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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2017 20:44:51 GMT
Do we know what time it happened? Maybe Paul is one of those folks who mows his lawn at 7 AM on Sunday and this guy had had enough.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 20:47:13 GMT
I think he should be mentally evaluated. I think they both should. Sounds like Paul bought into a community w/covenants about upkeep and doesn't like being told what to do.""He [Paul] believes in less restrictions on property rights. He has strong beliefs on this subject," Skaggs said. "He had to be told very sternly that he needed to follow the rules and restrictions. He did not do anything wrong. But he had to be told sternly to follow the rules. He did not like the rules." Skaggs said he "very much likes" both men, though he noted that Paul "is a very different character than most people." "He's a deep believer in his own thoughts," Skaggs said. "And he believes his own thoughts are right -- and they are right 100% of the time.""
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2017 20:53:36 GMT
"And he believes his own thoughts are right -- and they are right 100% of the time." Well WE know that, unrelated to the assault! ETA: after reading the article. Maybe if it is true that he tackled him from behind, Paul fell on the handle of the lawnmower, THAT would hurt!
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 9, 2017 21:12:10 GMT
I'm not sure what you think a psychological evaluation is going to do? We don't lock up mentally ill people in this country based on psychological conditions, and we certainly don't provide resources to help them get better. So what result do you think that would produce?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 9, 2017 21:24:12 GMT
Paul's attorney says they haven't talked in years: "As to reports of a longstanding dispute with the attacker, the Pauls have had no conversations with him in many years"
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 9, 2017 21:32:45 GMT
I think he should be mentally evaluated. I think they both should. Sounds like Paul bought into a community w/covenants about upkeep and doesn't like being told what to do.""He [Paul] believes in less restrictions on property rights. He has strong beliefs on this subject," Skaggs said. "He had to be told very sternly that he needed to follow the rules and restrictions. He did not do anything wrong. But he had to be told sternly to follow the rules. He did not like the rules." Skaggs said he "very much likes" both men, though he noted that Paul "is a very different character than most people." "He's a deep believer in his own thoughts," Skaggs said. "And he believes his own thoughts are right -- and they are right 100% of the time."" Well I don't particularly like all the rules in our HOA and I may even have a planter on my patio taller than 12" without approval by said HOA but it doesn't mean I need a mental evaluation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:28:35 GMT
I think they both should. Sounds like Paul bought into a community w/covenants about upkeep and doesn't like being told what to do.""He [Paul] believes in less restrictions on property rights. He has strong beliefs on this subject," Skaggs said. "He had to be told very sternly that he needed to follow the rules and restrictions. He did not do anything wrong. But he had to be told sternly to follow the rules. He did not like the rules." Skaggs said he "very much likes" both men, though he noted that Paul "is a very different character than most people." "He's a deep believer in his own thoughts," Skaggs said. "And he believes his own thoughts are right -- and they are right 100% of the time."" Well I don't particularly like all the rules in our HOA and I may even have a planter on my patio taller than 12" without approval by said HOA but it doesn't mean I need a mental evaluation. But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. We have a "pain in the butt" neighbor across the street and down a couple that I'd LOVE to get rid of--but I am NOT going to attack him, or cause him physical harm. I just wish he'd move somewhere else. Save
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 9, 2017 22:40:08 GMT
But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. Right. But it doesn't appear that Paul attacked his neighbor and the comment was that they both needed a mental evaluation and cited more or less that Paul was somehow mentally ill because he didn't like the rules in his HOA and had to be told "sternly" to abide by them.
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 9, 2017 22:48:33 GMT
I wouldn't go so far as to say the neighbor is in danger of becoming a mass murderer, but he obviously has a serious problem with his temper. He is fortunate he did not kill Rand Paul or cause even more serious bodily harm than he did. I have no idea what kind of neighbor Rand Paul is, but I can't imagine that anything he did would justify an attack from the back (if that indeed is how it happened).
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 9, 2017 22:50:45 GMT
But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. BF used to have a doozy of a neighbor and i wouldn't have blamed her! gina
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:59:38 GMT
But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. Right. But it doesn't appear that Paul attacked his neighbor and the comment was that they both needed a mental evaluation and cited more or less that Paul was somehow mentally ill because he didn't like the rules in his HOA and had to be told "sternly" to abide by them. My inference was that he other guy was nuts because he attacked Rand. People aren't supposed to attack their neighbor. That's not too neighborly, and also against the law. If Paul was doing something against the HOA, you address it at an HOA meeting. I have a sister that lives in an HOA subdivision, and everything goes through them. If the HOA doesn't address it, then maybe it wasn't such a big problem. (anyhow in my sister's neighborhood you can't even leave your garage door opened for more than an hour). Seems a little "restrictive" to me, but they chose to live there, and knew the rules before they moved in. If they get "caught" then they have to pay a fine. It's an "old folks" subdivision. Sometimes old people might take an hour just to get to the garage door. Save
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 9, 2017 23:01:44 GMT
Anger is an issue. Seems this was explosive anger, far beyond I'll yell at you anger, even beyond I take a swing anger!! I think anger has become a real issue in our country. We stoke it, encourage it, reward it, excuse bad behavior ass a result of it... but then want to scream foul - and blame myriad other things - when anger results in heinous injury or death.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 9, 2017 23:08:42 GMT
I read that Paul was letting his grass clippings fly over to the guy's lawn, as part of one of several events that had happened in an ongoing dispute between the two. Maybe his neighbor had just finally had it? I don't know, but doing a football tackle move isn't very smart, no matter how angry you are at your neighbor.
