bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 12, 2017 16:16:51 GMT
I'm torn, I thought my 11 year old DD had figured it out, but the way she was talking last night I'm not sure. She's at such an odd/hard stage of I don't want to grow up, but I do want to do things like get into makeup and do my hair.
I can see her knowing the truth about Santa but refusing to admit to it to me, as that would mean she was getting older. I don't want to force her hand if she's aware but doesn't want to admit it but at the same time if she really does believe I don't want her friends to make fun of her for it. She has a lot of anxiety, and I can see them teasing her about it and that having bigger consequences.
I've seen the everyone is Santa letter, and it's lovely, but it's just not a good fit for us right now.
Do I let it go? Flat out tell her? I'm going to ask her therapist when we see her next week as well.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Dec 12, 2017 16:29:18 GMT
When my very naive 5th grade DS still believed, I told him. I didn't want him going to school after the holidays and asking everyone what Santa brought. He's 31 now and wasn't scarred for life.
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Post by gar on Dec 12, 2017 16:29:28 GMT
Why not try and have a bit of a conversation about him/it in loose terms and see if you can gauge her a bit more, where her friends are in their thinking etc. See if she asks you any questions and you might want to have some ambiguous answers ready to prompt her thinking a bit more openly about it. I wouldn't say that you want to burst her bubble necessarily but all good things come to an end and with the anxiety you mentioned, maybe it is time. She'll survive and 11 is quite a good age to have reached still believing I assume she doesn't have any older siblings?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 12, 2017 16:31:01 GMT
The spirit of the season, as well as the spirit Santa, is real! Santa has many many Santa helpers, young and old!
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Post by disneypal on Dec 12, 2017 16:40:47 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't tell her - every kid figures it out in their own time. She will too.
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bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 12, 2017 16:41:18 GMT
I assume she doesn't have any older siblings? Nope, she's the oldest. She does have a younger brother who still believes. She knows about the Easter Bunny, and is quite familiar with the if you tell little brother about this there will be consequences conversation. That's one of the reasons I'm not wondering if she knows, but doesn't want to admit. I'll bring it up with her and see where the conversation goes. The spirit of the season, as well as the spirit Santa, is real! Santa has many many Santa helpers, young and old! You're right. I'm such a grinch I forget this. I try, very hard to keep my lack of spirit to myself because I honestly don't want it to bleed onto others for whom the season is full of magic and wonder. For me, it's just not. She's aware of that too, and asked me about it not too long ago. I was honest with her about why this time of year is hard for me, and she seemed to get it. I
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Post by Grom Pea on Dec 12, 2017 16:50:15 GMT
I wouldn't, even though I "knew" I have always played along and never revealed that I knew. When I was young, my town had a bunch of volunteers that would take presents and sends a Santa to your house on Christmas eve to deliver them. I remember my mom saying maybe Santa won't come this year because there were other younger kids on the street that he'd have to go to. I said fine and that's all, I didn't tell her that I knew, but it's funny to me because the kids she mentioned were Jewish, lol! Even I knew then that they had their own distinct holiday and traditions, but you know your kid best, so if you feel that she needs to know, she probably does.
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Post by salem on Dec 12, 2017 16:53:27 GMT
My 10 year old 5th grader figured it out this year. She was hinting around last year, but came right out and asked in the middle of WM a few weeks ago. I broke it to her. She wasn't really upset, and told me nobody in 5th grade believes. It's kind of weird to not have to play it all up, but she's got a little anxiety too so I think this may just make the holiday a little easier for her. She's never quite been all that comfortable with the thought that someone comes into the house even if they're bringing a bag of presents. Lol
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Post by Linda on Dec 12, 2017 16:53:32 GMT
I wouldn't go out of my way to tell my 11 y/o but I'm not going to lie to her if she asks either.
I'm a GS leader for nine 10-12 year old girls - from talking with the mums, about half of them are still believers (5th-7th grade, mostly 5th)
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Post by LisaDV on Dec 12, 2017 16:57:38 GMT
She knows about the Easter Bunny, I'd say if she knows about the Easter Bunny, she knows about Santa. Maybe she just wants to keep the traditions a little bit longer. My niece was packing up her children's Easter baskets when my dd (then 10) came through the room and saw. She knew as soon as she saw. I could see it in her face. We had the conversation about all of it that afternoon in private. Her biggest question, was "what did you do with my teeth?" She was a little grossed out. lol.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 12, 2017 17:00:18 GMT
I would let it go.
I don't really get people telling their kids.
Kids eventually figure it out in their own. It doesn't have to be this big, dramatic reveal conversation.
