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Post by Tasha on Oct 27, 2017 13:51:40 GMT
A little background, I started working in a grocery store when I was 16. I stayed with them in one form or another until we moved out of the area about 4 years ago. When we moved, I didn't have to work because the job my husband transferred to allowed me to stay home. We just moved again, and while I don't "need" a job, all my kids are in school, and I'd like to have something other than housework to fill my days. I have a couple ideas of hobbies and things like that that I would be interested in pursuing, but don't really have extra in the budget to do those things.
I saw on the school district website that they are desperate for substitute teachers. I meet all of the qualifications, so now I just have to get over my fear that I can't do it! I've only had one job my entire life! I'm scared!
A couple questions I have are going to be different state by state, district by district, but I was hoping to get an idea of what is allowed.
I talked to a friend who used to sub in OK. She said that high school was the easiest, because usually she would just put a movie or something on and basically be a baby sitter. But at the elementary age, she had to teach the kids. What do elementary age teachers expect out of substitutes? Do they have a plan all written out to follow?
Do districts let you choose one school to sub at? Because of how new we are, and how late we registered my kids for school, the school they go to is clear across town, and none of the neighbors or people that go to my church have children that go there, so I can't ask for babysitting help after school. So I am hoping to only sub at that school so I can pick my girls up right after. If I do teach at the high school, they get out 30 minutes later, and I'm not sure how I'll pick up the girls on time.
Anyway, please give me any insight you have on the good and the bad of being a substitute teacher!
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Post by ntsf on Oct 27, 2017 14:38:41 GMT
I would do elementary school.. it is a mental game in high school. younger kids are not so mean. it doesn't pay much here
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Post by shamrock on Oct 27, 2017 14:40:43 GMT
I sub at a variety of districts. They have some similarities and some differences. All I can pick if I want to sub elementary, middle or high school (but that's because I'm licensed for those). Some I can pick specific schools others I can even pick subject area at the middle/high schools. All of them sub hours are teacher hours and that is longer than student time.
I taught, had my kids and now sub. It has changed a lot. At least in my experience & what I'm told by friends still teaching, there are always plans. Due to testing requirements here, teachers can't really just have a sub throw in a video and babysit. Almost always, the teacher has well written & specific plans for me. On the rare occasion that it is a true unexpected/emergency absence I've been given the plans of another grade level teacher and use those.
You'll need to check the license requirements for your state and district. They may vary depending on grade level and even subject.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Oct 27, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
Maybe you could ask at your kids school and ask if they need any full or part time help in the lunchroom, Office, Library etc
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 27, 2017 14:44:58 GMT
I'm not a substitute but have friends that are... they pick and choose the "jobs" they want online on some website early in the morning. I think here you have to be qualified as elementary-middle or middle-high you can't do all three. One friend subs in the elementary library a lot. They can also have a teacher request them as a sub before it goes online. I don't know anyone in my district who subs for high school. The pay is pretty good in our district for subs (and there is a shortage).
A friend in another state/district seems to be all over the place, every day at a new school and everything from health class to teaching Spanish... also in September when school had just started she was complaining about not having any jobs because teachers weren't needing subs...
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Post by luckyjune on Oct 27, 2017 14:50:23 GMT
Many districts use some form of an on-line sub system, so you can totally choose where and when you sub. Check frequently and into the morning as well, because sometimes teachers get to school and decide they are too sick to be there.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 27, 2017 15:02:41 GMT
It depends on your state and your local district. Ours lets you choose not only which town but which teacher, as it is all listed online for registered subs. Also, teachers can request certain subs they have found that they like.
I subbed when I first got my teaching degree and found it very hard. Even elementary kids know very well how to sink a sub, including saying things like, "Our teacher always does this, or never does that," whether or not it's true. So be prepared with an answer to that one.
I do think subbing is a good way to get used to teaching, and it can sometimes be a way to get your name around in a district for permanent employment. Some subs are really great and have a bag of tricks prepared so that they can walk into any classroom and have fun stuff to do with the kids. I know two people who would never want permanent employment as teachers but love to sub -- so I am sure my not-so-great sub experience doesn't speak for all.
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Post by perumbula on Oct 27, 2017 15:19:46 GMT
I did it for six years. Most of my time was spent at the middle school and the secretary still teases me about leaving her in the lurch when I quit.
