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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 13, 2018 13:18:01 GMT
I bought an Avery Elle stamp set and matching die set from a seller on Ebay. Everything arrived in original condition. Went to use the die and noticed that it was not made correctly. The "shadow" part of the dies were not even. I took a photo and contacted Avery Elle. After sending them proof of purchase they sent me a new die set. It arrived last night but it is also not even. I have not used the die set yet in case I need to send either one back. What do I do with the new set? Connect them again? Attachment DeletedIt is hard to see in this photo, but the areas the arrows are pointing to are very thin.
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Post by freeatlast on Mar 13, 2018 13:31:06 GMT
How does it cut? If it cuts ok, I'd email them back that the replacement die had the same issue but you were keeping it since it cut fine reserving the right to ask for another one if it broke under use.
Some of my dies are quite thin, others are thicker. I haven't have a problem with any of them.
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 13, 2018 13:34:50 GMT
I haven't used it yet. don't know how it cuts.
Since the shadow part on the die is not even, I assume it won't be even when used with the stamp.
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Post by freeatlast on Mar 13, 2018 13:38:22 GMT
If the narrow part is outside of the cutting edge, that portion of the paper gets thrown away. It is quite possible that I am not understanding your issue. Cut one and post a picture.
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 13, 2018 14:18:19 GMT
It's the inside of the die. Next to where the image will be stamped.
I'll see about cutting one tonight when I get home.
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Post by freeatlast on Mar 13, 2018 19:03:47 GMT
I pulled my Avery Elle More Furry Friends set and stamped and cut an image for you. When I placed the die upside down on my image, the inner edge of the die was right up against my stamped lines. When cut, it gave me a bit of a border all the way around the image. When I look at the die, there's not much room between the cutting edge and the interior of the die and it varies a bit. There is considerably more on the outside of the die. Attachments:
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Post by gale w on Mar 13, 2018 19:38:34 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2s
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 13, 2018 19:51:26 GMT
My concern about the die being off, is not on the outside of the die.
It has to do with the shadow around the stamped image. Inside of the die/cut line.
freeatlast, yours is cut correctly, I'm afraid mine will not cut that even.
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Post by gale w on Mar 13, 2018 20:04:48 GMT
If you use the method in the video it shouldn't matter if the die lines are not consistent with the flat part of the die.
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Post by moraie on Mar 13, 2018 20:06:06 GMT
My concern about the die being off, is not on the outside of the die. It has to do with the shadow around the stamped image. Inside of the die/cut line. freeatlast, yours is cut correctly, I'm afraid mine will not cut that even. Meaning when you use the die, it leaves a little debossed "ring" around the stamped image, and the debossing will not be equal? I have some SUPER crappy MFT dies that I bought and spent over $60 for and don't use because the inside edge is so uneven, and it leaves an impression when you cut. The die itself actually cuts, but that extra impression is really distracting to me. And it's not even just a little thicker on one side or another--it's jagged, uneven, curvy and looks like crap. Since it actually cut, which is the literal point of the die, I felt like I couldn't complain to them, even though I hate the dies, won't use them, and haven't bought any more because of it.
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Post by gale w on Mar 13, 2018 20:09:16 GMT
My eyes aren't great but I can't see where it's uneven in your first picture. I'm curious to see how it cuts.
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Post by moraie on Mar 13, 2018 20:36:08 GMT
My eyes aren't great but I can't see where it's uneven in your first picture. I'm curious to see how it cuts. Gale, without hijacking the thread, do you think I could pick your brain? I watched the video you posted, but I have a different type of problem. I have the Die-namics A2 Stitched Rectangle STAX Set 1 and Set 2 dies. The image to cut is fully formed--the rectangle and stiches are all there. The inside edge is really uneven and jagged, and when I cut the dies without any shims, it leaves a debossed impression of that sloppy ragged edge on my paper. I can't use less pressure because I have no shims, only the plates that came with my Big Shot, and I've tried 2 sets of plates (one old, one brand new) and they both do the same thing. On patterned paper it's gets hidden some, but it all but smacks you in the face on white cardstock (Neenah 80lb Classic Crest). I'm not home right this second or I'd post a picture. Do you know of any hints? Normally if I was having a debossing issue, I'd cut a piece of typing paper and slide it inside my die before I cut to soften that inside edge, but because of the stitching, that doesn't work on this kind of die. Do you know of any other tricks that might help?
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Post by gale w on Mar 13, 2018 21:03:47 GMT
The only thing I can think of to try is after you've cut it, put some cardstock on both sides of the die cut piece and put it back through your big shot to try to flatten it out. I have the same problem with dies where you use the negative of the die. like windows and such.
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Post by freeatlast on Mar 13, 2018 22:26:06 GMT
What about using a teflon bone folder? I have some stitched rectangular dies where the stitches "pop up" after running it through the Vagabond. I glide the bone folder over the stitches to press them down and it looks great.
