MizIndependent
Drama Llama
Quit your bullpoop.
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Jun 25, 2014 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 1, 2017 19:50:21 GMT
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Post by busy on Nov 1, 2017 20:08:31 GMT
Since that article on Toback, many more women have come forward - there are now more than THREE HUNDRED women who've made allegations against him. Mind boggling. I think the entertainment industry has some unique things about it that make very large numbers of victims by individual perpetrators more likely, but sexual misconduct is pervasive across all industries. Lots coming out out in print journalism as well, and it's just going to keep going, I think. I know I saw it and experienced in financial services as well.
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pudgygroundhog
Pearl Clutcher
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Location: The Grand Canyon
Jun 25, 2014 20:18:39 GMT
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 1, 2017 20:16:00 GMT
How many men do you think are sweating bullets right now?
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luckyexwife
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Jun 25, 2014 21:21:08 GMT
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 1, 2017 20:18:51 GMT
Is anyone familiar with statue of limitations? Will any of these men be tried and punished for the crimes they committed?
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Post by busy on Nov 1, 2017 20:19:06 GMT
How many men do you think are sweating bullets right now? It's beyond depressing to think about
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pudgygroundhog
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Jun 25, 2014 20:18:39 GMT
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 1, 2017 20:20:36 GMT
How many men do you think are sweating bullets right now? It's beyond depressing to think about I know. And it's sad how long it's been going on and how victims felt they couldn't speak out (or did speak out and were ignored/belittled/not believed/etc).
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 1, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
In the article Dustin Hoffman is quoted as saying:
"I have the utmost respect for women and feel terrible that anything I might have done could have put her in an uncomfortable situation," Hoffman said. "I am sorry. It is not reflective of who I am."
These kind of statements are ridiculous. Has he never heard the old saying "Actions speak louder than words."
Does Hoffman really think that we are going to believe he has "the utmost respect for women" when he all but admits he harassed a 17 year old female intern? And how are one's actions not reflective of who they are?
I've had a huge crush on Dustin Hoffman since I was eleven. This really makes me sad and angry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 20:41:19 GMT
I am surprised that anyone is surprised by all this. We live in a male dominated society and males have long regarded females their property, to do with as they please. 😿😾🙀
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 1, 2017 21:07:58 GMT
I am surprised that anyone is surprised by all this. We live in a male dominated society and males have long regarded females their property, to do with as they please. 😿😾🙀 I'm not surprised by all the allegations of sexual harassment in Hollywood, but it's always disappointing to me when I hear about it, especially when it is one of my favorite actors.
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Post by kernriver on Nov 1, 2017 21:17:45 GMT
Let’s face it...they all did it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 21:17:57 GMT
In the article Dustin Hoffman is quoted as saying: "I have the utmost respect for women and feel terrible that anything I might have done could have put her in an uncomfortable situation," Hoffman said. "I am sorry. It is not reflective of who I am." These kind of statements are ridiculous. Has he never heard the old saying "Actions speak louder than words." Does Hoffman really think that we are going to believe he has "the utmost respect for women" when he all but admits he harassed a 17 year old female intern? And how are one's actions not reflective of who they are? I've had a huge crush on Dustin Hoffman since I was eleven. This really makes me sad and angry. I read something today that the woman accusing him participated in a back and forth flirtation joking and laughing with hm and then decided it was harassment. They flirted and joked with each other and then he told a joke she didn't like so brought it to his attention and he stopped and by her own account was extremely nice to her. If you "enjoyed the attention" and laughed with him giving the appearance that you were okay with it, does it really count as sexual harrasment? Not excusing anyone, just really wondering if she's really a victim.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 1, 2017 21:24:33 GMT
I am surprised that anyone is surprised by all this. We live in a male dominated society and males have long regarded females their property, to do with as they please. 😿😾🙀 I'm not surprised by all the allegations of sexual harassment in Hollywood, but it's always disappointing to me when I hear about it, especially when it is one of my favorite actors. Same for me
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Post by papersilly on Nov 1, 2017 21:26:12 GMT
and who is to say there won't be women who get accused to? female casting directors? producers? directors? agents?
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River
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Jun 26, 2014 15:26:04 GMT
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Post by River on Nov 1, 2017 21:36:30 GMT
I'm not surprised by any of this news. : : I do wonder if this much exposure will make a difference going forward. As @justlizzy says, "We live in a male dominated society and males have long regarded females their property, to do with as they please." It seems like it's always been this way and as much as I hope things change, I've got my doubts that it will. Not just in Hollywood, but everywhere. It seems to me that it's still looked at as "men can't control their urges" or that they just "shouldn't" have to control them.
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scrappinmama
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Jun 26, 2014 12:54:09 GMT
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 1, 2017 21:36:42 GMT
In the article Dustin Hoffman is quoted as saying: "I have the utmost respect for women and feel terrible that anything I might have done could have put her in an uncomfortable situation," Hoffman said. "I am sorry. It is not reflective of who I am." These kind of statements are ridiculous. Has he never heard the old saying "Actions speak louder than words." Does Hoffman really think that we are going to believe he has "the utmost respect for women" when he all but admits he harassed a 17 year old female intern? And how are one's actions not reflective of who they are? I've had a huge crush on Dustin Hoffman since I was eleven. This really makes me sad and angry. I read something today that the woman accusing him participated in a back and forth flirtation joking and laughing with hm and then decided it was harassment. They flirted and joked with each other and then he told a joke she didn't like so brought it to his attention and he stopped and by her own account was extremely nice to her. If you "enjoyed the attention" and laughed with him giving the appearance that you were okay with it, does it really count as sexual harrasment? Not excusing anyone, just really wondering if she's really a victim. No that is not sexual harassment to me. If she told him to stop and he continued, then that would be harassment.
