wellway
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Post by wellway on Sept 11, 2014 11:51:27 GMT
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 11, 2014 12:29:11 GMT
I've followed very, very loosely. I don't think he's innocent but haven't decided which charge I think he is guilty of. I think the text the week prior was an indicator of their relationship. How do you feel?
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Sept 11, 2014 12:41:32 GMT
Like you only following loosely, I guess I'm interested because I saw him run at London 2012 and felt he had achieved so much despite everything. Now everything has changed. No matter what the Judge declares life will never be the same again for any of the parties involved.
The Judge only system is also interesting to me.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Sept 11, 2014 12:57:23 GMT
That certainly wasn't what I expected. Did he have a brilliant legal team or do I just not know the details? The way the media covered it there was no question, of course we all know there is more to the story than the "media" version.
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Post by gar on Sept 11, 2014 12:58:52 GMT
He's a broken man whatever the final verdict. I have struggled to decide what i thought based on the bits I've heard.
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Post by gloryjoy on Sept 11, 2014 13:05:21 GMT
I've followed very, very loosely. I don't think he's innocent but haven't decided which charge I think he is guilty of. I think the text the week prior was an indicator of their relationship. How do you feel? I agree. I don't think he set out to murder her, it wasn't premeditated. But I too am not sure which charge he is guilty of. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 13:33:08 GMT
He's a broken man whatever the final verdict. I have struggled to decide what i thought based on the bits I've heard. I agree Gar and it's so so sad. I don't know why, but I've never thought it was ever murder. Just a hunch/instinct I've had from the time it happened. With so many different reports written I don't really know what is true and what is made up on the evidence side to decided if he's guilty of anything else. Or was it purely self defense because he genuinely believed that there was a break in. One thing for sure the prosecution had a lot of holes in their evidence. |
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Post by grinningcat on Sept 11, 2014 13:36:40 GMT
He admitted that he killed her. That much we know. The prosecution was rabid in proving that he was a murderer. They did not fulfill the burden of proof that he was the raging homicidal maniac that they wanted to paint him as.
Either he's the best actor in the world or his grief is genuine.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 11, 2014 13:41:19 GMT
I am pretty challenged about this. I was very pleased with the appointment of this particular judge, but now starting to worry about the precedent this will set. I fear he will end up with a non-custodial sentence. I was never a fan of the premeditated murder charge but was convinced he intended to kill the "intruder" in circumstances where he was not directly threatened.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 11, 2014 13:46:43 GMT
He's a broken man whatever the final verdict. I have struggled to decide what i thought based on the bits I've heard. I agree Gar and it's so so sad. I don't know why, but I've never thought it was ever murder. Just a hunch/instinct I've had from the time it happened. With so many different reports written I don't really know what is true and what is made up on the evidence side to decided if he's guilty of anything else. Or was it purely self defense because he genuinely believed that there was a break in. One thing for sure the prosecution had a lot of holes in their evidence. As always, DS and Gar are balanced in their views. the prosecution team bear the onus but the real issues were overshadowed by celebrity shenanigans & histrionics which do not sit well with me. One thing is for sure, he will never legally possess a weapon again and that is a very good thing. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 11, 2014 14:00:10 GMT
That certainly wasn't what I expected. Did he have a brilliant legal team or do I just not know the details? The way the media covered it there was no question, of course we all know there is more to the story than the "media" version. This is where I am at too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:03:01 GMT
As always, DS and Gar are balanced in their views. the prosecution team bear the onus but the real issues were overshadowed by celebrity shenanigans & histrionics which do not sit well with me. One thing is for sure, he will never legally possess a weapon again and that is a very good thing. I agree he has unfortunately also had a trial by media, not just in SA but world wide. What's the feelings of your fellow countrymen on it scrappingontherocks? I'm guessing your laws are similar to ours that killing in self defense in classed as manslaughter. There's no stand your ground law as there is in the US.Is that right? |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 11, 2014 14:22:15 GMT
As always, DS and Gar are balanced in their views. the prosecution team bear the onus but the real issues were overshadowed by celebrity shenanigans & histrionics which do not sit well with me. One thing is for sure, he will never legally possess a weapon again and that is a very good thing. I agree he has unfortunately also had a trial by media, not just in SA but world wide. What's the feelings of your fellow countrymen on it scrappingontherocks? I'm guessing your laws are similar to ours that killing in self defense in classed as manslaughter. There's no stand your ground law as there is in the US.Is that right? Our "manslaughter" is culpable homicide. If self-defense is involved we have a reasonable force doctrine- if someone is in my home coming at me with a gun I can respond with equal force. I do not think 4 shots through a closed door is reasonable. Trial by media is no fun but this dude & his family need to forgo playing the victim card and take some responsibility. As to the feelings of the SA population: some very vocal supporters, some "hanging juries" and the rest of us are just hoping that our legal system & country as a whole don't end up as a global joke. |
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Sept 11, 2014 14:31:53 GMT
I have only followed it a very small bit. I was surprised though when I saw the headlines this morning.
He did pull the trigger, so he did actually shoot her right, in what he says self defense, thinking it was an intruder in the bathroom. Was he paranoid? Was he on any type of medication/drugs?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:37:39 GMT
Thanks scrappingontherocks.
Every country has different laws so comparing one to the other is difficult at times.