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 14, 2018 0:36:00 GMT
This is the issue I'm talking about. I lined up the die with the stamped image then taped the die to the paper before running it through my machine. This is how it cut. not even
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Post by sunny1016 on Mar 14, 2018 1:07:38 GMT
Okay 2 things and forgive me if I am missing something. 1.- How does the "shadow" part of the die affect the cut part? I can see if it was the impression you were talking about but you are talking about the actual cut. That would come from the part that sticks out not the part around it. And 2. are you sure the stamps are legit Avery Elle? And here's why I ask... I ordered a stamp and die set from Ebay and they do not line up either. The dies are real but not the stamps. They look exactly like the real ones but are just slightly off size wise. Maybe that's why getting new dies didn't work? Maybe its the stamps that are the "actual" problem??
**edited to add-- I only purchased the stamps from ebay. The dies were purchased directly from MFT.
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 14, 2018 1:38:10 GMT
warrior1991 - I understand what you are saying. The border around the stamped image is off. T The only fix I can see is to cut first and then stamp.
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 14, 2018 1:47:30 GMT
I got both the stamp set and die from Ebay in Avery Elle packaging. After Avery Elle verified my Ebay purchase, they sent me another die set. I do understand about getting non-legit products. I was not trying to, and hope that I did not.
I'll check out the video and will try die cutting first and then stamping.
Thanks everyone.
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Post by gale w on Mar 14, 2018 3:38:48 GMT
I got both the stamp set and die from Ebay in Avery Elle packaging. After Avery Elle verified my Ebay purchase, they sent me another die set. I do understand about getting non-legit products. I was not trying to, and hope that I did not. I'll check out the video and will try die cutting first and then stamping. Thanks everyone. Just to be clear, the video I posted is not about cutting first and then stamping. It's about cutting a guide to fit over the stamped image and using the guide to know where to put the die.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 4:06:41 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2sOMG- that's BRILLIANT!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 14, 2018 13:48:34 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2sEven high quality dies can be hard to line up perfectly. The method in the video that gale linked does really help. If you cut a template, and it just won't position correctly over the stamped image, then the die is probably faulty. If it is, it may be a manufacturing issue, since Avery Elle sent a replacement, which still seems faulty.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 14, 2018 14:41:37 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2sI have done it that way, but I more frequently want to make a bunch of similar cards so I will just cut a bunch of the shapes from the cardstock I ultimately want to stamp on first, then cut another of the same shape out of the middle of a scrap piece of paper to use as a frame. Using a hinged stamp positioner, I stamp the image on a different scrap of paper that’s taped down or on a Post It Note that’s stuck in the bed of the positioner, then I line up the hole in the scrap frame so it’s perfectly aligned around the stamped image I have inside the positioner and tape that down too, leaving the stamp exactly where it is on the lid of the positioner. Now I stick a diecut piece into the frame like a puzzle piece, ink up the stamp and stamp right on it and it comes out perfectly cut and positioned every time. I leave the frame taped inside the positioner until I’m done stamping on all of my cutouts, then I color them all in. If it happens to be a fairly small diecut and image, I will stick part of it down to the back sticky side of a Post It Note and use the larger piece of paper to hold the cutout while I color. Works perfectly. THIS LINK kind of shows the second part of what I’m talking about, only instead of lining up the stamp with the hole in the frame the way this lady does, I actually stamp the image on a Post It first and *then* line up the frame with the stamped image so everything is perfectly aligned when I put a diecut piece into the frame to stamp on it. Doing it this way means it doesn’t matter at all whether the frame on the metal diecut is even because I’m cutting first and stamping second. Plus I can use the paper I’m diecutting more efficiently because I dont have to worry about cutting anything off or the images being stamped too close together. This method would work with images cut out using an electronic diecutting machine too if you needed a whole bunch of the same image you don’t have a die for. You could scan one stamped image, create your cutting file outline, tile them all together to fit as many on the page as you can fit, cut all of the shapes to stamp on, then cut another scrap piece of paper with only one shape in the middle to use as your frame and proceed as usual. Even if you do have a die and don’t want to run the thing through one by one multiple times, you could cut one from black, scan that to import and make your shape to vectorize, multiply, tile, and have the cutter cut them for you all at once. Huge time saver.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 14, 2018 17:40:42 GMT
Thanks for sharing your cut-first-stamp-second technique, crazy4scraps! Very clever! The stamps wouldn't even need to be clear. While I have a lot of clear stamps, I have a lot more that are rubber.
It took time for you to write it up, and I know that I am not the only one who appreciates your sharing it. Thank you!
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Post by warrior1991 on Mar 14, 2018 18:03:59 GMT
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 14, 2018 18:49:03 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2sOMG- that's BRILLIANT! Feeling lazy and don't want to click on the link but if it's the Jennifer McGuire video about making a master copy for the dies you can't see the middle of, I agree...it's so simple but it's GENIUS. Never would have thought of it myself. I have the alpha tile stamps and dies from PTI and they never line up just right and I'm going to be making myself a master template for it so I can actually line it up properly in the future. I still need to get some of the low tack tapes to make things like this easier, but it was such a great idea.
