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Post by maryland on Mar 8, 2018 1:25:29 GMT
I have my favorite paint thread, now I need tips on painting. I did a terrible job on our foyer hall. I used a builder grade paint, but there is what is described as "flashing" on one wall. It's not noticeable looking straight at the wall, but if you stand in the kitchen and look down the hall to the front door, the one wall has spots that stand out. Hard to explain! I painted 5 coats of paint, and it's always the same spots that stand out.
So, how do you paint? Do you cut in around the room, let it dry, then do the wall? Do you paint a section in a "W" and fill in? I have watched you tube videos, but my painting job looks awful! I need an instructor!
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Post by likescarrots on Mar 8, 2018 1:37:37 GMT
If you're trying to avoid visible imperfections in the wall, you should use a matte paint. Personally I'm not a fan of anything but matte paint, except in the bathroom.
I usually roll the walls first then cut in. Trim is last and then go back over the walls with a tiny paintbrush with the wall paint in case you got any trim paint on the walls.
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Post by maryland on Mar 8, 2018 2:09:21 GMT
If you're trying to avoid visible imperfections in the wall, you should use a matte paint. Personally I'm not a fan of anything but matte paint, except in the bathroom. I usually roll the walls first then cut in. Trim is last and then go back over the walls with a tiny paintbrush with the wall paint in case you got any trim paint on the walls. Maybe that's my problem. I used satin. Is matte the same as flat or eggshell? |
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 8, 2018 3:39:24 GMT
Eh. I use satin paint the most. I think it cleans up better than flat paint. But maybe my family just has messy hands when they swipe them down the hall or at a light switch!  It sounds like those spots are places that were patched in from nail holes. The wall is then perfectly smooth, rather than the texture from a paint roller. Also, the paint can soak into those patched areas more, but after 5 coats I would think that would be evened out by now. You can try priming the wall and then painting over it. That should |
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Post by likescarrots on Mar 9, 2018 0:48:26 GMT
If you're trying to avoid visible imperfections in the wall, you should use a matte paint. Personally I'm not a fan of anything but matte paint, except in the bathroom. I usually roll the walls first then cut in. Trim is last and then go back over the walls with a tiny paintbrush with the wall paint in case you got any trim paint on the walls. Maybe that's my problem. I used satin. Is matte the same as flat or eggshell? eggshell is shinier than flat. It's true that eggshell/satin are a bit easier to clean, but if you buy a high quality paint it should be easy enough even in flat or matte. I personally would rather not see the imperfections and I don't like the look of the shine. |
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2018 1:10:17 GMT
For the first time in my life I have painters at my house right now painting the entire downstairs, the stairway, and the upstairs hallway. Super high ceilings so I just decided to buck up and pay the $$$. They are doing things a lot differently than I typically would. First off, 2 guys spent 2 full days just prepping. Their attention to detail is amazing.
Then they did primer on the trim (going from dark brown to a creamy white). Then they did 2 coats of ceiling paint, cutting in with a small roller rather than a brush. Then they went back to the trim and they're just finishing it up now. Finally, they'll do two coats on the walls tomorrow and Monday. Normally I would do cutting in on the ceilings and walls, then paint the ceiling, then the walls, and finish up with the trim. Apparently I've been doing it a bit backwards for 40+ years.
Once they're finished I have both bedrooms and bathrooms to do myself (I did the laundry room and all the closets before I moved in). I'm going to try doing it their way and see how I like it. I actually enjoy painting, and find it relaxing and somewhat cathartic, as long as I don't have a deadline to meet. I crank up the music and just goooooo....
One tip I have. When you start your W on the wall, start rolling in the center of the 3' x 3' area you'll be working on, then work out from there. If you start in a corner of the little area, you'll end up with a lot of paint in one area of your square, and not a lot in another area of the square.
Another tip. I use quality [aint, but always use two coats, even if it says covers in one. There is such a difference between a wall painted with one vs two coats!
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2018 1:12:25 GMT
Maybe that's my problem. I used satin. Is matte the same as flat or eggshell? eggshell is shinier than flat. It's true that eggshell/satin are a bit easier to clean, but if you buy a high quality paint it should be easy enough even in flat or matte. I personally would rather not see the imperfections and I don't like the look of the shine. I too prefer matte. A rule of thumb I've heard is that the more textured and/or marred your walls are, the flatter your paint finish should be. My trim is an eggshell finish rather than semi-gloss. I prefer just that tiny hint of sheen on trim over shiny. Even semi-gloss is too shiny for my taste. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 9, 2018 1:55:17 GMT
I have also found that if you are going to paint more than one coat, let it dry thoroughly over night before painting another coat. Even though it dries to the touch in an hour or so any bleed through or imperfections from the first coat tend to bleed through if you don't let it dry and harden over night.
