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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 5:13:41 GMT
Did you tell them they have been doing algebra since kindergarten? If I had to math in school again, I would work constantly on the times table. And learning the "tricks/fun facts".
You might have a class full of visual learners? They need to see how it works.
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Post by scrappychick on Nov 8, 2017 5:23:10 GMT
I'm not a teacher, but work in an elementary school. As a mom of a 14 year old barely passing Algebra 1 right now, you have my deepest sympathies. Does your school have a PBIS system in place? I know it's hard to motivate them at that level, but maybe you can start to reward good behaviors with things like candy/snacks?
I only work with 4th graders, but we've just started using class dojo to assign and deduct points. We're adding "dojo dollars" that will be given out -a set amount at the start of the week, and then they earn more each day. They will have to pay the teacher back for every disruption or unprepared/ off task behavior. At the end of the week, the kids can shop for prizes. We have things like snacks, homework passes, free time, etc.
I have no idea how you could get them interested in passing, but maybe they'll learn some math once they start being more respectful/responsible in class! I just don't understand why a kid wouldn't try to at least pass the class to avoid summer school, or taking it again the next year!
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 8, 2017 5:59:07 GMT
I feel for you. I have a class of 33 8th graders and another class of 33 7th graders. I also teach math. My other class is science to the same kids. The lack of desire to do work is HUGE with my students. I have also instituted math lunch with me. They come with NO MATH. I don't get it. I've called home. I've issued detention. Nothing seems to motivate many of these kids. Just this week, I’ve revamped my classroom management to 1warning, time out, letter home, sent to the office. I was giving too many warnings because nothing is ever done when the kid goes to the office. Parents don't care if you call or send notes or emails or whatever. It's RIDICULOUS! Basically, it's all on me to get these kids motivated. One thing my school (we are k-8, not HS but it might work?) has started to do is to assign the failing kids to "mentor" teachers. These are teachers who are not their regular ones. They have no say in their grades. They are more interested in the kids just being successful. They check in with the kids daily or weekly or somewhere in between. Whatever works for them as a team, I’ve seen things turn around in a big way for a few. I went from half my classes failing to about a quarter. The f's have gone up to VERY LOW D's but they're at least passing. For grading, I give credit if every single problem was attempted in some form. Half credit is given if it's turned in the same day before school is out. I do not take late work. I'm going to be following this thread because I can always use ideas to help me out. Know you're not alone in this game.
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Post by gritzi on Nov 8, 2017 6:05:12 GMT
The class sounds challenging and might possibly require some creativity to capture their learning interests & capabilities. Are the other Algebra 1 classes more balanced? If so, it would seem that those responsible for scheduling would have noticed the students assigned to your class.
Unfortunately, those w/ADD, ADHD, etc fight that battle 24/7. It's a health issue no different than diabetes and other ailments, except many adults and peers refuse to accept, acknowledge or wish to help. There is a negative stigma attached to that diagnosis which truly stinks! Are there IEPs or 504s in place to help them? Is it possible for an instructional assistant, or approved volunteer, to be added to help with that class?
Hope you find some solutions that help!
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Post by nlwilkins on Nov 8, 2017 7:36:22 GMT
Won't get out pencils? don't use pencils. Give group work since they are so social. Like have them work in groups to solve problems. Think of real world problems that need algebra to handle, give each group a different problem and then they are to report to the class how they solved their problem. If they like to be social and get out of their seat, then give them work that makes them do that. Have them create posters in groups of the things they have to memorize -give them magazines to cut pics out of to illustrate other algebra things. Your classroom will not be quiet but perhaps the students will get involved in the work. It sounds like they are not going to be passing anyway, so what harm to try it their way instead of your way.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 8, 2017 15:16:27 GMT
Won't get out pencils? don't use pencils. Give group work since they are so social. Like have them work in groups to solve problems. Think of real world problems that need algebra to handle, give each group a different problem and then they are to report to the class how they solved their problem. If they like to be social and get out of their seat, then give them work that makes them do that. Have them create posters in groups of the things they have to memorize -give them magazines to cut pics out of to illustrate other algebra things. Your classroom will not be quiet but perhaps the students will get involved in the work. It sounds like they are not going to be passing anyway, so what harm to try it their way instead of your way. This is great in theory. I love doing it from time to time. HOWEVER, algebra requires direct instruction and practice. It can't all be done via projects and self directed research. What happens when it's test time? Group tests? Nope. What about standardized tests? Those are individual. If the kids can't think for themselves and get it out on the computer or paper, they will fail and the teacher is then blamed for the scores.