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Post by gar on Dec 12, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
I would let it go. I don't really get people telling their kids. Kids eventually figure it out in their own. It doesn't have to be this big, dramatic reveal conversation. I wasn’t thinking “tell” as much as let her figure it out by way of vagueness and not actively keep the up the pretence. Normally I would let it happen naturally but in the OP’s case with anxiety etc I might do it differently in her situation. I agree, a big sit down discussion isn’t necessarily a good thing
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Post by evnimom on Dec 12, 2017 17:10:07 GMT
I told my 11 year old DS this year the truth. He was sad for about 10 minutes but then was OK. I didn't want him getting teased from his friends. I think he's handling it better than I am. While I am glad that I don't have to keep up the charade, I'm not as much into the spirit.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 12, 2017 17:20:41 GMT
My kids figured it out but I did not confirm anything until they flat out asked point blank.
They never really had issues with peers as they are jewish and christmas was moms holiday and peers were ‘jealous’ they had both holidays. Well until they told thier friends the got socks, pajamas & a book for Hanukkah and had to give one night to charity. While that’s true there’s still 4 nights left. Lol ( although 1 night was also charging cords because they were forever breaking theirs )
But I don’t think that children need to be told if they aren’t asking. If you want to fine but if she isn’t asking then I ‘assume’ She wants to hold onto it a bit longer. Ymmv
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 17:26:37 GMT
The spirit of the season, as well as the spirit Santa, is real! Santa has many many Santa helpers, young and old! That's what we always said Santa was. Never a real thing/person, just a representation of the spirit of giving and love. Seemed easier and w/o the inevitable "what happens when they find out" stuff. We also used to say every family has their own ideas and to be sensitive to kids who thought Santa was real.
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Post by peabay on Dec 12, 2017 17:32:55 GMT
Let it happen naturally.
My oldest was in 5th grade when on the bus our neighbor kids were saying they weren't getting any Christmas presents because their parents were taking them to Jamaica. My sweet, innocent girl asked: "won't Santa bring you presents?" And she was laughed at. She came in the house, threw down her backpack and yelled to me (quietly so her sisters wouldn't hear): "tell me now, is there a Santa?!?!" So, I told her that there was once a person named Saint Nicholas and that one of the fun things of being a grown up is getting to keep his spirit alive for children and now she was in on the fun and it was a big responsibility to keep him alive for her sisters. She was satisfied with the answer and we actually went shopping together that night for things to put in her sisters' stockings.
So, why am I telling you to let it happen naturally? She is now 25 and literally has no recollection of that day. Whenever I bring it up, she's like: "really? I don't remember that at all!" It's either PTSD or it wasn't that big a deal in the long run (I think it's the latter.) Every kid realizes it eventually. Just let it happen in its own course.
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Post by mrssmith on Dec 12, 2017 17:33:36 GMT
She knows about the Easter Bunny, I'd say if she knows about the Easter Bunny, she knows about Santa. Maybe she just wants to keep the traditions a little bit longer. My niece was packing up her children's Easter baskets when my dd (then 10) came through the room and saw. She knew as soon as she saw. I could see it in her face. We had the conversation about all of it that afternoon in private. Her biggest question, was "what did you do with my teeth?" She was a little grossed out. lol. I agree. Disclaimer: I was never very into playing up the magical creatures and actually don't remember believing in Santa as a kid. DD (age 9) knows the deal. My DS (age 6) is a true believer. He would not believe it if someone told him Santa was NOT real! LOL We also live in an area with a lot of income disparity and various faiths. I struggled with my kids telling classmates about the wonderful gifts they got, when there are kids at school who are lucky to get any gifts. I missed the boat on the "spirit of the season" explanation.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Dec 12, 2017 18:01:01 GMT
We told DS before starting 6th grade. We didn’t want kids making fun of him for believing. It was more of a “you’re starting middle school and old enough to know” conversation.
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Post by pjynx on Dec 12, 2017 19:04:10 GMT
I wouldn't tell her until she brings it up. Although, how did she find out about Easter Bunny? My dd was around 10 or 11. I do remember when she found out about EB and Tooth Fairy, she looked at me all in horror and said "If YOU are the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny, does that mean you are Santa too?". Then she stopped me and said "Wait! I don't want to know. Just make sure to tell me the truth when I have kids so I know if I have to do something for them" Pam
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 19:15:10 GMT
Dd (14) has Aspergers. I told her during 6th grade which is when kids here start Jr. High. I did not want her to be teased. She thought it was pretty cool that her dad and I were Santa. She still believes in St. Nicholas and what he represented and plays along for her brother and youngest cousin. She still writes a letter to Santa and likes her gifts to be from him.