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Post by maryland on Mar 9, 2018 2:24:37 GMT
For the first time in my life I have painters at my house right now painting the entire downstairs, the stairway, and the upstairs hallway. Super high ceilings so I just decided to buck up and pay the $$$. They are doing things a lot differently than I typically would. First off, 2 guys spent 2 full days just prepping. Their attention to detail is amazing. Then they did primer on the trim (going from dark brown to a creamy white). Then they did 2 coats of ceiling paint, cutting in with a small roller rather than a brush. Then they went back to the trim and they're just finishing it up now. Finally, they'll do two coats on the walls tomorrow and Monday. Normally I would do cutting in on the ceilings and walls, then paint the ceiling, then the walls, and finish up with the trim. Apparently I've been doing it a bit backwards for 40+ years. Once they're finished I have both bedrooms and bathrooms to do myself (I did the laundry room and all the closets before I moved in). I'm going to try doing it their way and see how I like it. I actually enjoy painting, and find it relaxing and somewhat cathartic, as long as I don't have a deadline to meet. I crank up the music and just goooooo.... One tip I have. When you start your W on the wall, start rolling in the center of the 3' x 3' area you'll be working on, then work out from there. If you start in a corner of the little area, you'll end up with a lot of paint in one area of your square, and not a lot in another area of the square. Another tip. I use quality [aint, but always use two coats, even if it says covers in one. There is such a difference between a wall painted with one vs two coats! Thanks for the tips! I love to paint, but get discouraged if I do a crappy job! And my house gets out of control while I paint. It takes me a long time because of all the prep work, and I use a ton of drop cloths on the floor. Do you let the cutting in areas dry before doing the rolling? Do you roll just to slightly overlap what you cut in or do you try to get the roller as close to the ceiling as you can (so giving a second coat to the cutting in with the roller)? I always do 2 coats too, I have to because I don't get good coverage with one coat (even with decent paint, it's me that is the problem). I think I struggle with not knowing how much to overlap. So I try to never roll over the same area twice? I am not explaining this well! I need a good painter to watch me paint and tell me what I am doing wrong. I have watched many you tube videos, but I think they just show a step and I need to watch them paint a whole wall!  |
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2018 2:29:17 GMT
Oh, I thought of another tip. When you load your roller, roll it back and forth in the tray several times to get a good, even coating of paint on it. Then when you lay the paint on the wall, think exactly like that - you're laying it on the wall, not rubbing/pushing it into the wall. And don't try and work a roller that really needs to be loaded again. You end up with uneven paint - and also it spatters a LOT more when you're roller is getting dry. You'll notice that quite a bit when doing a ceiling. And use the best paint you can. Its so much nicer to work with.
Boy, sorry for all this. Clearly I have "painting brain" tonight.
