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Post by stampbooker on Mar 6, 2018 1:53:13 GMT
I have been holding crops on a regular basis for a little over a year. I have one every third weekend of the month. It was every third Saturday, but starting in January I was able to extend the time to include Friday evening and Sunday also.
I use a church hall, but the church has moved to a new location which is why I am able to use the facility on Sundays now.
I provide dinner and dessert on Friday night and dinner and dessert on Saturday. I usually have a goodie bag with something like a granola bar and some chocolate and maybe something fun like a cute notebook and matching pen, or some flair or some project life style cards, etc.
I really want to make this into a profitable business and at some point expand to weekend retreats. I feel like I have a lot of competition, there are several regular crops going on in the area. They are mostly "no-frills" type crops, low cost, no meals provided, etc. I am looking for ways to set myself apart and make my crops more of an experience. I would love any ideas and thoughts.
Thanks!
Julie
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Post by don on Mar 6, 2018 2:16:19 GMT
Do you live in a "crafty area"? Is there a store(s) crafters support? Where do the croppers stay? Do they come in for just 1 day because they live 30+ miles away? For multi-day crops you need security so people can leave their stuff until the next day. Tear down and set-up takes time away from the "fun". Maybe set aside an hour for a class on something. Don't limit to paper crafters. Get the word out. Meet-up could be a good way to go. You could buy up some unique chairs and offer Chippendales.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 6, 2018 4:55:57 GMT
If all the competition is only no frills crops, anything you do will set you apart. If you don’t already, maybe you could set up a small store of sorts on site and stock the basic items people might need like solid colored cardstock, adhesive refills, replacement trimmer blades, basic letter stickers, black pens and stuff like that so people who need those things don’t have to leave to get them. An alternative would be to have a garage sale table or a “free to a good home” swap table where people can sell or give away supplies they’re done with.
If you know anyone who sells Stampin’ Up or CTMH, maybe they would be willing to come and do a free make n take or a paid break out class for your croppers. It would be a nice way to add value without adding to your cost, and it would give those you partner with exposure to potential new customers.
Another option would be if you know or could find someone who does chair massage that would be willing to offer their services by the minute. People would pay them directly so it wouldn’t cost you anything out of pocket.
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Post by callmenutz on Mar 6, 2018 6:23:11 GMT
I go to a 3-4 day crop a few times a year. It is held at a retreat center. All meals are provided. We have so much fun and seriously, it’s like a mini vacation! My CM lady works with the owner/manager as far as dates offered, meals, etc. She has some basic supplies available and also brings her tools or us to use. We go Friday through Sunday at 4:00. The fourth day comes in if Monday is a holiday. If the weather is nice we eat outside. There’s a lake and path to walk around. We eat, talk, laugh and crop...no cooking or cleaning, the weekend is for us!
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Post by nancydrew on Mar 6, 2018 11:13:18 GMT
I go to a 3-4 day crop a few times a year. It is held at a retreat center. All meals are provided. We have so much fun and seriously, it’s like a mini vacation! My CM lady works with the owner/manager as far as dates offered, meals, etc. She has some basic supplies available and also brings her tools or us to use. We go Friday through Sunday at 4:00. The fourth day comes in if Monday is a holiday. If the weather is nice we eat outside. There’s a lake and path to walk around. We eat, talk, laugh and crop...no cooking or cleaning, the weekend is for us! That sounds perfect! So jealous!!
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 6, 2018 13:00:44 GMT
It sounds like your crops are more like mini day retreats (that I would love!), so maybe advertise them that way. Even if people go home at night, it doesn't matter. You could even consider a round the clock type of thing from Fri to Sat or Sat to Sun. Make sure to offer as much table space as possible, the best lighting you can and the most comfortable chairs. If the chairs are not comfy, maybe invest in some chair pads to offer those who want them. I know people can bring their own but it's a nice thing.
At the retreats I go to there isn't much variety for the meals. If you don't eat meat you are pretty much out of luck. I do eat meat but my friend doesn't. So offer a nice salad with meals. Many people bring their own snacks but I don't think you can go wrong having some really nice snacks - gourmet chips, bakery cookies or anything homemade, fresh fruit, some fresh veggies, and some cute plates and napkins just to make it really nice. I went to a crop where mid way through the afternoon they wheeled a cart around with grapes and cheese in a little plastic cup and offered one to everybody.
