Mary Kay Lady
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Nov 4, 2017 5:46:52 GMT
I have a friend who is a single mother of 6 children. The oldest is 18 or 19 and is away from the home at college. He does come home for breaks. (Thanksgiving, Christmas, summer)
I believe the youngest child is 11. All of the children are healthy and able-bodied. Friend is feeling very overwhelmed with running a household of this size. She has no support from extended family on either side. Ex is financially supportive but isn't a good influence on the children. (I can't go into details, but believe me when I say it's not safe for Daddy to be around the children!)
What are some tips that you can share for managing a family of this size. Any and all tips are welcome!
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Post by mom26 on Nov 4, 2017 6:26:08 GMT
I'm a mom of 6, albeit not single but we also have zero family to assist us with anything. The biggest help for us was a giant Chore Chart. I used a big white board with the kids' names/chores in a grid pattern. Chores alternated so no one got stuck with the same 'undesirable' chore(s) all the time. To make it easy on me, I just bumped the names up every Sunday night. Top name went to the bottom and the rest moved up.
We also had a 1st of the month 'check in' for suggestions/complaints/etc. Usually at dinner time or a Saturday morning - whenever we could get everyone in the same room for at least 10 minutes. Everyone was much more cooperative if they felt they had a voice and it was heard.
Calendar for weekly/monthly menus with on-hand options for quick meals when time/circumstances don't work the way you thought it would. Quick meals are lifesavers.
Truth be told, though, it's tough and it will always have its chaos and rocky times. But you do get through it. My youngest is now 20 and DH and I sometimes marvel at how the hell we survived it all. Especially now that we are grandparents and watching our kids struggle with managing THEIR (much smaller) broods, lol.
Best of luck to your friend. I feel for her, I do.
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momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Nov 4, 2017 11:46:25 GMT
I think getting organized will likely make her life a lot easier. I know when I had no idea who was coming or going or what was to happen next, it felt chaotic.
I only had 4 but when they were younger their schedules were hectic with the normal kid stuff. I suggest a big calendar for activities. I had different marker colors for each kid so a quick glance told you who needed to be where when. She could easily add dinners to the calendar also, I often decided dinners on the weekend, coordinated with activities/how much time we'd have that night.
Household chores - schedule and assign. If it works that most of them are home on the weekend and she can assign chores and they can all work together to knock it out, great. If it works better to do things daily, great - but make a list and stick to it. I find even for myself now that the kids are grown, things only get done consistently if I stick to a routine.
It at first might feel crazy to schedule out every single thing, but organization is the key, things will start to run well when on a schedule.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Nov 4, 2017 12:01:48 GMT
I only have four and have a DH but he travels extensively for work so a good share of the day to day has been on me.
I will reiterate organization. From using a planner to having your house organized. Clutter just equates to anxiety to me.
I have had positive experiences, both as the child in a large family and as the parent, of working together as a team. Older teens were asked to pick up groceries or run somebody to practice. Sometimes they were asked to babysit because it was needed and occasionally because their parent(s) needed a break. My children are now 26,26,18 and 12. They get along fabulously, enjoy spending time with each other and prioritize each other--they go to their siblings events, they show up for what's important to their little brother, etc. Same for me and my siblings many years later. It's one off my proudest accomplishments and biggest blessings.
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pridemom
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Post by pridemom on Nov 4, 2017 12:20:11 GMT
Another with 'only' four kids here. Each kid does their own laundry. Each kid packs their own lunch. Chore chart to assign dishes, trash, yard work, and the rest of household chores. A meal menu is a must for me or I stress. A large wall calendar is my big thing-- put it on my calendar or I can't get you there. Driving teens help with drop offs and pick ups for after school stuff.
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hannahruth
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Post by hannahruth on Nov 4, 2017 12:49:22 GMT
My sister has five girls now ranging between 43 and 35 but when they were little she was so organised and it was amazing how things just seemed to fall into place - especially when I only had two and never seemed as together as she was.
Obviously the older girls helped with the younger and had different sort of chores but everyone had something that they had to do regardless of age.
To me she kept everyone involved as even that she has DH he was a fireman so was not at home that often because of work shifts etc. He helped out when he was home and was involved in their sports where he could be.