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Post by clarencelynn on Nov 8, 2017 15:59:46 GMT
I'm not a teacher but nlwikins post made me think that some type of team competition might interest the class in learning. I have no suggestions as to how to incorporate team competition however.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 16:18:22 GMT
How about a points system that will help kids feel like they are winning where algebra is concerned. Some ideas to include are:
- For each homework assignment turned in on time they get one "free" question on their final exam. - For each passing grade give them another "free" question on their semester final exam. - For every reminder to get pencil and paper out they will loose their accumulated points. - Make the students keep up with their points, too. This puts a level of responsibility on them. You and the student can match up points at the end of the grading period. - Have a Friday casino day where where you play card and dice games to reinforce their multiplication skills that will make their work easier. This will help with not having to deal with paper and pencil reminders for at least one day a week. - Jeopardy trivia on Monday that reinforces the simple concepts from the previous week. For each correct question throw out a piece of candy and add a point or 1/2 point to their 6 week grade. This will help the blurting.
The kids that are failing algebra need to know their level of effort is being noticed when they do try. There is nothing more frustrating than going to class, doing your best to hear and understand what the teacher is saying, and then fail a test with nothing to show for what you did do. Let students know they yes they can learn Algebra by showing them the points they accumulate with their efforts.
Signed - ideas from a woman who had to take Algebra 1 three times in high school in order to pass and barely scrapped through Algebra and Statistics in college.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 8, 2017 17:52:47 GMT
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Post by Really Red on Nov 8, 2017 18:20:34 GMT
How about a points system that will help kids feel like they are winning where algebra is concerned. Some ideas to include are: - For each homework assignment turned in on time they get one "free" question on their final exam. - For each passing grade give them another "free" question on their semester final exam. - For every reminder to get pencil and paper out they will loose their accumulated points. - Make the students keep up with their points, too. This puts a level of responsibility on them. You and the student can match up points at the end of the grading period. - Have a Friday casino day where where you play card and dice games to reinforce their multiplication skills that will make their work easier. This will help with not having to deal with paper and pencil reminders for at least one day a week.- Jeopardy trivia on Monday that reinforces the simple concepts from the previous week. For each correct question throw out a piece of candy and add a point or 1/2 point to their 6 week grade. This will help the blurting. The kids that are failing algebra need to know their level of effort is being noticed when they do try. There is nothing more frustrating than going to class, doing your best to hear and understand what the teacher is saying, and then fail a test with nothing to show for what you did do. Let students know they yes they can learn Algebra by showing them the points they accumulate with their efforts. Signed - ideas from a woman who had to take Algebra 1 three times in high school in order to pass and barely scrapped through Algebra and Statistics in college. I love these two ideas. Think of how good you feel when someone notices what you do. Nothing is more important. But how incredibly ridiculous that you have to teach a class with all (or nearly all) of students who struggle. No one can do right by that. No one. So you have to seriously think outside the box. Of course you could manage with 8-10, but 32? No way. I like that they are nice kids. But good ideas only get you so far, right? These kids probably have some learning disabilities and you cannot make those change. So one day in class, ask them this question: What do you want out of this class? If you give me a thoughtful answer (not "I want to pass the class"), then I will give you a 100 quiz grade. Can they all focus enough to write out the answers? If not, have them tell you personally. Then LISTEN to them. I know this isn't helpful to your standards of learning and what you have to do for them, but you know what they say about horses and water, right? Then you tell them what YOU want. Then you tell them what the school/system wants. And you ask for suggestions on how to make that work. You are all working together to compromise. (I am still shaking my head at 32 kids who struggle in one class - doomed to failure!) I do not believe you're going to get what you or what the school wants, but you should get more than what the kids are giving now. Even if you get through half the school year, you're teaching them more than they would know otherwise. As well you know, math is a building block. You may be able to step over one block, but not more. You have to understand each block. If you're getting them to understand 10 blocks instead of the 20 they need to pass, you're more than likely still getting them to understand more than they would otherwise and that will make them feel more powerful.
