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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Nov 21, 2017 21:50:31 GMT
I read the Bible as comfort and as a guide, but I read it as a "scholar" (haha). I studied it extensively as a literature grad student and I'm aware of the different interpretations and translations of certain terms, so I really don't take The Word literally in all aspects. I wont get into details, but long story short - my faith was challenged by a friend who's a member of a bible- based church. Any thoughts, advice?
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 21, 2017 22:04:43 GMT
I read the Bible as comfort and as a guide, but I read it as a "scholar" (haha). I studied it extensively as a literature grad student and I'm aware of the different interpretations and translations of certain terms, so I really don't take The Word literally in all aspects. I wont get into details, but long story short - my faith was challenged by a friend who's a member of a bible- based church. Any thoughts, advice? I really dislike that "bible based church" thing. My pastor preaches from the bible every Sunday. We hold bible study classes for adults. We teach the children stories from the bible. We are based on the bible -- Old and New Testaments -- because that is Christianity's holy book. What do the people think a "non-bible-based church" is? eta because I realized I didn't answer your question, lol. In my opinion yes of course one can be a Christian and not take the bible literally.
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Post by Montannie on Nov 21, 2017 22:14:28 GMT
Yes. There is a great stream of Christianity that does not find it necessary to believe in the literal statement of the Bible. We can still read and study the Bible as a holy book, but a literal interpretation is not necessary.
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Post by Peal on Nov 21, 2017 22:18:58 GMT
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ and believes him to be the Savior of the world. Full stop. Anything else is a variation of the same faith.
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Post by birukitty on Nov 21, 2017 22:20:41 GMT
It's difficult to explain. As a Catholic we don't take the Bible word for word as some Protestant religions do. And yes, Catholics are Christians because we believe in the Holy Trinity. Here's a good example I found on catholicscomehome.org We "interpret the Bible in the literal sense whereas many fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others interpret the Bible in the literalist sense." Here's a good example, if in the Bible it said it was raining cats and dogs outside the Catholics would interpret that to mean it was raining very hard and forcefully outside whereas the fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others would interpret that to literally mean cats and dogs were coming down from the sky.
I consider myself a Christian and I am a Catholic. I don't take the Bible word for word.
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Post by pondrunner on Nov 21, 2017 22:31:09 GMT
Romans 10;9 says if you confess Jesus and believe in your heart then you will be saved.
I think we should take the Bible seriously but not literally. It has too many kinds of writing in it to be taken word for word. I think it's better to look to the person it points to which is Jesus, and follow His way to the best we can as humans, Jesus has already believed perfectly and lived perfectly and it is no longer up to us to be perfect but to believe in the one who already was.
My advice here is dont get too hung up on these things, I think if you look past this question to the person of Jesus it makes more sense. Some people will talk about believing the Bible literally, I don't but, my opinion is we can acknowledge theological differences but still have Jesus to stand on.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Nov 21, 2017 23:54:16 GMT
I haven't done extensive research, but I know that some parts of the Bible were written as songs and poems, and were never intended to be literal. Some of the "laws" in the Old Testament were intended as guidelines for healthy living in that day and age, in that place. I call myself a Christian - I know that Jesus existed and I believe that He was sent by His Father to save us. I do not believe that the earth was created in 7 days. I do not eat unleavened bread, because we no longer have to worry about the ergot which was the reason for avoiding leavening at those days.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2017 0:32:52 GMT
I read the Bible as comfort and as a guide, but I read it as a "scholar" (haha). I studied it extensively as a literature grad student and I'm aware of the different interpretations and translations of certain terms, so I really don't take The Word literally in all aspects. I wont get into details, but long story short - my faith was challenged by a friend who's a member of a bible- based church. Any thoughts, advice? I really dislike that "bible based church" thing. My pastor preaches from the bible every Sunday. We hold bible study classes for adults. We teach the children stories from the bible. We are based on the bible -- Old and New Testaments -- because that is Christianity's holy book. What do the people think a "non-bible-based church" is? eta because I realized I didn't answer your question, lol. In my opinion yes of course one can be a Christian and not take the bible literally. Agreed 100%
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Post by ntsf on Nov 22, 2017 0:55:26 GMT
I'm a presbyterian.. and our ministers have to take both greek and hewbrew, so they can read the Bible for the most part in the original language. We look at the text both as a translation (into english) and at the culture in which it was written.. so you are reading something written in a specific time and place and you should look at it in that context. Each translator makes choices.. so the English is not exact.. and our understandings have changed.
It is the Word of God.. but not literally as translated and out of context. many take one or two verses out of context to prove their point. doesn't make sense to me. We read the Bible in every worship service.. so no one kind of christian church should claim to be "a Bible" church with the implication that the rest of us do not base our faith on the Bible.
