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Post by #notLauren on Feb 13, 2018 21:26:25 GMT
We should ALL practice what we preach. I am willing to bet money none of us do. You can call me a lot of things but being a hypocrite isn’t one of them. I'm willing to bet that somewhere in your life you didn't keep a promise made or comply with beliefs stated. You can claim otherwise, but I won't believe you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 21:58:32 GMT
People here get worked up when others tell consenting adults what they may and may not legally do w/their bodies and their marriages - while treating their own marriages like props.
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Post by tara on Feb 13, 2018 22:03:15 GMT
You can call me a lot of things but being a hypocrite isn’t one of them. I'm willing to bet that somewhere in your life you didn't keep a promise made or comply with beliefs stated. You can claim otherwise, but I won't believe you. I have never lived my life with the philosophy of “do as I say, not as I do.” I have 5 kids. I can’t afford to live my life that way. Too many eyes on me.
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Post by tara on Feb 13, 2018 22:10:52 GMT
But most of us aren't in a position to vote on and impact laws that affect others. We are not complaining that he said something like "I think a moral person should be nice to people" and then proved himself to be a not nice person. We, at least I, would be complaining if he actively campaigned and voted for laws making people being nice, and then wasn't nice himself. More so if he was a judgemental ass about his beliefs during the campaign. And that's not even getting into the discrimination and equal rights aspect of his beliefs, just the hypocrisy. He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. But again, I don't know of a politician out there who abides by their campaign promises...not one. I wish it wasn't so but people here only seem to get worked up when the breach of faith involves Christian moral beliefs. And there it is. Christian persecution. I’m a Christian but I don’t see this persecution that a lot of other Christians cry about. Maybe it’s because I feel when you’re trying to walk in the footsteps of Jesus, you have to at least make it look like you’re trying.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2018 22:21:38 GMT
But most of us aren't in a position to vote on and impact laws that affect others. We are not complaining that he said something like "I think a moral person should be nice to people" and then proved himself to be a not nice person. We, at least I, would be complaining if he actively campaigned and voted for laws making people being nice, and then wasn't nice himself. More so if he was a judgemental ass about his beliefs during the campaign. And that's not even getting into the discrimination and equal rights aspect of his beliefs, just the hypocrisy. He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. But again, I don't know of a politician out there who abides by their campaign promises...not one. I wish it wasn't so but people here only seem to get worked up when the breach of faith involves Christian moral beliefs. He was elected by some people. And now he's being called out for being a hypocrite. Which he is. When people of other faiths try to enact laws that impose their beliefs on me I will get worked up. Personally, that's never been an issue that I've been aware of.
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Post by mallie on Feb 13, 2018 22:36:37 GMT
If you are going to try to impose your beliefs on me, then you better be prepared to always live by those beliefs yourself.
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Post by verdepea on Feb 13, 2018 22:40:24 GMT
But most of us aren't in a position to vote on and impact laws that affect others. We are not complaining that he said something like "I think a moral person should be nice to people" and then proved himself to be a not nice person. We, at least I, would be complaining if he actively campaigned and voted for laws making people being nice, and then wasn't nice himself. More so if he was a judgemental ass about his beliefs during the campaign. And that's not even getting into the discrimination and equal rights aspect of his beliefs, just the hypocrisy. He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. But again, I don't know of a politician out there who abides by their campaign promises...not one. I wish it wasn't so but people here only seem to get worked up when the breach of faith involves Christian moral beliefs. Why are you giving this guy a pass? Don't you feel bad for his wife and children who have been tramatizes by his adultery? Respecting your family and just get a divorce. It happens everyday and it should happen if you are no longer interested in the marriage then just start proceedings to end it and wait until it's finished. Do you ever get frustrated and day Dude why didn't you just get a divorce before pursuing other women? Why does he get a pass?
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 13, 2018 23:38:15 GMT
He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. But again, I don't know of a politician out there who abides by their campaign promises...not one. I wish it wasn't so but people here only seem to get worked up when the breach of faith involves Christian moral beliefs. And there it is. Christian persecution. I’m a Christian but I don’t see this persecution that a lot of other Christians cry about. Maybe it’s because I feel when you’re trying to walk in the footsteps of Jesus, you have to at least make it look like you’re trying. Every elected official has a platform. A Christian platform is no more or less wrong than any other. Again, "we the people" who reside in their electoral area decide who we want to represent us and "we the people" decide when we no longer want them. That is why we have legislators from local areas; because each area has it's own set of core beliefs and want a representative who reflects those beliefs; even if other people in other areas don't agree with those beliefs. Of course, this particular case is in Australia and I'm not familiar with their electoral process.