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Post by beebee on Nov 8, 2017 19:19:33 GMT
How about dividing the class into teams and having contests on the board to solve one problem at a time. Figure out a point system where each kid earns points according to how much you have to step in and help them. For example, 2 points if they do the problem without assistance and 1 point if they need help. Sometimes the competitive spirit gets kids excited and eager to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 19:42:26 GMT
Saying again. Work the times table. It is so important
If you able to get them to answer honestly what they really think about math, the one answer you are going to get is
They failing at it and they feel like they are the only ones. It isn't easy for them. They have been surrounded by people who understand and get it all of their school career. They don't and they don't know why. Nobody has explain the magic of multiplying by 3, or telling them that neither number being added together can be bigger than the product. Nobody has ever showed them them tricks to add quickly or make an estimate. Plus nobody has ever told them, it's okay to wrong, going back and learning why it is wrong is the lesson
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Post by Pahina722 on Nov 8, 2017 20:07:34 GMT
First, if 31 of 32 are 3 or more years below grade level, I doubt that any of them are ready for Algebra I. So, figure out what math level they are at and work to improve that. (I know it probably won't be the required curriculum, but they aren't going to pass the end of course exam anyway. Maybe you can at least get them to improve enough to make a difference in subsequent classes.)
To deal with the lack of discipline and preparedness, institute a participation grade worth maybe 20% of their grades. Begin each quarter with every student having the lowest C grade in that category. For every day they come to class ready to go with homework done, pencils ready, etc. add one point. For every day they don't, subtract a point. Every time you have to reprimand a student, s/he loses a point. Every time the student volunteers to answer a question or participates positively, add a point. Every interruption loses a point. Every POSITIVE helping another student adds a point. If the kids care at all about their grade, they will quickly learn to fall inline. It takes a bit of work in the beginning on your part, but it does work. I made up a seating chart to track it. Tick marks above the name were positive, blow the name negative. And I would let students look at it to see how they were doing--very motivational.
I'd also split them into small groups of four or six and have them work together on daily exercises. If the group gets finished and gets a percentage you set correct, the whole group gets a good grade. Students get more out of working together--and you can circulate through through the room answering questions and helping as needed. When I do this with grammar exercises, student understanding and test grades are better than when they work individually, even though they are testing individually.
I taught full classes of what were then called "skills" level classes, which were by definition students 3 or more years below grade level. there was no way that supposedly 11th grade students who were reading at an 8th grade or lower level could handle the American literature mandated for high school juniors. You're in the same situation only in Algebra I. If your admin doesn't split up this class among several other higher level classes, you're going to have to adjust your curriculum down!
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Post by donna on Nov 8, 2017 20:07:51 GMT
Have you ever considered flipping your classroom? There are a lot of resources online about it. I was heavily researching doing it with my Chemistry classes before I had to leave on disability.
I used small white boards with my classes and it worked very well. The kids loved using them. I made them from a large sheet of shower board I purchased at Lowe’s. I could project a problem and the students would work it on the white board and the hold it up to see if they worked it correctly. They got immediate feedback and I could easily see common misconceptions.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 8, 2017 20:33:40 GMT
Have you ever read Teach Like a Champion? I read it about 5 years before I retired and it gave me a renewed energy in the classroom. I had little notes posted all around the room to remind me to say or do certain things since their were so many GREAT suggestions in the book.
Another thing you might want to consider is asking to observe an elementary school teacher or two. I went to an Open House at my son's high school and his science teacher said she had observed some elementary school teachers and watched how they had the kids interact and grouped them similarly with group materials/supplies. My son loved that class because it wasn't based on lecture as much as the teacher spoke for no more than five minutes and then had the kids interacting and working to complete small steps of a task. He also earned 8 college science credits for the yearlong class. It wasn't an easy course.