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Post by seikashaven on Nov 22, 2017 0:59:22 GMT
Unless that person is living out the Old Testament rules verbatim, they do not have a leg to stand on.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Nov 22, 2017 1:32:59 GMT
I read the Bible as comfort and as a guide, but I read it as a "scholar" (haha). I studied it extensively as a literature grad student and I'm aware of the different interpretations and translations of certain terms, so I really don't take The Word literally in all aspects. I wont get into details, but long story short - my faith was challenged by a friend who's a member of a bible- based church. Any thoughts, advice? I really dislike that "bible based church" thing. My pastor preaches from the bible every Sunday. We hold bible study classes for adults. We teach the children stories from the bible. We are based on the bible -- Old and New Testaments -- because that is Christianity's holy book. What do the people think a "non-bible-based church" is? eta because I realized I didn't answer your question, lol. In my opinion yes of course one can be a Christian and not take the bible literally. I used to live near a church that had a big sign with its name out front: “The Bible Believing Baptist Church.” No other name listed anywhere. I always chuckled when I drove by, imagining that they were afraid someone would mistake them for “The Satan Worshipping Baptist Church.”
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Post by andreasmom on Nov 22, 2017 1:39:00 GMT
It's difficult to explain. As a Catholic we don't take the Bible word for word as some Protestant religions do. And yes, Catholics are Christians because we believe in the Holy Trinity. Here's a good example I found on catholicscomehome.org We "interpret the Bible in the literal sense whereas many fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others interpret the Bible in the literalist sense." Here's a good example, if in the Bible it said it was raining cats and dogs outside the Catholics would interpret that to mean it was raining very hard and forcefully outside whereas the fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others would interpret that to literally mean cats and dogs were coming down from the sky. I consider myself a Christian and I am a Catholic. I don't take the Bible word for word. +1 I’m also Catholic
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 1:42:21 GMT
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ and believes him to be the Savior of the world. Full stop. Anything else is a variation of the same faith. If I could like this 1,000 times, I would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 1:45:34 GMT
I read the Bible as comfort and as a guide, but I read it as a "scholar" (haha). I studied it extensively as a literature grad student and I'm aware of the different interpretations and translations of certain terms, so I really don't take The Word literally in all aspects. I wont get into details, but long story short - my faith was challenged by a friend who's a member of a bible- based church. Any thoughts, advice? Any "friend" that "challenged my faith" would no longer be a friend. Seriously, tell her that your faith is between you and your God. She needs to worry less about your faith and focus on her own. You owe her no answers, explanation, defense, for your beliefs. Tell her to pound sand.
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Post by txdancermom on Nov 22, 2017 2:01:46 GMT
In my opinion - being a christian is professing a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and he came to earth to save us from our sins by dying on the cross, and he rose again from the dead.
The bible presents the preachings of the prophets, and the teaching of Jesus and his disciples. the teachings are to guidance and comfort.
The greatest lesson in the bible is that we are to love one another as God loved us. As Christians we need to follow that teaching and think about how Jesus would interact with others. The Bible can provide us with guidance, but I don't believe we need to follow every word exactly.
And everyone needs to realize that we all have differing beliefs, and just because I don't believe and worship the same way you do, doesn't make it any more right or wrong, I believe it is all part of God's plan.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 22, 2017 3:14:55 GMT
My kids attend / attended a Christian school (although DSO and I are Atheists) and I have always wondered just how much of the bible the Pastor/ Principal etc actually believe. They certainly teach the bible as if it is all true (the parting of the sea etc). I was always too scared to ask though in case they kicked my kids out!! (I'm kidding - kinda....) My DD and another girl had to have a special meeting with the Pastor when they raised certain discrepancies regarding dinosaurs in 2nd grade.
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Post by worrywart on Nov 22, 2017 4:32:02 GMT
Absolutely! Your faith is built from your life and your experiences and your beliefs are your own, probably developed over the years...I think you can be Christian and not have a literal belief in the bible.
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Post by sueg on Nov 22, 2017 6:34:48 GMT
It's difficult to explain. As a Catholic we don't take the Bible word for word as some Protestant religions do. And yes, Catholics are Christians because we believe in the Holy Trinity. Here's a good example I found on catholicscomehome.org We "interpret the Bible in the literal sense whereas many fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others interpret the Bible in the literalist sense." Here's a good example, if in the Bible it said it was raining cats and dogs outside the Catholics would interpret that to mean it was raining very hard and forcefully outside whereas the fundamentalists, Evangelicals and others would interpret that to literally mean cats and dogs were coming down from the sky. I consider myself a Christian and I am a Catholic. I don't take the Bible word for word. You saved me from having to type out my thoughts! I go to church at an English speaking community here in Munich. Our Priests are mainly German and have studied Greek and Latin. We will often have them mention during a sermon that 'this word here - the English translation differs from the German, (or Latin) . . . ' and discuss the difference and why it is important. It is usually subtle, but I am finding that - even at age 55, and having been an RE teacher for many years - I am gaining new insights into many bible stories.