It was fine. There were really good days and days I wanted to cry and days I wished I could kick a few kids completely out of school until they learned how to be decent human beings. I really enjoyed the elementary school level but they didn't need me as much because they had more retired teachers who liked to sub on the side. It was harder energy wise, but the kids were so much more fun. Fourth grade was my absolute favorite. High school was often easy, but that was mostly because I was very strict when I first started and gave myself a reputation for not putting up with garbage. It made my first year hard because I had to call them on everything, but after that was smooth sailing because they knew Mrs. Perumbula wasn't a pushover and would call them out. We won't discuss middle school. I don't recommend it your first year. Get some experience under your belt before you attempt that age group. It's ROUGH.
Some people really do well with it but six years was all I could stand.
Good luck.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 27, 2017 15:26:37 GMT
If you have never taught, you will be in for a rough ride.
Can you manage to get 25-30 elementary age students under control? Do you know how to handle special needs children? Do you have any skill at engaging the interest of the children for at least 45 minutes at a time?
If you have never taught, I suggest you ask a local principal if you could sit in the back of a classroom for an entire day and observe.
ALL teachers expect the sub to teach the lesson plans left behind. ALL teachers are a bit miffed to return and find out it was movie day while they were gone. You will often get a class where the teacher left no plans--none, nothing. Can you fill the 7 hours with activities that are age appropriate?
Substituting is not just sitting in the room with the kids.
I have been ashamed for years of my part in what happened when I was in the 7th grade. No one announced the plan--but we were all jerks until we made the woman cry. After that, we were willing to follow her directions.
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Post by peano on Oct 27, 2017 15:45:58 GMT
I felt exactly like you before I subbed. I was terrified, especially of the older kids. In our district, you are given NO training, which is OK if you have a teaching background but I don't. You have to go in with the expectation that you are learning by the seat of your pants, on the job, and that you will make mistakes. You will have students limit-testing and trying to scam you because you're a sub. It has really been most difficult for me to understand how the day works at school--lunch periods, learning labs, free periods, etc. but after a year of doing it, I'm getting it. You need flexibility, because I am often sent to other classes if there's a need during one of my free periods and often am assigned lunch duty.
We have a district coordinator (who is a personal friend) who contacts us. I have a lot of control over my jobs. I have requested to be texted night before/advance only (because face it, I'm a night person who is never going to be together enough to take a 5 a.m. phone call). I don't do special ed.
I only sub in the middle school mostly and high school because frankly it's less work and I'm only making around $80 after taxes. I'm not interested in helping 25 2nd graders put on mittens and I enjoy the older kids more, especially middle school. Once you understand their dynamic--they are kind of a chaotic mess so are looking for structure but rebelling against it age-appropriately--they're pretty easy to work with. There will always be limit-testers so conveying clear expectations for their behavior from you as a sub at the beginning of class is helpful, as is a sense of humor.
There are virtually always lesson plans left by the teachers; I have only actively taught a couple of classes, which were remedial reading classes. So typically, they will already have an assignment they have been working on, or I will be left worksheets for them to work on in class. I love it when the teacher has left instructions that she will be collecting and grading the work because the students work much more diligently; I have learned that if no clear instructions have been left, while not outright lying, I strongly suggest that the teacher will be collecting and grading the work, to keep goofing off to a minimum. I have had several classes where I watched the first hour of "Up" six times, and usually I'm just sitting at the desk surfing on my iPad.
I have administered exams and have had to move students with wandering eyes and in one instance I reported a cheater. I once subbed in a music class with highly motivated and self-directed students and had the honor of being serenaded by their beautiful playing, which was awesome!
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Post by Tasha on Oct 27, 2017 15:46:51 GMT
Yep, you guys are scaring me! I don't know that this is for me! My DH is wanting me to sign up. He keeps trying to talk me into it, and pressure me into it, really, but I don't know that I have it in me! I actually do really well with high school age kids. I worked with that age in my church for a while, and also while I was working at the grocery store. We mesh well together, but then again, I'm no teacher! I'm absolutely terrified of elementary and middle school age. I can barely help my kids at home with their homework, just because of the different way they are taught. So actually teaching them at school? I don't know if I could do it.