Have drinks available also. It's nicer if you can even have tea or ice water in pretty pitchers instead of just the large bottles they come in. Get one of those lemon infuser things to have fresh lemon water! Cheap and elegant!
I'm not possibly suggesting all of this but if you want to charge for your crops and make people feel like it's a little retreat, some of these things might work.
One retreat I go to always has a masseuse giving neck and shoulder massages. She charges but she is always booked up. There are also small vendors who usually give a class that they charge for but again, usually lots of takers. Now this is a crop with 30 to 50 people so consider that accordingly.
I hate games no matter what, and I even hate the page contest. How is an 8.5x11 page going to complete with a 2 page 12x12 with mosaic moments templates? Or people that use kits and put their own twist on it? Forget the page contest.
Have a drawing for a free crop and include everyone who attended. I also hate grand prizes where one person gets a cameo and everyone else gets nothing. Just put that money toward something everyone can enjoy.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Mar 6, 2018 19:06:08 GMT
Have a theme. Offer goodie bags to go along with the theme.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 6, 2018 19:42:07 GMT
I think that what you do depends on your intended clients/participants.
There may be some people who could come every month for a one day event, but could not commit to a whole weekend that often. There may be others who could commit to say 3 or 4 full weekends per year, but not to even one day every month.
Some people attend for the party atmosphere and like lots of fun and games, contests, classes, activities. Others just want a quiet space they can spread out and just create pages or cards in their own way.
Do you want to attract newbies or people who want to build their skills? You may want to think about a couple of weekends in the year when you focus on card making classes and card creation, and then maybe a couple where you offer classes for scrapbookers?
You may need to advertise and organize different ways for different groups.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 6, 2018 19:48:46 GMT
I didn't go to this crop but it was at a place where I was doing some training for work. It was pretty funny though, when they started setting up, my eyes were like "THERE IS A CROP RIGHT HERE, I just know it." Sure enough that weekend it was a huge crop for 100 people! But what I saw was different though, they had an area where they had a candy bar (like at a wedding).. all kinds of glass containers with candy (and I think other snacks).. but it was all done up in pink... everything was pink.. and so pretty.. and it was a big area (I guess for 100 people it was the right size).. I was soooo jealous...
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Post by BSideCrafter on Mar 6, 2018 21:31:31 GMT
I'd ask those that are already coming what they'd like. And look for local Facebook groups to advertise. Maybe play it as a moms night or day out. Charge a little more and put together a small kit they can play with.
For me I just want a good amount of space and a power outlet. And the ability to make sure I sit with my friends if we're coming as a group. Coming solo I always bring headphones so I focus on my projects. I don't want a goodie bag unless it's something I'd use on a layout. I'd also prefer not to have food provided. As someone with allergies and food intolerances I tend to go pickup or doordash my own food.
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Mar 6, 2018 23:39:24 GMT
I go to a 3 day retreat twice a year and here are a few things they do that I like.
A page contest with a small page kit they provide. And it wasn't horribly old product either. It's fun to see everyone use the products in such different ways. We pick up the stuff on Friday and turn them in on Sunday morning to be judged all day and voted on Sunday afternoon.
The have prize packages where you put your ticket in for the one you like. That way you win a prize package you actually like!
They have a table set put with those large plastic drink containers from like Wal-Mart and one has water and the other has pink lemonade or fruit punch. And large bucket of ice with a scooper.
There are just a handful of games or contest, not too many where they becoming irritating.
Here's the best one: We get a six foot table to ourselves!
They also provide 2 dinner vouchers to eat at the hotel it's hosted at.
Those are just a few things that come to mind. It is so worth the 200 bucks we pay for the weekend retreat. That doesn't include the hotel if you wanna stay. But it is well worth it for a full weekend away to scrap and hang out with friends!
Good luck with your crops!