Personally I think it's sweet. She knows but still believes in the magic.
I found out in 6th grade and was 11.
Both of us were fine
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 12, 2017 20:06:43 GMT
My DS figured it out long before his older sister. He played along happily the first year and then was extremely worried about her being teased the next year (she was 5th grade). She was being homeschooled that year so I wasn't too worried and by the next year she'd figured it out.
I think if there is a natural opportunity, you can open the subject privately, especially if you overhear kids talking about whether Santa is real or not.
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Post by brynn on Dec 12, 2017 20:25:19 GMT
I wouldn't, even though I "knew" I have always played along and never revealed that I knew. I "knew," but played along that last year. I knew that my mom saved my last doll, Giggles, that I received that year, but when I opened Giggles' box after my mom's death, I discovered my first baby doll nestled in with Giggles,
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Dec 12, 2017 20:35:18 GMT
"If YOU are the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny, does that mean you are Santa too?". Then she stopped me and said "Wait! I don't want to know. Just make sure to tell me the truth when I have kids so I know if I have to do something for them" Pam This is the cutest thing I've read in quite a long time. 💕
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 12, 2017 20:35:44 GMT
When my very naive 5th grade DS still believed, I told him. I didn't want him going to school after the holidays and asking everyone what Santa brought. He's 31 now and wasn't scarred for life. I was always amazed at how many fifth graders still believed in Santa. I loved it.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 12, 2017 20:39:58 GMT
"If YOU are the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny, does that mean you are Santa too?". Then she stopped me and said "Wait! I don't want to know. Just make sure to tell me the truth when I have kids so I know if I have to do something for them" Pam This is the cutest thing I've read in quite a long time. 💕 My eighth grader begged me to flat out say it and I wouldn't. He said he would have the only kid who didn't get presents from Santa if it wasn't true. I just told him as long as he believed, Santa would bring him a gift. Since Santa brought the one gift he knew his parents were too cheap to buy, he had a hard time letting go of Santa. He just could not justify it in his mind. Santa was in the encyclopedias, on the news, and NORAD tracked his flight, so he believed it even when his friends were questioning. I knew in 8th grade he knew and had known, but he wan't hearing it out of my lips.
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Post by Really Red on Dec 12, 2017 21:26:45 GMT
No.
When my girls were 8 (going on 9) they asked me, but it was in front of my 5-year-old! I would have absolutely told them the truth, but because he was there, I just said this:
Everyone does things differently. No one house is the same. In our house, we like to believe in the magic that is Santa. Not everyone has to. Santa fills our stockings and brings one present, a book and a game. For some people, their parents prefer to do that. That is how their family celebrates and that is great. Personally, I like the magic, but that is completely up to you. If you'd rather not have the magic, I can give you the same presents.
That was about as oblique as I could be while telling as much truth as I felt they needed to hear with my 5yo on my lap. FWIW, years later they told me they were told that year. My son believed until he was 11yo as well and you know how many people made fun of him? Zero.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Dec 12, 2017 21:32:38 GMT
We have a 13 year old son. He has to know, there is no way he doesn't know, but we've never told him. We believe in the spirit and the magic of Christmas and Santa and I think he would not tell us in fear of ruining that. We have a younger son who I know still believes, so we talk of Santa, elves and all of that. However, while we haven't told ODS, we don't necessarily hide anything anymore. I kind of "spill" the beans about buying Christmas presents and all of that. I'm even going include him in stocking stuffer buying for YDS.
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Post by RosieKat on Dec 12, 2017 21:42:40 GMT
My DD is 11, nearly 12. I can't decide if she knows or not. She is another one who is innocent in many ways, but then sometimes she surprises me by the things she *does* know. She talks to me about nearly everything, so if she had questions, she would ask. And the way she talks, it sounds like she believes. However, she's known about the Easter bunny forever - but she's not always a kid to put two and two together, you know? Now her younger brother has known the truth since he was 7, but that's because he came right out and asked me the truth. I have actually been impressed that he has taken care to keep the secret from his big sister (because he can be quite the turkey of a little brother sometimes). I'm glad you asked, OP, because I've been having some of the same ponderings.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 12, 2017 22:18:31 GMT
I will never understand why you create magic to ruin it.
I absolutely would not tell her.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 12, 2017 22:48:52 GMT
This brings back a favorite memory of mine. Our son was about 11. He kept telling me he knew, and I'd go along with "Santa comes to those who believe" etc. I'd keep up the facade. One night he pulled me into the bathroom, shut the door (for some reason DH could not hear this conversation) and demanded I tell him the truth! and now! So, I reluctantly told the truth.
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