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Post by zztop11 on Oct 27, 2017 17:10:31 GMT
I don't want to sound mean but it's good that you are being scared. When you say "I don't know that I have it in me" that means exactly that. You'll be eaten alive in a middle school. I taught middle school for 30 years and it can be very rough. Especially for a sub.
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Post by moodyblue on Oct 27, 2017 17:37:51 GMT
What about looking for a job as an aide/paraprofessional in a school? You might find it easier to be working in the same school, same position, same schedule every day. Easier to learn what to do for one position. My district has had some changes recently (resignation, in one case) and we have several aide positions open even though we are in the second quarter already.
Or, as mentioned above look for office or cafeteria jobs, maybe as a "sub" for those to get started.
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Post by Merge on Oct 27, 2017 18:14:54 GMT
You couldn’t pay me enough to substitute teach. Hardest job in the world to manage kids that aren’t yours and who think your appearance means they now have a free day.
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Post by Tasha on Oct 27, 2017 18:16:49 GMT
I have looked at aide positions, and they have education requirements for the ones posted. And I don't want to work every day, either. I really just need a part time job.
Thanks for all your comments. I really didn't know if I was just being scared and down on myself having thoughts that I couldn't do it, or if it was common sense that I couldn't do it! I think It's just common sense, that this isn't for me at this time.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 27, 2017 18:17:45 GMT
I talked to a friend who used to sub in OK. She said that high school was the easiest, because usually she would just put a movie or something on and basically be a baby sitter. As a retired HS teacher..I always left plans and if you think you'll just be a baby sitter...this is not your cup of tea. Kids are hard.. Teaching is hard. We rely (relied) on good subs who could handle the kids and material left to be done.
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Post by muggins on Oct 27, 2017 21:09:06 GMT
You need to have at least some classroom management skills to survive subbing. The teacher will leave lesson plans, but depending on the teacher, they may be detailed or not. I was a teacher for 15 years and subbing is totally different - you have no relationship with the kids and no authority with some. You need to be able to engage with the kids and establish expectations pretty quickly. You also need the thinknon your feet and adapt activities as necessary. It’s not for the faint hearted.
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Post by leannec on Oct 27, 2017 21:40:51 GMT
Here in Canada you need to have a degree in Education to substitute ... I did it for three long weeks before I got a regular teaching position ... I'm a secondary teacher so they only sent me to grades 7-12 ... the high school were definitely the easiest but that was only one day at a time ... I went on to teach junior high because I just love that age group
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 27, 2017 22:21:56 GMT
Yep, you guys are scaring me! I don't know that this is for me! My DH is wanting me to sign up. He keeps trying to talk me into it, and pressure me into it, really, but I don't know that I have it in me! I actually do really well with high school age kids. I worked with that age in my church for a while, and also while I was working at the grocery store. We mesh well together, but then again, I'm no teacher! I'm absolutely terrified of elementary and middle school age. I can barely help my kids at home with their homework, just because of the different way they are taught. So actually teaching them at school? I don't know if I could do it. Don't be scared off! Here is my experience. In my district we can choose to sub at all three levels (elementary, middle, high) or only one or two. I choose to do only elementary school. We have an online system where we can go and browse through the available jobs. However, I only sub at one school, the school where my kids went. If your county works the same way you could do your kids' school. I would recommend doing elementary school. Fewer attitudes. And I'd much rather teach something than be a babysitter. Every teacher who I've ever subbed for has left detailed plans. There is rarely any actual new material to teach, although I do have one teacher who will leave me with new stuff. If you can teach your kids things then you can teach other kids things. Think about when you've had your kids at the store...."let's get some apples, $1.29/lb, and we have 3 pounds, let's figure out how much that is.." etc. Often at my school there will be a resource teacher who comes in to help anyway. You might read a story to them and then they'll do a writing lesson. Just recently I read the Dr. Seuss book "Which Pet Shall I Get?" (or something like that...I've forgotten the exact title). The last page of the book shows the kids leaving the store with a cage but all you see in the cage are eyes looking out, so you have no idea what pet they bought. The writing assignment was to write about what pet the kid thought they bought, then draw a picture of that pet at home. This was 2nd grade. It will be scary in the beginning, but if you stick to one school (or even a