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 7, 2018 1:31:28 GMT
There are a lot of great ideas here. The only thing I’d like to add is please be sure there’s enough space between tables. I’ve been to,crops where you can barely get out of your chair let alone navigate through the aisle. Some people pack a ton of stuff and jumping over a Crop ‘n Style XXL isn’t fun. I think you’re on the right track and please give us an update on how things go.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 7, 2018 1:34:14 GMT
You could buy up some unique chairs and offer Chippendales. I’m in. You can’t just crop all day without a break, now can you?
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Post by scrappington on Mar 7, 2018 10:48:43 GMT
I would poll people at your next crop.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 7, 2018 15:35:26 GMT
I'd ask those that are already coming what they'd like. And look for local Facebook groups to advertise. Maybe play it as a moms night or day out. Charge a little more and put together a small kit they can play with. For me I just want a good amount of space and a power outlet. And the ability to make sure I sit with my friends if we're coming as a group. Coming solo I always bring headphones so I focus on my projects. I don't want a goodie bag unless it's something I'd use on a layout. I'd also prefer not to have food provided. As someone with allergies and food intolerances I tend to go pickup or doordash my own food. I agree that you need to ask those who already come what they love about your crops, and if they have suggestions to make them better. Maybe you can also have a little "prize" for each of those who get a friend to come that has not been before. I also have food sensitivities. There are more of us with food limitations than you might think. I don't want to pay for food that I can't eat. I like the idea of the vouchers that someone else mentioned. For me, cost is often a deal breaker. The more your frills cost, the less likely I will come, especially if your frills are disappointing. I have no use for goodie bags with ugly stuff I will never use. Maybe if you find some pretty paper packs (25 of the same paper) for a cheap price at Tuesday morning, you can divide up the pretty papers into a page kit with some coordinating embellishments for a contest, and you have something nice to give out for minimal expense. Some of the freebies I've gotten at past crops I've attended have been totally useless (they looked like they had been free left over donations from companies that no one would want or use); but a page kit with papers and embellishments that would actually look good together would be a fun challenge and be something I could appreciate. I don't know if you are a rep for a company, such as CM or CTMH or SU, or not, but I recommend that you make every guest feel not just welcome, but like you want to get to know them better. I went to one crop where the rep was cordial and pleasant to the people she knew, but she was actually very cold to me. I was there for the first time, didn't understand how she did games and other aspects, and she (along with most of the attendees) made me feel like an intruder. I kept my contraband in my bag. I bought her products to use. I did not play music, talk on the phone, or do anything to annoy anyone. However, I had a different style than everyone else, did not participate in challenges because the rules weren't clear to me as a newbie, and the contests were usually based on speed (I'm a slow scrapper). The people at my tables were very cliquish. The crop hostess hardly ever said a word to me. I never went back. First impressions matter. Like any other business, if you are friendly, ask if they need anything, speak to them like you want to be their friend, and make them feel generally welcome, it can make a huge difference in their desire to return. Try to put new people with those you know are friendly and pleasant to newbies. I can crop at home alone. If I pay to go to a crop and feel shut out or ignored by the hostess and table mates, I may as well save my money and crop at home.
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Post by auroraborealis on Mar 7, 2018 15:51:19 GMT
I'm not aware of crops any more in the area I am in, and rarely went to them, so I am NOT the best judge of what people might want. But I can speak for the small group of women I do get together with is: 1.) Just about everyone has some dietary restriction, so a meal included would not be appealing--in fact all of us would be unlikely to pick a "food provided" crop. Drinks and basic snacks ranging from healthy to junk would be much more appealing. No one loves having a food restriction, it can be easier to avoid food situations than feeling left out, having to make your own separate plans, and/or paying for something you can't utilize. 2.) Not everyone has paper crafting stuff ready to work on every time--so being open and welcoming to other crafting--knitting, organizing photos, quilting, or anything would be key to getting our group to come.
3.) Cost really would matter. We would probably pick the "low-cost, low-frills" option because it would be most likely to work for everyone.
4.) Gift bags would matter little to not at all. Stuff like plenty of space (not just to work, but enough room for the very social AND for the more quiet types), comfy chairs, the free swap table would matter a lot more.
