pm conference, leave work early and then spring DS early from daycare to be ready for ToT.
The kids can wear their costume to school (without masks). They have a party in their classroom, do a parade outside for parents who come and then it's time to go home.
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 26, 2017 20:16:10 GMT
I wouldn't care what the rules were about dressing up for Halloween.
As far as I'm concerned it's fine if the school allows costumes. It's fine if the school doesn't allow costumes. It's also fine if the school allows costumes for some grades and not for others.
It's just not something I would get worked up about.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 26, 2017 20:20:17 GMT
I agree with freecharlie that the day AFTER Halloween should be a holiday. Let parents deal with their own sugar-crashed kids at home instead of packing them off to school. AMEN....so glad I am retired this year. HS kids are NUTS the day after. They get into trouble (kids I taught anyhow)...up all night...UGH. Halloween has no place in school..truly.
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Post by nellej on Oct 26, 2017 20:55:21 GMT
I'm worrying/wondering about the kids who don't have Halloween costumes.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 26, 2017 21:03:11 GMT
Our school solved it all by saying only kids in a costume that related to a book the child had read (or read to the child) could come to school in costumes. It was "Book Character Day". No scary faces or face paint allowed. Solved the religious objection. Kids and parents who were dying to have a costume could have one..... This is what our school does, and many schools around here. The thing is, you can find a book about any princess or superhero you were going to dress up as anyway - so it's still just the whole school dressed in costumes for the day. We even had a 5th grader find a book about The Scream painting so he could wear his Scream mask, which then scared the younger kids ... I agree with freecharlie that the day AFTER Halloween should be a holiday. Let parents deal with their own sugar-crashed kids at home instead of packing them off to school. I totally agree about the day after. Our school district has the 30th off because it is the end of the quarter. Teacher work day.. WHY wouldn't they make it the 1st? Deal turning in grades by 2 days. Big woop.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 26, 2017 21:36:42 GMT
Our district stopped the parades/costumes entirely at some point during the ten years between my older kids being in elementary school and when my younger kids entered.
Frankly, I agree with the decision. The costumes were very distracting. Often there were tears when something got torn/spilled on, teasing about "stupid" or "babyish" or whatever costumes, hair & make-up issues, etc. The district tried both having the kids wear their costumes to school (so all day, during which some costumes were inevitable damaged) and having the kids bring their costumes to change into for the parties/parade. Changing a classroom full of little kids into costumes was VERY time-consuming! Re decor, some young kids really don't like the skeletons & scary stuff in their classroom.
Then there are the folks don't like the whole "satanist/pagan" (their interpretation, not mine) aspect of Hallowe'en.
So now there are class Harvest Parties and the decor & activities (no costumes) are Fall-themed. I like it. It's simple and all-inclusive and there are still games & treats for everyone.
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