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 4, 2017 13:09:44 GMT
Another with 'only' four kids here. Each kid does their own laundry. Each kid packs their own lunch. Chore chart to assign dishes, trash, yard work, and the rest of household chores. A meal menu is a must for me or I stress. A large wall calendar is my big thing-- put it on my calendar or I can't get you there. Driving teens help with drop offs and pick ups for after school stuff. This is similar to our situation, except for the big calendar. My four kids (12-20) each have a smart phone and we use the Cozi app to keep track of everyone’s schedules, as well as make/add to shopping lists. We also text each other a lot. I know smart phones for all the kids aren’t financially feasible or desirable for some families, but they really are a necessity for us. I have a husband who is our main financial support (I also work full-time), but due to his job he’s gone more than he’s home (currently in Afghanistan), so I know how hard it is to do the day-to-day parenting and household management on your own. I also have no family in the area. Big hugs to your friend and all parents doing it on their own. It can be so overwhelming at times.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 4, 2017 15:27:22 GMT
White knuckle it for the next seven years. After that they should all be out of the nest.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 4, 2017 16:05:00 GMT
I came from a big family and the only way my parents could make it work was for everyone to pitch in and help. We all had our specific jobs to do and we did them. It’s easier to get the kids to do their part if they’re taught that from the start when they’re really young, once they’re older it’s harder to get them on board.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2017 16:48:02 GMT
I only have four as well. All boys, ages 14, 12, almost 9 and just turned 6. The older two have been in sports for awhile now but now we are adding the third one to tracks sports as well. DH and I both work full-time. I struggle with feeling overwhelmed a lot, especially by the housework. I've been saying it for awhile, but we need to get the kids on board with doing more of the chores. They help when asked but when we have tried to do a regular chore list we don't follow through due to sports schedules or because I am not home (working late) to supervise everything. It is really driving me nuts right now. The house is a constant mess and I can't keep up with the normal day to day cleaning let alone deep cleaning. Part of my problem is that I have the idea that the house needs to be spotless before we can't start a chore chart. So I am telling myself right now that we can start where we are and keep working on the deep cleaning as we get better at the day to day stuff. Another issues is that I am not sure what to expect from the kids on days when they have practice after school.
Along with having everyone do chores, cutting down on the clutter is a big help as well.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Nov 4, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
Mom of 5 here. When my kids were little I did make-ahead meals quite often - I didn't use them every day but when things were hectic they were a lifesaver.
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MaryMary
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 4, 2017 17:52:39 GMT
Mom of 5, but have never had to do it on my own without support. That would be rough. I will reiterate what everyone else has said, older kids do their own laundry. Everyone has chores. I’m not always great at doing this, but having a meal plan makes things go much smoother than without.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 4, 2017 17:55:05 GMT
I only have four as well. All boys, ages 14, 12, almost 9 and just turned 6. The older two have been in sports for awhile now but now we are adding the third one to tracks sports as well. DH and I both work full-time. I struggle with feeling overwhelmed a lot, especially by the housework. I've been saying it for awhile, but we need to get the kids on board with doing more of the chores. They help when asked but when we have tried to do a regular chore list we don't follow through due to sports schedules or because I am not home (working late) to supervise everything. It is really driving me nuts right now. The house is a constant mess and I can't keep up with the normal day to day cleaning let alone deep cleaning. Part of my problem is that I have the idea that the house needs to be spotless before we can't start a chore chart. So I am telling myself right now that we can start where we are and keep working on the deep cleaning as we get better at the day to day stuff. Another issues is that I am not sure what to expect from the kids on days when they have practice after school. Along with having everyone do chores, cutting down on the clutter is a big help as well. I only have two boys, but the sports were almost every night and Saturdays. My boys were responsible for cleaning their rooms, their laundry, cleaning the lower level of the house (DH did the bathroom), dishes, make their lunch for the next day, emptying the dishwasher, taking care of the lawn and snow removal, and often pitched in vacuuming and would clean all of mini blinds in the house (only chore that offered a cash reward). They had all of these chores by the time they were 7. For them, it was just normal. None of these chores were too much when they were in sports/school. The rule was they had to have the weekly stuff done by noon on Sunday if they wanted to leave the house, watch tv, or play with their electronics. It was amazing what they could get done doing a little each week day so Sunday afternoon was all about doing whatever they wanted. My husband also did housework, so I was left with a reasonable amount of chores on the weekend too.
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Mary Kay Lady
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Nov 5, 2017 1:31:00 GMT
Thanks so much for all of the input and suggestions. It sounds like organization is key along with having the kids help with the chores.
If there are any other suggestions that others add I'll be sure to pass them along.