Just my feedback from my little group.
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Post by stampbooker on Mar 7, 2018 19:28:32 GMT
Do you live in a "crafty area"? Is there a store(s) crafters support? Where do the croppers stay? Do they come in for just 1 day because they live 30+ miles away? For multi-day crops you need security so people can leave their stuff until the next day. Tear down and set-up takes time away from the "fun". Maybe set aside an hour for a class on something. Don't limit to paper crafters. Get the word out. Meet-up could be a good way to go. You could buy up some unique chairs and offer Chippendales. I don't really think my area is super crafty. People are just coming in for the day, and live relatively close. They are able to leave everything at the table. I would definitely like to expand to other crafters, I just need to figure out how to do that! I have done meet-up in the past, but the results were not worth the money. I may try it again though. Thanks for your thoughts! Julie
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Post by stampbooker on Mar 7, 2018 19:31:52 GMT
If all the competition is only no frills crops, anything you do will set you apart. If you don’t already, maybe you could set up a small store of sorts on site and stock the basic items people might need like solid colored cardstock, adhesive refills, replacement trimmer blades, basic letter stickers, black pens and stuff like that so people who need those things don’t have to leave to get them. An alternative would be to have a garage sale table or a “free to a good home” swap table where people can sell or give away supplies they’re done with. If you know anyone who sells Stampin’ Up or CTMH, maybe they would be willing to come and do a free make n take or a paid break out class for your croppers. It would be a nice way to add value without adding to your cost, and it would give those you partner with exposure to potential new customers. Another option would be if you know or could find someone who does chair massage that would be willing to offer their services by the minute. People would pay them directly so it wouldn’t cost you anything out of pocket. I am a CTMH consultant myself and do have a limited amount of product available. I have had a few customers asking for more inventory, so I am slowly starting to build that up. I think I will work a little harder on that because maybe that would be a draw. Thanks! Julie
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 7, 2018 19:39:11 GMT
One of our crops has a masseuse for about seven hours of the crop. She is busy doing 15 minute massages for most of the time. They also have gift certificates available for future crops that husbands often purchase. It is a 12 hour crop with breakfast lunch and dinner (not super complicated) and snacks and drinks for $50. They have 5-7 businesses there selling scrapbook/stamp related items.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 7, 2018 20:42:32 GMT
You could buy up some unique chairs and offer Chippendales. I’m in. You can’t just crop all day without a break, now can you? OMG I am such an idiot.. I was like what are Chippendales... must be some new product... OMG I am dying.
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Post by msliz on Mar 7, 2018 20:58:06 GMT
I’m in. You can’t just crop all day without a break, now can you? OMG I am such an idiot.. I was like what are Chippendales... must be some new product... OMG I am dying. I think that was don 's way of volunteering for the job.
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Post by don on Mar 7, 2018 21:27:54 GMT
OMG I am such an idiot.. I was like what are Chippendales... must be some new product... OMG I am dying. I think that was don 's way of volunteering for the job. Liz, you're scaring people here.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 7, 2018 21:31:09 GMT
If all the competition is only no frills crops, anything you do will set you apart. If you don’t already, maybe you could set up a small store of sorts on site and stock the basic items people might need like solid colored cardstock, adhesive refills, replacement trimmer blades, basic letter stickers, black pens and stuff like that so people who need those things don’t have to leave to get them. An alternative would be to have a garage sale table or a “free to a good home” swap table where people can sell or give away supplies they’re done with. If you know anyone who sells Stampin’ Up or CTMH, maybe they would be willing to come and do a free make n take or a paid break out class for your croppers. It would be a nice way to add value without adding to your cost, and it would give those you partner with exposure to potential new customers. Another option would be if you know or could find someone who does chair massage that would be willing to offer their services by the minute. People would pay them directly so it wouldn’t cost you anything out of pocket. I am a CTMH consultant myself and do have a limited amount of product available. I have had a few customers asking for more inventory, so I am slowly starting to build that up. I think I will work a little harder on that because maybe that would be a draw. Thanks! Julie For a longer event, if you have the space you could consider having a little vendor fair in the hallway and invite people that sell stuff like Pampered Chef, 31 Bags, Tastefully Simple, Scentsy and other similar companies to come in and set up a booth for a few hours on Saturday afternoon. One of my friends did that as another way to advertise her weekend retreats because all of those vendors would tell their customers about the crop and helped spread the word. Even if it doesn’t bring in a whole lot of additional scrappers/crafters for the weekend, you will still make some money selling the vendors the booth space for the day and you don’t have to really do anything other than provide them with the space to set up. Even 4-5 extra vendors at $25-50 each adds up to a nice little chunk that you can use to offset some of your other expenses, and many times the people who are customers for those products are the same target demographic coming to your crop.