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2018 2:35:46 GMT
For the first time in my life I have painters at my house right now painting the entire downstairs, the stairway, and the upstairs hallway. Super high ceilings so I just decided to buck up and pay the $$$. They are doing things a lot differently than I typically would. First off, 2 guys spent 2 full days just prepping. Their attention to detail is amazing. Then they did primer on the trim (going from dark brown to a creamy white). Then they did 2 coats of ceiling paint, cutting in with a small roller rather than a brush. Then they went back to the trim and they're just finishing it up now. Finally, they'll do two coats on the walls tomorrow and Monday. Normally I would do cutting in on the ceilings and walls, then paint the ceiling, then the walls, and finish up with the trim. Apparently I've been doing it a bit backwards for 40+ years. Once they're finished I have both bedrooms and bathrooms to do myself (I did the laundry room and all the closets before I moved in). I'm going to try doing it their way and see how I like it. I actually enjoy painting, and find it relaxing and somewhat cathartic, as long as I don't have a deadline to meet. I crank up the music and just goooooo.... One tip I have. When you start your W on the wall, start rolling in the center of the 3' x 3' area you'll be working on, then work out from there. If you start in a corner of the little area, you'll end up with a lot of paint in one area of your square, and not a lot in another area of the square. Another tip. I use quality [aint, but always use two coats, even if it says covers in one. There is such a difference between a wall painted with one vs two coats! Thanks for the tips! I love to paint, but get discouraged if I do a crappy job! And my house gets out of control while I paint. It takes me a long time because of all the prep work, and I use a ton of drop cloths on the floor. Do you let the cutting in areas dry before doing the rolling? Do you roll just to slightly overlap what you cut in or do you try to get the roller as close to the ceiling as you can (so giving a second coat to the cutting in with the roller)? I always do 2 coats too, I have to because I don't get good coverage with one coat (even with decent paint, it's me that is the problem). I think I struggle with not knowing how much to overlap. So I try to never roll over the same area twice? I am not explaining this well! I need a good painter to watch me paint and tell me what I am doing wrong. I have watched many you tube videos, but I think they just show a step and I need to watch them paint a whole wall! By the time I'm done cutting in (I'll do the whole room) I feel fine starting on the rolling, and I do try to roll as close as I can to the adjacent walls or ceiling. The part about not wanting to roll over the same are twice, well I'm clearly in a whole different camp  . When I roll I do a 3or4 x 3or4-ish area at a time. I do the W back and forth so I hit the bumps and low spots in the texture in both directions. The most of the time I roll back and forth horizontally, then always end each area with up and down. Clear as mud?  |
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 9, 2018 2:53:59 GMT
I am a one wall at a time person. I just pull furniture away from the wall, paint, put furniture back. I just put a throw rug down on the floor under where I am painting. I don't tear the rooms up like I used to. I keep it simple these days and it is so much easier. Painting a room doesn't have to be abig mess to cope with.
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Post by maryland on Mar 10, 2018 23:10:57 GMT
Oh, I thought of another tip. When you load your roller, roll it back and forth in the tray several times to get a good, even coating of paint on it. Then when you lay the paint on the wall, think exactly like that - you're laying it on the wall, not rubbing/pushing it into the wall. And don't try and work a roller that really needs to be loaded again. You end up with uneven paint - and also it spatters a LOT more when you're roller is getting dry. You'll notice that quite a bit when doing a ceiling. And use the best paint you can. Its so much nicer to work with. Boy, sorry for all this. Clearly I have "painting brain" tonight. This is great! I love all the tips! If you were near Pittsburgh, I would have to drive to your house and watch you paint! |
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Post by maryland on Mar 10, 2018 23:14:57 GMT
Thanks for the tips! I love to paint, but get discouraged if I do a crappy job! And my house gets out of control while I paint. It takes me a long time because of all the prep work, and I use a ton of drop cloths on the floor. Do you let the cutting in areas dry before doing the rolling? Do you roll just to slightly overlap what you cut in or do you try to get the roller as close to the ceiling as you can (so giving a second coat to the cutting in with the roller)? I always do 2 coats too, I have to because I don't get good coverage with one coat (even with decent paint, it's me that is the problem). I think I struggle with not knowing how much to overlap. So I try to never roll over the same area twice? I am not explaining this well! I need a good painter to watch me paint and tell me what I am doing wrong. I have watched many you tube videos, but I think they just show a step and I need to watch them paint a whole wall! By the time I'm done cutting in (I'll do the whole room) I feel fine starting on the rolling, and I do try to roll as close as I can to the adjacent walls or ceiling. The part about not wanting to roll over the same are twice, well I'm clearly in a whole different camp . When I roll I do a 3or4 x 3or4-ish area at a time. I do the W back and forth so I hit the bumps and low spots in the texture in both directions. The most of the time I roll back and forth horizontally, then always end each area with up and down. Clear as mud? I did some horizontal rolling too, as our wall isn't "flat" (supposed to be, but if you put a ruler edge lenthwise on the wall, their is a gap in the middle). When you finish the 3x4, to you do the 3x4 below? For example, do you do a 3x4 area closest to ceiling, then do the 3x4 area below, making your way down to the floor? Then roll from ceiling to floor across the 3x4 area? So you take the roller from ceiling to floor, then do it all the way across that "section"? I hope it makes sense! |
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. When I roll I do a 3or4 x 3or4-ish area at a time. I do the W back and forth so I hit the bumps and low spots in the texture in both directions. The most of the time I roll back and forth horizontally, then always end each area with up and down. Clear as mud? 