couple) you'll get to know the kids and they'll know what to expect. Be tough at the beginning and don't fall for "Mrs. Teacher lets us do it". The answer is "okay, but since Mrs. Teacher isn't here today we're doing it my way." Also, you could start subbing as an assistant to get a feel for the classrooms. Here that means kindergarten or special ed, and I'd watch out for the special ed ones. Do not take autism classrooms unless you feel very qualified to help with that. It takes extra-special people to work properly with those kids. But kindergarten assistant would let you observe a regular teacher and you'd pick up a lot of little management tips. -- Actually, in my county if you have no teaching experience they won't let you start as a full teacher until you've had some assistant time. I had taught overseas but that didn't count, so I did assistant jobs all over the county. Once I got "promoted" then I moved to just taking jobs at this one school. Once you get in at a school you'll get jobs directly from the teachers. They'll see you in the halls and chase you down to see if you're available. It's a nice feeling to be wanted. lol The most important things to being a sub: 1. love kids 2. do what the teacher has left in his/her plans. If you don't finish it all they don't mind, but they'd like to see you at least start with what they left. I hear stories all the time (which amazes me...I mean, how hard is it to follow directions?) about subs who played games all day, or let the kids draw, etc. There's a time and place for those things of course, but during the writing workshop time is not it. I love being a sub.
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Post by teach4u on Oct 27, 2017 22:37:13 GMT
In my state, you have to have a college degree to substitute. You are expected to arrive 45 minutes before the students start. You are expected to follow the lesson plans, correct, and collect work. You are expected to clean the room, leave pertinent feedback, etc. Subs are paid $100-$165 based on experience. It's not an easy job. If you don't have experience in child development/education, I don't think it would be a good fit.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 27, 2017 22:40:32 GMT
Schools need great subs. It isn't easy and the pay (in general) isn't great, but your day will fly by and working with kids is as rewarding as it is exhausting. If you stay in elementary school, you shouldn't have a problem teaching the concepts. If teachers leave crappy/no plans, then you don't have to worry about doing it right. Most teachers take a good three hours to leave detailed plans for subs though (IME). Sometimes subs get asked to do long term subbing and the daily pay goes up quite a bit.
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Post by mom on Oct 28, 2017 0:00:22 GMT
I have looked at aide positions, and they have education requirements for the ones posted. And I don't want to work every day, either. I really just need a part time job. Thanks for all your comments. I really didn't know if I was just being scared and down on myself having thoughts that I couldn't do it, or if it was common sense that I couldn't do it! I think It's just common sense, that this isn't for me at this time. Do you have a local community college? We do and they usually have part time office jobs posted.
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Post by redhead32 on Oct 28, 2017 0:10:23 GMT
You need to have at least some classroom management skills to survive subbing. The teacher will leave lesson plans, but depending on the teacher, they may be detailed or not. I was a teacher for 15 years and subbing is totally different - you have no relationship with the kids and no authority with some. You need to be able to engage with the kids and establish expectations pretty quickly. You also need the thinknon your feet and adapt activities as necessary. It’s not for the faint hearted. This. I've subbed, mostly in the elementary schools in my area. There is power in knowing the kids names. So if you are in a building enough where you establish connections with the kids and earn their respect, it is much easier. If not ... it's not very fun. And to give you perspective, I've been an attorney and am now a semester away from being a high school teacher (I subbed a couple of years ago). However, if you like kids and like a bit of a challenge, then don't let us scare you off. It can be meaningful, and a decent sub is like gold in the school community. Also, in MN, you have to get a subbing license from the state to sub. So check your requirements. If you are looking for something similar but not as exhausting, the private tutor market is on the upswing in my community. A lot of kids with dyslexia are using the Barton system and have private tutors that do the program with them. It's 1:1 or small group, at least around here. It wouldn't be as many hours, probably, but it is an alternative to do something meaningful. I haven't done it. My friend does, and it's very scripted so you won't need a big bag of teacher tricks and classroom management tools.
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Post by alexa11 on Oct 28, 2017 1:10:08 GMT
I taught middle school for 25 years and you do not want to start there unless you TOUGH AS NAILS- they will eat you alive. You have to let them know from the second they walk in the door who's in charge and NEVER let up. I never expected my subs to teach (math)- I just left tons of busy work that I knew the kids would never finish.