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Post by cbscrapper on Mar 7, 2018 22:27:48 GMT
I love attending crops and retreats! I don’t go to no-frills crops because I can get that experience when our group of scrappy friends get together at one of our houses. I want to show up, have plenty of space, decent lighting, good food, and minimal interruption from the hosts. I also like to shop any vendors (scrappy or otherwise).
A crop I most frequently attend is $35 for the day, 9am-9pm (but we can start setting up at 8:30 usually). If you want to share your table (usu. w a child), it’s an extra $15 to cover the food.
I know others have posted that they didn’t want food, but to me that seems covered in the no-frills crops already available. For me, the food is a must. I want a day (or weekend) away to focus on scrapbooking or other project I bring and don’t want to have to worry about food or leave to go get it. The crops I pay to attend provide 3 meals, 2 snacks and a dessert w dinner, plus water and tea (and sometimes lemonade). There is always the option of either having someone mark their food restrictions on the sign up to see if you can easily accommodate, or providing a discount ($15) for those not eating for whatever reason. It could be handy for you to include the menu for the day/weekend with the registration sheet so people could decide.
Masseuse is great - the one at our crop is always busy and I gladly pay a dollar a minute (honestly it’s one of the things I look forward to most).
Vendors - you can either charge them for the booth space or ask them donate a set amount of their product/gift certificate to give away as door prizes or raffle. I like the idea as mentioned above to give everyone a ticket and let them pick which prize to enter their ticket for, that way they have a chance at winning something they truly like. The only time I ever seem to win is when the prize up for drawing is something I don’t like or want. You could give everyone one ticket with registration and the option to buy additional tickets at $1 each or 6 for $5.
Goodie bags: if you do them, keep them generic and useful. There was a thread here a while back with lots of great ideas for goodie bags like adhesive, black pen, cardstock, post-it pad, chocolate, etc. People’s tastes are so different that it’s hard to please if you get too specific.
I don’t care for games. I came to scrap and socialize. I also don’t like contests. They usually are either who scraps fast (I don’t, or often I’m batch processing something and not actually “completing” layouts) or who has the most friends there. Orvthey require me to make something that is NOT what I brought to work on.
Free/for sale table: attendees love this - it’s a chance to purge some supplies (and possibly make a little spending money back) and to pick up items free or cheap. This doesn’t ever seem to stop people from shopping with the vendors (often the people selling items take that money and buy new stuff on site!)
It’s also a nice perk if you have tools you can bring for community use - die cut machines (manual and electronic), punches, dies, large paper trimmer, etc. so people can try new things or avoid lugging it all with them.
Electric access is a must, but have people bring their own extension cords - you provide the duct tape to avoid tripping hazards.
Having assigned tables with your friends works much better than first-come first-served - you can get the group spacing worked out better and once you have your regulars, they can sit in the same spots.
Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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Post by 50offscrapper on Mar 9, 2018 6:01:33 GMT
You have a bunch of great ideas. Musts for me:
1. Large table 2. I want to plug my heat tool, phone, iPad, Cricut and a desk lamp so power strips are a great idea. 3. I want food provided. I don’t want to go out to eat. If you don’t provide food, please provide frig space. 4. Space to put all the stuff I bring. Under the table is fine. 5. Some kind of shelf so i can double my desk space.
Nice to have: 1. Introductions. You can ask people to introduce themselves and what their favorite x product is. 2. Different kinds of coffee creamers. 3. Hot water dispenser of some sort. 4. Some kind of make and take or a new technique that I can learn. 5. Leave one, take one table. 6. Discount for buying x number of crops in advance.