Kids who are really low just aren't motivated by normal lessons. Could you incorporate some "Escape the Room" lessons that involve kids solving problems to open different locks or clues to solve a problem? EDU Breakout Games has the kits (you can make them yourself) and then you apply your objectives to the lessons. You can have kids compete in two teams or give them a certain amount of time that if they complete the challenge there isn't any homework or whatever you choose.
When all else fails, remember that kids are a lot like puppies. They thrive on kudos and small treats. Praising goes a long way with kids who hate math. I used to keep a pocketful of Smarties as I walked around the room and handed them out. It was amazing how hard they would work for those. You'd even get kids pointing out how helpful their neighbor was and they began to have a better team mentality.
I taught elementary school, so my kids were used to all of these "hooks." My husband taught high school for 27 years and he often tried lots of my ideas and the kids loved it. He teaches at the college level now and last week emailed all of his students in one of his more challenging classes and told them to make sure they showed up for class because there would be games and candy. It was on the Tuesday of Halloween and kids often miss classes that day. He said he had a full class and they reviewed for a test by using games and passed out candy to winners and his kids thanked him for doing something different. It does take more effort, but structure and fun do make for a more motivated class.
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Post by mom on Nov 8, 2017 22:49:25 GMT
I have been teaching 11 years and never had a class like this. Simply put, I have a large class (32) of Algebra 1 students that include: 12 students who are failing every single class they have excluding PE and art. 31 students who are 3 year or more below grade level.8 "extreme disruptors". MOst will not get out a pencil unless I walk around reminding them individually. They have issues with ADD, Adhd, loud talking. getting up out of seats constantly, blurting and just general immature behavior I have assigned lunch time with me (which they sadly seem to enjoy and it does not discourage them from coming). I have talked to most parents who are very nice but tell me things to the effect that they have no control of their child and just hope they pass a class or two. ON a positive note: They are all nice kids with little to no bullying. They get along well (too well). Attendance is high probably because they are too young to drive. I usually have 30 out of 32 students every day. Any suggestions as to what to do to "hook" some of these kids. They get extremely frustrated because they do not receive one on one help from me and do not avail themselves of the lists of "help" ideas. I feel like I need to reboot and restart but am just not sure where to begin. Thanks. If they are 3 years or more behind then they aren't ready to learn Algebra 1. Go back to the basics and start there. No rewards system is going to help these kids if they don't understand the basics first. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 23:51:19 GMT
Another idea
Can you find retired math teachers, engineers...anybody who does/deals with math to help you with this class?
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 9, 2017 0:17:12 GMT
Another idea Can you find retired math teachers, engineers...anybody who does/deals with math to help you with this class? If they are three years behind, you might not need people who even deal with math that much. Great idea. I volunteer every Friday at an elementary school. It is much more fun to volunteer than have to be the boss!
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Post by AnastasiaBeaverhausn on Nov 9, 2017 0:26:32 GMT
I'd try classcraft rather than class dojo. It is more geared for older students.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 9, 2017 0:41:20 GMT
Won't get out pencils? don't use pencils. Give group work since they are so social. Like have them work in groups to solve problems. Think of real world problems that need algebra to handle, give each group a different problem and then they are to report to the class how they solved their problem. If they like to be social and get out of their seat, then give them work that makes them do that. Have them create posters in groups of the things they have to memorize -give them magazines to cut pics out of to illustrate other algebra things. Your classroom will not be quiet but perhaps the students will get involved in the work. It sounds like they are not going to be passing anyway, so what harm to try it their way instead of your way. This is great in theory. I love doing it from time to time. HOWEVER, algebra requires direct instruction and practice. It can't all be done via projects and self directed research. What happens when it's test time? Group tests? Nope. What about standardized tests? Those are individual. If the kids can't think for themselves and get it out on the computer or paper, they will fail and the teacher is then blamed for the scores. there is a whole curricula based around the group work and not using di. It is core connections. Ds school has used it for a while. My hs is piloting it this year. Ok, we have a similar issue. We've used some extra time built into the day to add some extra time for our harder cases. We also have built in time, 45 min per week after school for each subject.
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