Sounds like they both have issues. (Also, I'm surprised he mows his own lawn.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 0:10:39 GMT
Interesting. Other neighbors of Rand Paul come to his defense, say the attack was completely unwarranted. Sen. Rand Paul’s neighbors are coming out in droves to defend the Kentucky Republican, who sustained serious injuries after being attacked outside his house in Bowling Green, Kentucky, Friday. Paul, who suffered six broken ribs and a pleural effusion, was blindsided and tackled by his neighbor of 17 years, Dr. Rene Boucher, 59, while he was mowing his lawn, which sits inside a normally quiet gated community. Dan Renshaw, who has lived in the neighborhood with his wife for 17 years, said he doesn’t think the misdemeanor fourth-degree assault charges are strong enough due to the extent of Paul’s injuries. “I cannot imagine being in my yard pulling weeds or mowing and being violently attacked by anyone, much less my neighbor,” he told The Daily Caller. “I can’t believe he was out of jail the next morning on a 7,500 bail, with such serious injuries.” Boucher maintains the attack was not political, with his lawyer calling the incident “a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial.” The New York Times reported tensions over landscaping was the catalyst behind the attack. But members of the River Green homeowners association say they’ve never heard any grievances about the upkeep of the senator’s lawn, referring to the family as “gracious and friendly neighbors.” “My family has lived here for six years now. In all the years that I have been on board we have never had any complaints at all about anything from them or against the Pauls,” Paul’s neighbor, Shawn Parker, said in an email. “I pass by their house everyday as my family lives diagonally across the street from them. When we see Rand out riding his bike or Kelley out walking in the beautiful neighborhood we live in they have always waved or even stopped to say hello.” Alicia Stivers, a longtime friend and neighbor of the Pauls, said he has never heard either Rand or Kelley “speak an unkind word about anyone, let alone become physically violent.” According to Stivers, Boucher’s animosity toward the Pauls was unknown in the neighborhood adding, she “can attest that the Pauls were unaware [of any tensions] as well.” “Which makes it all the more shocking that a next-door neighbor of many years who has not so much as exchanged an email or spoken word with Rand in several years, would race downhill and pummel Rand from behind,” she told TheDC in an email. “In fact, the Pauls’ lot looks almost exactly the same today as it did 17 years ago when Dr. Boucher and his ex-wife chose their lot and built their house next door.” While neighbors largely said Boucher kept to himself and would smile and wave on occasion, one resident, who sits on the board of the Home Owners Association and who requested anonymity, said it isn’t the first time they had heard he exhibited aggressive behavior toward someone in the area. “I do find it shocking that he physically attacked Rand,” the resident told TheDC in an email. “I am aware of one other recent aggressive interaction with a neighbor who asked Dr. Boucher not to let his dog defecate on the sandy area around our lake.” Travis Creed, who lives in the neighborhood, blasted reports there has long been a contentious relationship between Paul and Boucher. Creed said speculation surrounding the motive for the “has led to an unfair characterization of the Pauls and their home.” “The stories of a ‘landscaping dispute,’ or a dispute of any sort between Rand Paul and Rene Boucher are erroneous and unfounded,” he said in an email. “The reason for Mr. Boucher’s bizarre attack is known only to him. Statements to the contrary are irresponsible and unnecessary.” Bob Warner, who said he and his wife have been friends with the Kentucky Republican for roughly two decades, echoed Creed’s sentiments, calling reports Paul was partially at fault unfounded. “Our sons are friends with their sons and we have been on skiing trips as well as meet with them socially. As a friend, neighbor and Senator; Rand has been first class in every way,” he told TheDC. “What I find amazing is the fact that he cuts his own grass. Our neighborhood is fortunate that the Pauls live here. They are always engaging during their frequent walks through the neighborhood.” Paul is currently recovering from the attack in Kentucky. dailycaller.com/2017/11/08/rand-pauls-neighbors-blast-attacker-absolutely-no-justification-for-dr-bouchers-behavior/?utm_medium=email
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 10, 2017 0:13:14 GMT
But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. BF used to have a doozy of a neighbor and i wouldn't have blamed her! gina Ah yes, my black widow serial killer neighbor. In addition to being batshit crazy, standing in the street and yelling at us through our windows, making very sexual comments to my husband in front of me as if I was invisible, and very likely being a murderess, the bitch stole my Internet for 3+ years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 0:35:08 GMT
But if you attacked your neighbor you might need a mental evaluation. Right. But it doesn't appear that Paul attacked his neighbor and the comment was that they both needed a mental evaluation and cited more or less that Paul was somehow mentally ill because he didn't like the rules in his HOA and had to be told "sternly" to abide by them. I was mostly speaking in jest about the Paul side of "they both should seek mental evaluation." For Paul, he might want to seek it not because he doesn't agree w/the HOA (though I think it's STUPID to buy into an HOA property and then not abide by it - work to change it, or abide by it). It was related to the comment about Paul allegedly thinking himself right "100% of the the time" according to another neighbor. Anyone who thinks they are right 100% of the time, might want to talk to someone about that.
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