Things to avoid. 1. No scentsy. I have issues with fragrance like scentsy that cause me to have an asthma attack. 2. Games-yuck. Except for left right center. Instead of playing with $ you play with embellishments.
Other potential clients to consider: Quilters Bible journalers Artists
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Post by mbanda on Mar 9, 2018 16:06:51 GMT
I attend a couple of crops a year. They are totally different but I like them both! One is a "no-frills" day crop held at a Senior Center. We pay about $10 for the day & everyone brings a snack to share. There is a CM consultant there usually but there is no pressure to buy from her or scrap the "CM" way. No games, just a day of getting projects done & hanging with friends. This one is about 5 min from my house & is held about 5-6 times a year. I like to go there because it's close & cheap and gets me out of the house away from distractions! The second crop is a 3-day retreat held at a hotel (Holiday Inn Express) and it is about 50 minutes from my house. It is about $250 per person but includes all meals from Friday dinner to Sunday breakfast and includes 2-night stay at the hotel. Starts at 10:00 Friday until 4:00 Sunday. My bestie & I go to this one about 2x a year & it is truly a getaway and good for some "me" time! At this retreat, the gal running it has basically a full-on store there that she sets up (carries lots of current product as well). She also has a CTMH rep that comes & sets up a store. I love this as I can quickly grab something if I forgot the perfect paper for the project I brought to work on. She runs a tab & you pay at the end of the weekend. There is always fresh water, tea and snacks throughout the weekend & the meals are good (hot meals provided by the hotel). The hotel also assign one person to our group & if we need something (fresh water, more/less air-conditioning, etc) he is able to get it done for us. We all get a 6 foot table with electricity. She does give us a "goodie bag" upon arrival with a nice selection of papers, stickers, etc and some candy. It's not the "latest & greatest" paper but I always find something I can use & my bestie and I trade papers as well. It's free so I don't complain about it! In the past, she has had some people come in to offer optional classes, massages, vendors like Mary Kay and Oragami Owl. None of this interested me as I was there to get my projects done but others did take part & enjoyed these. We do one game - Bingo on Saturday night. Last time, I didn't even participate in the game as I find it goes on too long & I'm just thinking about all the scrappin I could be doing BUT others there love it! The crop room is kept open until 1:00 am and lots of us stay the full time crafting and drinking wine The host & the CTMH rep offer specials & sales during the weekend so they are making money that way as well. They have good deals and I've done some shopping while I was there. They do have a community table as well if you want to leave some things for free that you no longer want/need. She also provides a Cricut with cartridges, Big Shot, Cuttlebug, etc (although many of the ladies bring their own Cricuts). She plays music but sometimes this causes some disagreement among the croppers. Not everyone likes the same type of music. My friend & I are on the "younger" end of the group (and we're in our mid-40's)! We prefer 80's music or something upbeat but many of the other ladies there prefer other types of music (like really old country music that is depressing & sad! I wear my headphones!!) Usually they will do the country during the day then 80's later in the evening. This crop is held 3x a year and about 35 people attend each time. For me, I really prefer the 3-day retreat and I love that all meals are provided. When I'm there, I don't want to leave or waste time preparing meals. I want to work on my projects so having everything included is a big PLUS for me! I'm willing to pay the extra money to have it all-inclusive so to speak I get soooo much done at the 3-day retreat but it's a luxury for sure. Since you said most of the crops in your area are no-frills then I think you should do more of the retreat style crops (which it sounds like you are on your way). I think what makes the 3-day retreat work for the gal that does them is that she has the CTMH partner and she does the store. She makes a good deal of money from the store sales over the weekend. She does other day crops around the area as well but the 3-day is my favorite. If I'm going to lug all my junk to a crop I really want it to be for more than one day! Hope this helps & good luck!!
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 9, 2018 16:21:02 GMT
If you decide to go for a multiple day experience, perhaps you can get a better price at a neighboring hotel. My 3 day crop has a rate that is half the price at a hotel across the street. I am two hours away, so that is a major reason I go to that crop.
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