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Post by gale w on Mar 14, 2018 19:12:35 GMT
Feeling lazy and don't want to click on the link but if it's the Jennifer McGuire video about making a master copy for the dies you can't see the middle of, I agree...it's so simple but it's GENIUS. Never would have thought of it myself. I have the alpha tile stamps and dies from PTI and they never line up just right and I'm going to be making myself a master template for it so I can actually line it up properly in the future. I still need to get some of the low tack tapes to make things like this easier, but it was such a great idea. It's a Gina K video and it's a similar idea (or might be the same idea-I don't think I've seen the Jennifer McGuire version of it). She makes a stencil with the die, puts the stencil over the stamped image so it is perfectly lined up, puts the die into the negative of the stencil, and runs it through the big shot.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 14, 2018 19:26:37 GMT
Feeling lazy and don't want to click on the link but if it's the Jennifer McGuire video about making a master copy for the dies you can't see the middle of, I agree...it's so simple but it's GENIUS. Never would have thought of it myself. I have the alpha tile stamps and dies from PTI and they never line up just right and I'm going to be making myself a master template for it so I can actually line it up properly in the future. I still need to get some of the low tack tapes to make things like this easier, but it was such a great idea. It's a Gina K video and it's a similar idea (or might be the same idea-I don't think I've seen the Jennifer McGuire version of it). She makes a stencil with the die, puts the stencil over the stamped image so it is perfectly lined up, puts the die into the negative of the stencil, and runs it through the big shot. Sounds similar! Thanks for helping me be lazy, lol! My time on the computer today is browsing FB, here and continuing to push through editing the last 2 months of pictures (thankfully it's far less involved as the end of the year...we've had a pretty boring 2018 so far).
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 14, 2018 20:56:32 GMT
Thanks for sharing your cut-first-stamp-second technique, crazy4scraps! Very clever! The stamps wouldn't even need to be clear. While I have a lot of clear stamps, I have a lot more that are rubber. It took time for you to write it up, and I know that I am not the only one who appreciates your sharing it. Thank you! You’re welcome. And you’re right, the stamps don’t have to be clear for it to work since you’re stamping the image onto the Post It stuck on the base plate and aligning the cutout frame to that.
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Post by FurryP on Mar 16, 2018 0:46:57 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2s gale w you are awesome!!!! What a great idea!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 27, 2018 3:19:55 GMT
I've seen some mft dies that weren't 100% perfectly accurate all the way around like that. I use this method to die cut. It takes a bit more time but makes it much less stressful for me. It should start at the right part of the video where she shows how. youtu.be/ckuNV9vhbho?t=15m2sI have done it that way, but I more frequently want to make a bunch of similar cards so I will just cut a bunch of the shapes from the cardstock I ultimately want to stamp on first, then cut another of the same shape out of the middle of a scrap piece of paper to use as a frame. Using a hinged stamp positioner, I stamp the image on a different scrap of paper that’s taped down or on a Post It Note that’s stuck in the bed of the positioner, then I line up the hole in the scrap frame so it’s perfectly aligned around the stamped image I have inside the positioner and tape that down too, leaving the stamp exactly where it is on the lid of the positioner. Now I stick a diecut piece into the frame like a puzzle piece, ink up the stamp and stamp right on it and it comes out perfectly cut and positioned every time. I leave the frame taped inside the positioner until I’m done stamping on all of my cutouts, then I color them all in. If it happens to be a fairly small diecut and image, I will stick part of it down to the back sticky side of a Post It Note and use the larger piece of paper to hold the cutout while I color. Works perfectly. THIS LINK kind of shows the second part of what I’m talking about, only instead of lining up the stamp with the hole in the frame the way this lady does, I actually stamp the image on a Post It first and *then* line up the frame with the stamped image so everything is perfectly aligned when I put a diecut piece into the frame to stamp on it. Doing it this way means it doesn’t matter at all whether the frame on the metal diecut is even because I’m cutting first and stamping second. Plus I can use the paper I’m diecutting more efficiently because I dont have to worry about cutting anything off or the images being stamped too close together. This method would work with images cut out using an electronic diecutting machine too if you needed a whole bunch of the same image you don’t have a die for. You could scan one stamped image, create your cutting file outline, tile them all together to fit as many on the page as you can fit, cut all of the shapes to stamp on, then cut another scrap piece of paper with only one shape in the middle to use as your frame and proceed as usual. Even if you do have a die and don’t want to run the thing through one by one multiple times, you could cut one from black, scan that to import and make your shape to vectorize, multiply, tile, and have the cutter cut them for you all at once. Huge time saver. This does indeed work with an electronic cutter! I spent time last night and today using this technique with my Cameo and my Tim Holtz stamp platform. It worked beautifully!
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