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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 17:13:12 GMT
If it's true that most previous mass killers have violence in their background, does this mean this nut job may be the next one that takes his frustration out on more people? Does he have a gun?
The neighbor just pleaded "not guilty." Seems like it would have been pretty easy to figure out. Five broken ribs and bruised lungs are not a "small" injury. The man's lawyer said it was "trivial" reason and something that wouldn't happen again in a million years. Maybe the attacker needs to be mentally evaluated.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 9, 2017 17:18:34 GMT
I think he should be mentally evaluated.
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Post by Montannie on Nov 9, 2017 17:21:44 GMT
Do you mean Rand Paul? I think he's probably a jerky neighbor, and the guy who tackled him is, too.
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Post by AN on Nov 9, 2017 17:28:59 GMT
From the little I read, it sounded like it was motivated by some neighborhood issue, not random or political.
Think Rand left his garbage bins at the end of the driveway after trash day?
So, in summary, no, I haven't seen any indication that makes me think there's a bigger risk to the public lurking.
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Post by casii on Nov 9, 2017 17:33:30 GMT
Huh, wonder how he has the hubris to enter a not guilty plea. All those broken ribs speak for themselves.
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Post by tracyarts on Nov 9, 2017 17:39:57 GMT
If the neighbor beat him hard enough to break multiple bones over something as trivial as a neighborhood dispute, then I disagree, the attacker is out of control and dangerous and needs to definitely be evaluated for mental illness. That degree of physical rage over that trivial of a provocation is a huge red flag for violent instability. What happens if he escalates? From the little I read, it sounded like it was motivated by some neighborhood issue, not random or political. Think Rand left his garbage bins at the end of the driveway after trash day? So, in summary, no, I haven't seen any indication that makes me think there's a bigger risk to the public lurking.
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Post by AN on Nov 9, 2017 17:45:22 GMT
Huh, wonder how he has the hubris to enter a not guilty plea. All those broken ribs speak for themselves. Just because you did something doesn't mean you're "guilty" in terms of the law. I haven't read the details on the charges, but often certain charges require pre-meditation, use of a weapon, etc -- and that can be effectively argued to either get a lesser charge or a plea deal. For example, if the charge included using a weapon, and the prosecutor was claiming your fists were the weapon, a defense attorney could argue that and potentially get a lesser charge. Not saying that's the case here, haven't read enough about what happened (it has all seemed to be quite vague), but it would be pretty stupid to straight-up plead guilty if you have a competent attorney. Did I read this guy was a doctor? I'm sure he has an excellent defense attorney. If the neighbor beat him hard enough to break multiple bones over something as trivial as a neighborhood dispute, then I disagree, the attacker is out of control and dangerous and needs to definitely be evaluated for mental illness. That degree of physical rage over that trivial of a provocation is a huge red flag for violent instability. What happens if he escalates? Fair enough. All I'll say is I wouldn't want to be in a public spin war with a politician. The way this all has been reported has been very suspect to me. Rand Paul's camp got out early and kept details quite vague - I wouldn't be surprised if there are some mitigating circumstances of provocation by Paul, some claim of self-defense, etc.
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Post by azredhead on Nov 9, 2017 17:45:23 GMT
No I still don't think it's something trival unless the neighbor has anger issues? Or political either way he probably does need to be evaluated. I read he Rand Paul and the Pauls were really nice people, politics aside. My folks had a bat **** crazy person living behind them. My mom didn't like going out in the back yard by herself. They had a deep backyard and his argument was where the property lines were. It was already looked at by city officals and he was wrong. But it was very hostile so you never know what sets people off.
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Post by AN on Nov 9, 2017 17:50:00 GMT
Here's an article on it: www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/politics/behind-rand-pauls-broken-ribs-a-trivial-dispute-lawyer-says.html 1) The guy was charged with a misdemeanor, although they're considering raising it to a felony. This seems to indicate some sort of mitigating circumstance to me. I think Paul's status is also putting pressure on it. 2) I do wonder if the other guy is suffering from some sort of addiction (retired anesthesiologist) or mental issues (early onset dementia)? Or something like that. Because it does sound insane. 3) Paul was out doing yard work, I wonder if he had any tools or anything. Anyway, all of it is just very very bizarre, and I have a hard time believing it was 100% unprovoked. I think the political spin machine is doing its thing to make Paul look like a 100% victim and the other guy look like an HOA terrorist, but I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Post by naby64 on Nov 9, 2017 17:55:53 GMT
I don't think I would go so far as the next mass murderer. I do think that no matter where I had my hedge trimmer out and did say something over the fenceline to my neighbor that it should warrant broken ribs. Provoked, maybe? The straw that broke the camel's back? Could be. But wouldn't you think if there were issue with a political neighbor that you would be tooting that horn to the media way before you broke the guy's ribs?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2017 18:00:33 GMT
The are both doctors and USED to work together......... Not sure but thought some where it said they had been partners.