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Post by nlwilkins on Nov 22, 2017 8:17:04 GMT
My faith is in my salvation through Jesus Christ. I believe the Bible is a guideline and not to be taken out of context. Finding one particular phrase in the Bible to justify one's actions or beliefs is unrealistic.
The Old Testament is but one portion of the Bible, and describes the covenant God had with His people, a contract or promise if you will. In the New Testament it is described how God fulfilled that promise.
I also believe that God has blessed and allowed to stand the Bible as His holy word for generations. There are not very many books that have been printed in so many languages and spread so far around the Globe as the Bible. To me that is not by accident, but by God's will.
If we search our hearts and read with an open mind, there is the possibility that the passages that we don't take literally might make some sense to us and give us new meanings. The parting of the Red Sea? To me that shows that God was looking out for His people and had led them to a natural occurrence that they were able to take advantage of. And so on for other instances in Bible that might be unbelievable at first glance. Every word, every phrase has been allowed to stand and in one way or another had meanings to someone, somewhere. It is up to us to find our own meaning, just as it is up to us to define our own relationship with God.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 22, 2017 12:09:20 GMT
I'm a presbyterian.. and our ministers have to take both greek and hewbrew, so they can read the Bible for the most part in the original language. We look at the text both as a translation (into english) and at the culture in which it was written.. so you are reading something written in a specific time and place and you should look at it in that context. Each translator makes choices.. so the English is not exact.. and our understandings have changed. It is the Word of God.. but not literally as translated and out of context. many take one or two verses out of context to prove their point. doesn't make sense to me. We read the Bible in every worship service.. so no one kind of christian church should claim to be "a Bible" church with the implication that the rest of us do not base our faith on the Bible. Yes! As my (southern Baptist trained) pastor often says "context, context, context!"
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 22, 2017 13:06:08 GMT
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ and believes him to be the Savior of the world. Full stop. Anything else is a variation of the same faith. Well said. I always say the bible was interpreted by human beings over the years. Jesus Christ himself didn't sit down and write it. I follow the "love thy neighbor" and "judge not, lest ye be judged" and not much else!
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 22, 2017 13:23:59 GMT
Whether you are a Christian is between you and G-d. Why you'd ask here, when religion is such a hot issue, sounds like you're trolling to start something. Which is your prerogative. Just strange... Unless you're looking to start a multi-pager or get people worked up.
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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Nov 22, 2017 13:40:17 GMT
Whether you are a Christian is between you and G-d. Why you'd ask here, when religion is such a hot issue, sounds like you're trolling to start something. Which is your prerogative. Just strange... Unless you're looking to start a multi-pager or get people worked up. I'm sorry that I gave you that impression. I asked because i trust my pea friends to answer honestly and kindly. If you check my posting history, you' ll see that i am non- confrontational. I hope that you have a better day today, Anna. You're one of my favorite peas, by the way.
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Post by zookeeper on Nov 22, 2017 14:14:18 GMT
Any "friend" that "challenged my faith" would no longer be a friend. Seriously, tell her that your faith is between you and your God. She needs to worry less about your faith and focus on her own. You owe her no answers, explanation, defense, for your beliefs. This times one thousand! It is absolutely nobody else's job to challenge your faith.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 22, 2017 23:47:41 GMT
Whether you are a Christian is between you and G-d. Why you'd ask here, when religion is such a hot issue, sounds like you're trolling to start something. Which is your prerogative. Just strange... Unless you're looking to start a multi-pager or get people worked up. I'm sorry that I gave you that impression. I asked because i trust my pea friends to answer honestly and kindly. If you check my posting history, you' ll see that i am non- confrontational. I hope that you have a better day today, Anna. You're one of my favorite peas, by the way. I suppose I just didn't understand your post given the endless threads we've had about what is and isn't a Christian on these boards. Sometimes those threads end well, sometimes they do not. And admittedly, I've been away for a while, so maybe things have changed. If you were looking for support for your own feelings, I get that. And I'd want support too if I felt my faith was challenged, but that's not how your post read to me. You are comfortable with your own faith, I hope. But really, your faith is between you and G-d, and that's what should matter. I like you too GulfCoastGirl and I apologize if my post was out of line.
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Post by sunraynnc on Nov 23, 2017 1:01:01 GMT
This question is way too deep for a message board. Please see a clergyperson.
Personally, I believe you are a Christian if you consider yourself one.
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