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Post by busy on Nov 1, 2017 22:08:21 GMT
I read something today that the woman accusing him participated in a back and forth flirtation joking and laughing with hm and then decided it was harassment. They flirted and joked with each other and then he told a joke she didn't like so brought it to his attention and he stopped and by her own account was extremely nice to her. If you "enjoyed the attention" and laughed with him giving the appearance that you were okay with it, does it really count as sexual harrasment? Not excusing anyone, just really wondering if she's really a victim. No that is not sexual harassment to me. If she told him to stop and he continued, then that would be harassment. I think it's impossible to say without knowing the content of the conversation. If you were engaging in some light, mildly flirtatious banter and then he took a hard right turn to graphic sexual comments - that well could be harassment. (I'm ignoring, for the moment, that she was a 17 year old intern, which makes it out of bounds regardless IMO)
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maryannscraps
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 1, 2017 22:22:46 GMT
In the article Dustin Hoffman is quoted as saying: "I have the utmost respect for women and feel terrible that anything I might have done could have put her in an uncomfortable situation," Hoffman said. "I am sorry. It is not reflective of who I am." These kind of statements are ridiculous. Has he never heard the old saying "Actions speak louder than words." Does Hoffman really think that we are going to believe he has "the utmost respect for women" when he all but admits he harassed a 17 year old female intern? And how are one's actions not reflective of who they are? I've had a huge crush on Dustin Hoffman since I was eleven. This really makes me sad and angry. I read something today that the woman accusing him participated in a back and forth flirtation joking and laughing with hm and then decided it was harassment. They flirted and joked with each other and then he told a joke she didn't like so brought it to his attention and he stopped and by her own account was extremely nice to her. If you "enjoyed the attention" and laughed with him giving the appearance that you were okay with it, does it really count as sexual harrasment? Not excusing anyone, just really wondering if she's really a victim. At my husband's company, flirting and telling sexual jokes with a 17 year old intern under your supervision would get you put on probation. Not okay at all. Hoffman was in a position of power over her at her job, and she was under 18. He should know better. I can't believe how unprofessional the entertainment industry is.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 22:54:50 GMT
I read something today that the woman accusing him participated in a back and forth flirtation joking and laughing with hm and then decided it was harassment. They flirted and joked with each other and then he told a joke she didn't like so brought it to his attention and he stopped and by her own account was extremely nice to her. If you "enjoyed the attention" and laughed with him giving the appearance that you were okay with it, does it really count as sexual harrasment? Not excusing anyone, just really wondering if she's really a victim. No that is not sexual harassment to me. If she told him to stop and he continued, then that would be harassment. Maybe inappropriate and could be a problem, but not harassment. It was 30 years ago. If others come forward, a totally different answer from me. She called him on it and he stopped. The equivalent of NO.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 1, 2017 23:01:40 GMT
I am almost afraid to say this, but I fear that some of the accusations that don’t pass the legal definitions will water down the real crimes that have gone one. And we need to have a definitive way to explain to our sons what is boorish behavior, what is mysoginistic, and what is criminal. Because there’s a whole lot of lost guys out there that it’s not clear for.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2017 23:02:39 GMT
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LeaP
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Location: Los Angeles, CA where 405 meets 101
Jun 26, 2014 23:17:22 GMT
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Post by LeaP on Nov 1, 2017 23:12:22 GMT
There are a lot of skeevy people in this town. In 5th grade, the dad of one of my daughter's friends told her he was a writer, director, producer and that if she was "good" he would put her in a show. Gag, she never went over to that house again. Somebody who actually does one or all three of those things doesn't really brag about it.
The hierarchy in film is very rigid and men have the lion share of the power. People are so taken with the idea of fame that some will put up with almost anything. When my kid took acting lessons at a place down the street from my house, there were people who would fly their kid in from Minnesota weekly for the class and a whole family that would commute in from Vegas. It's nuts and unsurprising that there is rampant abuse.
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 1, 2017 23:33:17 GMT
I am surprised that anyone is surprised by all this. We live in a male dominated society and males have long regarded females their property, to do with as they please. 😿😾🙀 I'm not denying that it happens or that these men have treated women this way, but I honestly can say that I have never felt that I was treated as someone's property to do with as they please. I've worked in a pretty much all male office when I was in my late teens and early twenties and although I can say that I've been treated poorly by a man, I can't say that I was treated as his property or sexually harrassed in any way. I surely can't be the only woman who can say #notme.
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Post by laureljean on Nov 1, 2017 23:35:27 GMT
At my husband's company, flirting and telling sexual jokes with a 17 year old intern under your supervision would get you put on probation. Not okay at all. Hoffman was in a position of power over her at her job, and she was under 18. He should know better. I can't believe how unprofessional the entertainment industry is. Exactly. She was 17, still a child and he had no business talking to her that way. Also, I don't think rampant harassment is an entertainment business thing. I work in healthcare, and oh my, could I tell stories. Sadly, I think it is the norm for most industries. As long as our culture supports it (and that includes the "boys will be boys" mentality and blaming the victim) it will be the norm. Stepping off my soapbox
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