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Post by cookiemum on Feb 13, 2018 23:44:34 GMT
The guy is a complete wanker and I feel horrible for his wife and children. Gotta love the old, "do as I say, not as I do" attitude.
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 13, 2018 23:52:45 GMT
He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. But again, I don't know of a politician out there who abides by their campaign promises...not one. I wish it wasn't so but people here only seem to get worked up when the breach of faith involves Christian moral beliefs. Why are you giving this guy a pass? Don't you feel bad for his wife and children who have been tramatizes by his adultery? Respecting your family and just get a divorce. It happens everyday and it should happen if you are no longer interested in the marriage then just start proceedings to end it and wait until it's finished. Do you ever get frustrated and day Dude why didn't you just get a divorce before pursuing other women? Why does he get a pass? I'm not giving this guy a pass. In my personal life I feel as you do. Then again, I've studied enough history to know that some of the greatest leaders and rulers were rotten husbands and some of the worst and ineffectual leaders were the best husbands. So, I'm more interested in how they legislate and govern than I am about what they do in their personal lives. That's just me.
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Post by pjaye on Feb 13, 2018 23:57:33 GMT
A Christian platform is no more or less wrong than any other. The main point is that he was elected BEFORE this "I screwed my subordinate and got her pregnant while still married" came to light. He announced just this past Dec that he and his wife had separated. The baby due this April was therefore conceived in June/July. The woman he had the affair with was also engaged and due to be married last August. It's been reported that Joyce's wife confronted his new partner in the street screaming at her and calling her a home wrecker (which seems a little unfair as no doubt her husband did plenty of home wrecking himself) but it highlights that the wife thought they were still very much married before this relationship started. So it doesn't sound like it was a case of a marriage that was long over and they were just staying together for appearance's sake. Had the voters known all of that prior to his most recent election...he may not have been voted back in after the dual citizenship issue.
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 14, 2018 0:08:03 GMT
You may very well be right. However, if the voters are as upset as you believe, he won't be elected again.
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 14, 2018 0:10:30 GMT
I'm not sure if you're referring to any of my comments but I never claimed the marriage may have been over. I agree with you, though, the person most at fault was the guy. (in this case). The lover never made a commitment to the wife; but the husband did. He's the jerkoff. But again, that doesn't mean he won't be a good member of the legislature.
Let me be clear; if I was married to this guy, I'd be headed right to divorce court. As a candidate, it's not something that's a deal breaker for me.
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Post by AllieC on Feb 14, 2018 0:12:13 GMT
His electorate office also called Mrs Joyce in December to confirm that she was happy with the Christmas cards being sent out - with a picture of the whole family on the front of the card! She told them where to go and quite rightly so. Barnaby was still trying to dupe the public that he was the epitome of a happy marriage when it was clearly over.
He has always been a dickhead but his moralising about SSM during the plebiscite campaign where he upheld that his marriage between a man and woman was the holy grail disgusted me.
I don't have an issue about his Christian platform (and yes nobody is perfect) but don't be totally judgemental about those that don't support your views or spread hatred about other people.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 14, 2018 0:15:07 GMT
You may very well be right. However, if the voters are as upset as you believe, he won't be elected again. His own party is calling for his resignation so it probably won't come down to him being re-elected. ther Coalition won't want to risk the voter backlash at the next Federal election so they will want to get rid of him before that. By the way, this guy is the Deputy PM. The second highest elected official in the country.
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 14, 2018 0:16:49 GMT
And Meg, if that happens, I won't bat an eyelash.
As I said, I really don't know much about how your government works. In the US, if every person who had an affair left congress, the Kennedys would never sit again.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 14, 2018 0:38:08 GMT
You may very well be right. However, if the voters are as upset as you believe, he won't be elected again. His own party is calling for his resignation so it probably won't come down to him being re-elected. ther Coalition won't want to risk the voter backlash at the next Federal election so they will want to get rid of him before that.By the way, this guy is the Deputy PM. The second highest elected official in the country. *is jealous*
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 14, 2018 1:00:29 GMT
Every time I read about some simpleton like Joyce, who thinks all life's answers are to be found in a simple little package, I think of two couples who are friends of our family. One is a lesbian couple w/2 kids married 8 years. The other is a gay couple w/2 kids married over 10 years. Just living their lives, minding their business, raising their kids, trying to be good and teach them to be good - and my blood boils at his idiocy in thinking they are in some way a threat to his marriage. F#($*ing someone who is not your wife, Joyce. THAT is the threat to your marriage. Over the years, I had maybe a half dozen kids who came from same sex relationships (maybe more). Not only were all of the kids fun to teach, but each kid was really special in how they treated all of the other kids in class. It was clear that they were taught how to be good people.