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mlana
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Post by mlana on Nov 5, 2017 21:59:29 GMT
My uncle married a lady with 6 kids and they were the most industrious kids you’ve ever met. Aunt F had started teaching them how to run a house when each was small, boys and girls alike. She kept a list of chores, divided by age appropriateness, and made sure that each child rotated thru the list regularly. There was no division of labor based on gender, only on age.
When my son was an infant, I asked her to explain how she’d done it. I was surprised when she had a very detailed description of her process, but given how awesome her family turned out, I guess it was a question she was asked a lot.
she said - start early - as soon as a child can walk, they can help. and they WANT to when they’re very young. If you wait until they are older, they EXPECT things to be done for them since that’s how they’ve always be done. A small child may not be able to do a whole chore by themselves, but they can do part of it while someone else does the rest and supervises the child. Bathroom chores and vacuuming are great for this.
break each chore down into steps and let them know why each step is important - this makes the chore a true learning experience and encourages them to use what they’ve learned doing one chore to do another. they’ll learn new chores faster if they can apply the reasoning behind the first chore’s process to the new chore. Also, they may see a better way to do the chore than you do and you BOTH may learn something new.
Group chores so that each set slightly overlaps with someone else’s set, but not so that one kid has to do theirs before the next kid can do theirs. Overlapping meant that if one didn’t do the job right, the other kid caught it and either tattled or called the first kid back to do it again.
Aunt F made lists of the chore groups and had them laminated when the kids were younger; once the older 3 proved they could do every chore, she allowed them to break up the groupings into how the 3 of them preferred to do them. They passed their groupings on to the younger 3 who also made changes. The kids ranked the chores themselves as to which were preferred and which were to be avoided. they also made sure no one got stuck with all the bad chores UNLESS that kid had been a butt. Aunt F said she could always tell who had been slacking by the way the chore groupings were amended on any given week.
Once the kids are old enough to learn a chore, Mom should never do it alone. she should be demonstrating how it’s done or supervising as it’s done. Once the first child has the chore down pat, they teach the next child. Aunt F said the kids always wanted to be the first to learn how to do a new chore because it not only gave them some alone time with her, it also gave them bossing rights over the next kid in line.
Set aside time each Sat to do chores that aren’t done during the week. EVERYONE is home for this time unless there is a major event. (With 6 kids on a single income, none did sports or other activities; this changed some after she married my uncle). Sat chores were done as a family, and there was always a treat afterwards. They worked together, then they played together.
This idea of the kids doing all the chores in the home may sound awful, like child labor, but it really wasn’t. My aunt, pre and post marriage to my uncle, worked long hard hours. After she and Uncle G married, he insisted she go to school so she could get a job that didn’t require she stand on her feet all day. He worked really long days, too, on heavy equipment, and came home pretty exhausted. When they got home, the house was clean and the chores and homework were done, so they ate their supper and then spent time with the kids. From the time they came thru the door until the last child went to bed, the kids had their full attention.
I only had 2 kids and they were really far apart. I used my aunt’s suggestions with both kids, though, and I think I was fairly successful. My oldest used to climb in the tub to get the far side when I was cleaning the bathroom. He taught DD as a toddler to take her wash cloth and wipe around the tub to get rid of the ring after every bath. when he got older and wanted to be more involved with sports, I had an infant and was very involved in running our business. I offered to trade him transportation time for him doing more chores. He agreed and he took over bringing laundry up and down the stairs, cleaning both bathrooms instead of just his own, and vacuuming on the nights he didn’t have practice. When DD also wanted to do sports, she naturally approached me with a list in hand of what chores she could take over to give me more time to drive for her.
My DS married someone who is disabled; he does most of the chores in their home. He doesn’t seem to think it’s any big deal since he already knew how they were done and he likes them done his way. My DD didn’t have a meal plan at college when it wasn’t required; she was able to cook for herself on a much lower budget than a plan would have cost. when she moved back home, one of the first things she did was ask what chores would I like her to be responsible for. She took the ones that I find difficult because of my asthma and the ones she was particularly ticky about.
both of my kids have told me that, for them, doing chores wasn’t something they dreaded or fought about because they understood WHY they were doing them. Everyone in the house had a role to play to make our life run smoother. They understood the give and take involved with taking on more chores. They also liked that I made them understand that I kept changing their chore list so that they would know how to do everything when they left home. Preparing for independence just sounds better than doing chores, I guess.
Marcy
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