The bit that I have a problem with is the empathy of being in his position from the physical point of view. I could jump out of bed and run out the door so to speak but him, not so much.
Am I to gather from this that he's not so "popular" at home in SA as he is globally? I suppose the bottom line is that the rest of the world only see his achievements over adversity. That might not be so in everyday life.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 11, 2014 14:47:01 GMT
He was (still is to some) a hugely inspirational figure here. We were a nation in shock when this story broke. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the best legal team money can buy ( the uncle has enough money to buy a largish country) but the level of entitlement and arrogance shown, the demanding of privilege and continued partying have made us all a little sick.
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Post by gar on Sept 11, 2014 15:55:04 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the best legal team money can buy ( the uncle has enough money to buy a largish country) but the level of entitlement and arrogance shown, the demanding of privilege and continued partying have made us all a little sick. I haven't been aware of this element....who was/has been partying etc? |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 11, 2014 16:00:01 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the best legal team money can buy ( the uncle has enough money to buy a largish country) but the level of entitlement and arrogance shown, the demanding of privilege and continued partying have made us all a little sick. I haven't been aware of this element....who was/has been partying etc? OP is a well-known figure on the social scene. VIP club rooms every weekend, it seems. Can't believe everything you read in the press, natch  |
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Post by gar on Sept 11, 2014 16:05:16 GMT
Interesting, thanks  |
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Post by christaw on Sept 11, 2014 16:29:54 GMT
I have been following closely and have been shocked by the verdict so far.
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Post by annabella on Sept 11, 2014 19:17:36 GMT
Oscar is still out parting every weekend? I thought he was hiding in seclusion. I do feel his crying in court a year after the fact is unbelievable for a man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 19:31:54 GMT
Oscar is still out parting every weekend? I thought he was hiding in seclusion. I do feel his crying in court a year after the fact is unbelievable for a man. Men cry. Even years later. |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 11, 2014 19:47:17 GMT
Oscar is still out parting every weekend? I thought he was hiding in seclusion. I do feel his crying in court a year after the fact is unbelievable for a man. What the actual fuck I still sometimes wonder if you are an actual pea or a troll because some of the things you say canNOT be for real. |
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Sept 11, 2014 19:47:58 GMT
I've heard several so-called "legal experts" say this case wouldn't have even made it this far in America because it was botched so bad from the beginning. I don't know if that's true or not because we see issues with our system every day. But I agree it's been a travesty and a circus from Night 1. Cops saying they did this or that when evidence or other investigators refute it, the lead investigator removed so he can face his own murder charges, a white bra they allowed to lay on the floor for weeks until it turned black and the decided it was vital evidence. Neighbors who heard "her" screams but lived further away than ones who heard nothing at all, and others still who said it was clearly him screaming. And people so clearly out to run him up a rail for things that didn't even happen, like the friend of hers that claimed he threatened her in court and wanted his bail revoked when cameras showed no such thing had happened.
I figure his life is probably over anyway, and will be shocked if he isn't a suicide. His fortune and fame is gone, I doubt he can ever race again or even coach, too many people believe they know what happened. And that's not even touching the emotional issues of killing his girlfriend.
But perhaps a few of the South African peas can clear something up for me: can he have any degree of normalcy there after this? He seemed to live in a very scary paranoid world (which I believe to be totally justified) so why stay in a place that might exacerbate or be part of the problem? What would be the draw to staying there? He could've lived anywhere in the world so what's so great about there that he stayed, despite living in seemingly constant fear?
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mimima
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Post by mimima on Sept 11, 2014 19:51:55 GMT
I was surprised, I expected that he'd be found guilty.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 11, 2014 20:17:32 GMT
I think he just got away with murder - just like OJ Simpson did. Just like Ray Rice cut his deal and walked away from his brutal domestic abuse. For some reason, society likes to excuse/forgive celebrities for crimes and give second chances.
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Post by annabella on Sept 11, 2014 20:28:51 GMT
Oscar is still out parting every weekend? I thought he was hiding in seclusion. I do feel his crying in court a year after the fact is unbelievable for a man. What the actual fuck I still sometimes wonder if you are an actual pea or a troll because some of the things you say canNOT be for real.  WTH are you talking about? You seem to be quoting me. |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 11, 2014 20:31:57 GMT
What the actual fuck I still sometimes wonder if you are an actual pea or a troll because some of the things you say canNOT be for real. WTH are you talking about? You seem to be quoting me. Yes, genius. I quoted you because I'm talking about you. And I'm clearly not the only one who thinks it. Lots of peas expressed similar sentiments at the pod. |
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Post by jenkate77 on Sept 11, 2014 20:37:19 GMT
Oscar is still out parting every weekend? I thought he was hiding in seclusion. I do feel his crying in court a year after the fact is unbelievable for a man. What the actual fuck I still sometimes wonder if you are an actual pea or a troll because some of the things you say canNOT be for real. I think, in an odd way, she's just really sheltered. Or something? |
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Post by annabella on Sept 11, 2014 20:39:04 GMT
A lot of people really myshelly? lol You should like a kindergartner ganging up on someone yelling "no one likes you". If that's the best you've got, that's pretty lame. I find it very weird my comment has enraged you so much. |
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WTH are you talking about? You seem to be quoting me.