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Post by stittsygirl on Feb 14, 2018 1:01:55 GMT
TBH, I’m really hoping my son and his super-serious boyfriend don’t get married... at this time... because they are only 18 and 20 respectively . But I’d be really happy if they did marry when they are older. My son’s boyfriend gifted me with some vintage Pyrex he’d picked up at an antique store in the Midwest when he came to visit in December, because he likes antique stores and vintage Pyrex. He sent my son the most gorgeous bouquet of flowers today for Valentine’s Day. He’s a keeper . Have you told your DS that, so he knows.. But I guess he already knows you support him... I know they’ve talked marriage already, and he knows I’m against that while they are still so young. They are both pretty smart guys and both want to be successful and independent. I believe they will wait a few more years at least if they decide marriage to each other is ultimately what they want .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2018 2:12:09 GMT
Good, as long as he knows it will be ok if he does eventually decides to marry his boyfriend.
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Post by verdepea on Feb 14, 2018 3:17:54 GMT
And Meg, if that happens, I won't bat an eyelash. As I said, I really don't know much about how your government works. In the US, if every person who had an affair left congress, the Kennedys would never sit again. I am glad to hear you think he's a dickhead. Adultery has gotten brushed under the rug for far too long. Yes, politicians run on a platform and lie. But womanizing, sexual harassment, and promoting legislation that dimishes the rights of others is wrong. Policy platforms can be great ideas, but the execution of those platforms can be a tougher because it takes others to buy into it. Just ask any politian. History has also proven that rights for others is NOT given freely, it has to be fought for. I feel we are seeing the light of change where it is not going to be tolerated. Mr. Joyce made a decision not to respect his marriage. Morals is the ONE thing he has total control of on his platform. To play to ones base focusing on ssm and marriage between a man and a woman for votes is wrong and politicans need to be held accountable. Just because they have gotten away with it before doesnt mean we should just accept it. And it's not which is why we are seeing so much push back. Regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum, it's high time we all said no more. If we became part of ONE thing it WILL change and we all benefit in our daily lives.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 23, 2018 3:05:36 GMT
An update to this thread:
Barnaby Joyce is on TV as we speak. He has resigned as Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the National Party.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2018 3:50:38 GMT
Glad that worked.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 5:26:48 GMT
An update to this thread: Barnaby Joyce is on TV as we speak. He has resigned as Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the National Party. TFS!!! The old guard largely white male hypocrites are dropping like flies. Their age of "do as I say not as I do" patriarchy is coming to a rapid close. Glory!
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Post by rahnee on Feb 23, 2018 9:30:15 GMT
Not just a politician. Mr Joyce was our deputy Prime Minister. Second in charge of the country. He game be a press conference just a little while ago advising he will be resigning on Monday.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 23, 2018 10:05:07 GMT
Good. I wonder if his mistress will still find him so attractive now that he is a nobody.
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Post by Gillyflower on Feb 23, 2018 13:00:23 GMT
Good. I wonder if his mistress will still find him so attractive now that he is a nobody. I'm sure he'll still get a nice fat pension. He was elected by people who agree with his moral stance. They elected him to have an impact on laws that effect others. If the people who elected him are unhappy with this situation, they will show their displeasure when the next election comes along. Don't worry, he's already out. We don't need to wait for an election, his party tossed him out on his ass. Oh wait, he "resigned". Gilly.
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Post by verdepea on Feb 23, 2018 14:22:26 GMT
An update to this thread: Barnaby Joyce is on TV as we speak. He has resigned as Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the National Party Thank you for updating us. This is wonderful news.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 23, 2018 16:02:54 GMT
I think the soon-to-be ex-Mrs. Joyce is the winner here.
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Post by cherivall on Feb 23, 2018 18:17:10 GMT
This just makes so angry .. Jeremy's (my son) husband's aunt (Lynn MacLaren) was in the Austrailian Parliment .. fought hard for marriage equality and eventually came back to the states to marry her long time partner Sarah. Unfortuately Sarah lost her battle with cancer recently. Love how he is asking for privacy .. what a dick Cheri
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