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 9, 2017 18:01:40 GMT
If the neighbor beat him hard enough to break multiple bones over something as trivial as a neighborhood dispute, then I disagree, the attacker is out of control and dangerous and needs to definitely be evaluated for mental illness. That degree of physical rage over that trivial of a provocation is a huge red flag for violent instability. What happens if he escalates? it'll be an edition of dateline people kill each other over property issues quite commonly i think it happened around here a couple years ago people are just fucking nutso gina
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Post by cmpeter on Nov 9, 2017 18:04:01 GMT
It's pretty hard to break a rib...I am in the "there has to be more to the story" camp.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 9, 2017 18:11:00 GMT
It's pretty hard to break a rib...I am in the "there has to be more to the story" camp. From what I heard he came from behind so it's conceivable that Paul was pushed into his lawnmower which could cause serious damage ~ especially if he didn't hear him. I heard on talk radio this morning that a Google Earth view of the neighborhood shows really big lots ~ not like you'd see in CA where neighbors are a lot closer together. To me, this kind of shows premeditation. He had to walk a bit of a distance to get to Paul not like 20 steps.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 9, 2017 18:12:34 GMT
OP, you might want to change your subject line to correct Rand Paul's name.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 18:18:02 GMT
Do you mean Rand Paul? I think he's probably a jerky neighbor, and the guy who tackled him is, too. yeah, that guy. Save
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Post by Anita on Nov 9, 2017 18:18:46 GMT
What was Paul wearing? I'm sure that we should take that into consideration as to whether he's a victim or it was provoked somehow.
But all kidding aside, yes, the neighbor should be mentally evaluated.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 9, 2017 18:20:21 GMT
That seems like quite a stretch. Without knowing the backstory of the dispute, I can't judge the motivations of the neighbor
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 9, 2017 18:24:04 GMT
It's pretty hard to break a rib...I am in the "there has to be more to the story" camp. Yeah, I thought he must have kicked him in the ribs while he was down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 18:27:08 GMT
Apparently, he was riding ON his riding lawn mower. The neighbor attacked him from behind and he fell off the mower (which could have broken the ribs). But he wouldn't have had any shovels or rakes with him!! Maybe he tried to run over the neighbor? But the neighbor was behind him. We'll probably never know what happened other than the guy attacked him, and Rand fell off his mower! I'd be torked of someone attacked me like that!! I'm glad I don't live in that neighborhood. Maybe the noise of the lawnmower woke the neighbor up from a nap? Whatever it was, it LOOKS like it was over-reaction!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2017 18:43:08 GMT
I think one of their neighbors was on the news the other day and said that they had been at odds for quite awhile but that he has heard this dispute was about garbage.
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Post by annabella on Nov 9, 2017 18:58:29 GMT
Apparently, he was riding ON his riding lawn mower. The neighbor attacked him from behind and he fell off the mower (which could have broken the ribs). But he wouldn't have had any shovels or rakes with him!! Maybe he tried to run over the neighbor? But the neighbor was behind him. We'll probably never know what happened other than the guy attacked him, and Rand fell off his mower! I'd be torked of someone attacked me like that!! I'm glad I don't live in that neighborhood. Maybe the noise of the lawnmower woke the neighbor up from a nap? Whatever it was, it LOOKS like it was over-reaction! Interesting theory! No details are coming out so its very hush hush.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2017 19:02:01 GMT
I'm going with batshit crazy. The lots are huge. There had to be premeditation to walk all the way over to him and tackle him from behind.
I'm gonna lump anyone trying to justify this somehow as batshit crazy too.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 9, 2017 19:02:58 GMT
i'm sure he's on a watch list now. count on it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 19:09:48 GMT
Apparently, he was riding ON his riding lawn mower. The neighbor attacked him from behind and he fell off the mower (which could have broken the ribs). According to the link earlier in the post from the NY Times he'd already stepped off his lawn mower. I think he was pushed from behind and he fell on the lawnmower because he didn't hear his neighbour coming. Reading this account from another neighbour makes it sound like the man just snapped having had enough that Paul thought he could make his own laws up to suit himself.
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Post by peano on Nov 9, 2017 19:15:12 GMT
These guys have a history that goes back to when they were both working as physicians in the same hospital. I read that their conflict relates to neighborhood association types of things, e.g. Rand Paul has a compost pile in violation of the rules.
His attacker, while apparently pretty tightly wound, I feel safe in saying is not going to open fire on innocent people from a Vegas hotel room.
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Post by annabella on Nov 9, 2017 19:24:47 GMT
Makes you wonder if you file a complaint to your HOA or the city regarding your neighbor not following rules, does the city ignore it if its a Congressmen?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:02:25 GMT
I'm going with batshit crazy. The lots are huge. There had to be premeditation to walk all the way over to him and tackle him from behind. I'm gonna lump anyone trying to justify this somehow as batshit crazy too. There is NO WAY I was trying to justify it at all. I think he's got to be crazy too--and crazy people need some intervention!! Save
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:13:05 GMT
I had an ex boyfriend shot his neighbor for mowing the lawn too much. Ex is a spoiled rich kid that got everything his way...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2017 20:32:23 GMT
Anger is an issue. Seems this was explosive anger, far beyond I'll yell at you anger, even beyond I take a swing anger!!
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