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Post by caangel on Oct 28, 2017 1:35:47 GMT
I love subbing but I taught for 6 yrs before staying home with my babies. Now I sub at my kids' school which I love because I usually know at least a small handful of students in each class already and in some all but 2-3 new students.
CA just changed the requirement for subs, previously you had to have a teaching credential. Not sure the exact requirements now.
It isn't just hanging out with kids all day. Yes you are expected to follow plans and teach. I recommend volunteering in your children's classroom. Maybe let the teacher know you are considering subbing and see if they would let you volunteer for an entire day vs a couple of hours.
My district uses an online system you can see all jobs with grade level k-12, location, & teacher. You can choose which jobs to take. Teachers can identify their top 5 subs that get notified 1st of that teacher's absences.
They always need subs for instructional aides and playground supervisors if that might be more approachable vs classroom sub.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 28, 2017 1:42:39 GMT
If you only want/need part time work, how about registering with a temp agency? Kelly Services have just about every kind of job from time to time. Once when I needed as much work as I could get in the summer, I registered with 2 agencies and worked 5 days per week that summer.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 28, 2017 1:56:54 GMT
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 28, 2017 11:07:09 GMT
But see, the nice thing about subbing is that if you get a class like that one you know you never to go back to it. I always tell myself that I can do anything for one day. And then I'm done. Unlike the poor classroom teacher who has to go back day after day. OP, I wouldn't let the possibility of getting a class like that one deter you from subbing if you feel that you really want to try it. If you end up with a class like that then just do what you can to survive the day, asking for help from the office or the counselor or another same-grade teacher. They won't judge you because they know the class is impossible and that the regular teacher is having problems also. This is the advantage to subbing in only one school....I know almost every kid in that school, and I know which are the classes I don't want to sub for -- either a combination of "characters" that doesn't work well (what was the principal thinking?? ) or it's a combo of kids and teacher, etc. I had one of those teachers contact me the other day to ask me to sub and I replied "oh I'm so sorry, I'm not available that day. But thank you for asking me!" That keeps the door opened for the future and if she chooses to interpret "I'm not available" as "I have another job" well that's her assumption. She has no reason to know that my unavailability relates to a trip to the grocery store and walking the dog.
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Post by kels99 on Oct 28, 2017 17:42:33 GMT
I've been subbing for about 8 years, mostly elementary, and mostly at one school. Does it cost you anything to sign up? If not, there is no risk to at least trying it a few times and see if it's for you. I agree with the others, it makes your day SO much easier if you stick to one school and are there frequently. You get to know the kids, they know you and you don't have to set up expectations/introduce yourself every morning, as they know how you operate. I only take jobs that are set-up in advance, and there are some teachers I won't sub for in certain years because of the kids in their class. I sub at my kid's school and it was absolutely no problem to have him with me before school started and then meet me afterward. In fact, when he was in jr high, he would get bussed to the school and come in and help me for the last 15 minutes of class. The kids (especially the 1st & 2nd grade boys) LOVED that.
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Post by mcscrapper on Oct 28, 2017 18:23:34 GMT
I used to be a sub in the schools. I enjoyed it when I got to be in the better schools. I had subbed for probably three years and could have subbed at one school pretty much every day of the school year if I wanted to. It was the largest HS in the system and was where I went to HS. I also enjoyed the other grades but liked being in the same school. I got to know the kids and the teachers and they learned to trust me with their kids and actually teach / instruct versus just throwing a video in.
I worked before the internet was widely used and would just go to the schools where I wanted to work and put my "flyer" up in the break room and gave the coordinator my info too. The school system would update their list every month and send it to every school but I would decline offers at the traditionally "problem" school. I did take a 2 week assignment at one of the not-so-great schools because my step-mother worked there and we did get paid more for a assignments 2 weeks or longer. It was HELL. I finished my agreement but never went back. From then on, I stuck to two or three schools the majority of the time.
Some schools have a permanent sub position, too. There was on in each of the HS where I subbed and they had a class every day and got paid more and it was a benefitted position. If you like it enough, you might be able to swing one of those jobs eventually if offered.
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