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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 24, 2018 15:33:59 GMT
There was a Cut First Stamp Second technique discussed in the thread about the Avery Elle die not cutting right. I started thinking that perhaps it could also work for ultra detailed stamps that I don't have dies for.
I love my Scan N Cut for quickly scanning and cutting out stamped images in general, but some stamps need to have parts cut out inside, not just the outer edge. I did try the inside and out technique shown in a tutorial video by Julie Fei Fan Balzer, but I was not that impressed with the results, or the process to do it.
I think that the Cut First Stamp Second technique would work better for me, using my Cameo for creating the die cut file. I would need to create the cutting file for both the template and the matching die cuts for stamping on. I decided to try it yesterday.
I ran into a problem. I stamped a few pages of images and scanned them in for tracing. The images opened into the Cameo software in an enormous size, NOT the size they scanned. I need to create the cutting file at the exact same size as the stamp.
Does anyone know the right dpi scan settings for scanned images to come into the Cameo at their actual size?
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 24, 2018 17:29:07 GMT
Never mind. I figured it out. It needs to be 72 dpi to come in at the actual stamp size. I could not find any settings or tutorials online that said, but that worked for me. My scanner automatically scans at a higher resolution, so I resized the previously scanned image in Photoshop Elements.
After I created the cutting file, I cut one for a template (the negative open space) in a darker color. I threw the cut out itself into the trash. I then cut several white blanks (the cut out of the stamped image) for stamping on.
For those who may not have read the Avery Elle die thread, there is a technique for die cutting first, then stamping. They used actual dies. I wanted to see if I could do the same thing with my Cameo since I have a lot of stamps that don't have matching dies.
I placed my stamp on the Tim Holtz platform, then stamped on a plain piece of paper. I positioned my template over the stamped image and taped it into place, as well as using the magnets. I put a stamp blank into the template. It fit like a puzzle piece. I inked my stamp, stamped on the blank, and it was perfect. I wrote on the template what stamp it was for, and I will keep the template for future use. I can cut more blanks at any time now.
For detailed stamps that have inside parts that need to be cut out, this worked better than the Scan N Cut. For stamps that just need the outer edge fussy cut, the Scan N Cut is easier, especially if you color the stamped image first.
It does take a little bit of time to scan the image, trace it, and clean it up. For certain stamps, it may be worth it.
Sometimes I do not want to have to fully color my stamped image first, which the Scan N Cut seems to need in order to scan properly. For most stamps, that is not an issue. For the particular stamp I used for trying this technique, the design had gaps in the design which messed up the cut, no matter what. It was a dogwood branch. I wanted to keep the flowers white and stamped it in light green because of the leaves and flower centers. The Scan N Cut just could not cut that particular stamped image out correctly.
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Post by streetscrapper on Mar 25, 2018 21:50:49 GMT
scrapnnana, my method for creating cut files from stamped images with my cameo is to scan a 1” square beside the stamped image. When I import the image into the silhouette software all I have to do is resize it based on that 1” square. It takes seconds, there’s no messing around with the resolution and I’ve never had an issue with it being off in size. If I’m reading your post correctly, I do the same thing you did with the template - cut the template out of a piece of waste paper and used my stamp platform and the template to line up the stamp, like a puzzle piece the way you said. It’s actually easier than it may sound.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 25, 2018 23:02:53 GMT
Yes, you read my post correctly, streetscrapper. Your idea for the 1 inch square is smart (why didn't I think of that?), although adjusting the resolution to 72 dpi did work for me.
It was surprisingly easy to cut first and stamp second with the Tim Holtz stamp platform. I really appreciate that technique being shared, because it had never occurred to me to use my platform in that way.
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Post by JaneB on Mar 29, 2018 8:09:40 GMT
Does anyone know the right dpi scan settings for scanned images to come into the Cameo at their actual size? Silhouette Studio can be fickle. I discovered this behaviour with 12 x 12-inch digital papers. Some would import at 12 x 12, others would come in at 50 x 50 or some huge measurement. When it did the huge size I also saw the low resolution warning triangle. The default behaviour is to import images, especially JPG, at 72ppi - and of course for printing digital items 300ppi is a usual choice. As you can't change the pixel resolution in Silhouette Studio to 300ppi you instead change the size. With digital papers that you know are 12 x 12 inches that's simple enough. In the case of your scanned images I wouldn't change to 72ppi to scan. If you used an 8 1/2 x 11 inch piece of paper to stamp on, which you then scanned and imported all you need to do to get the correct size is change that imported image to 8 1/2 x 11 inches. If you scanned on a piece of paper 6 x 5 inches, change the imported image to 6 x 5 inches. I've been doing it that way for the past two years and it's never failed. I also like streetscrapper 's idea of an inch square guide scanned at the same time. That would be quicker if you didn't use standard paper sizes to scan and didn't want to measure everything!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 29, 2018 13:36:43 GMT
Thank you, Jane! It's good to see you back!
I scanned at the normal resolution, 8.5x11. I changed the resolution in Photoshop to 72, but saved it as a separate image in case that didn't work. So far it has worked to simply change the resolution of the image after scanning, but in the future, I will scan a 1 inch colored square with the page, just in case it is fickle.
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Post by JaneB on Mar 29, 2018 14:04:56 GMT
So far it has worked to simply change the resolution of the image after scanning, but in the future, I will scan a 1 inch colored square with the page, just in case it is fickle. Oh, it will work certainly. But if one day you want crisp, clean images to print as well as cut then changing the image size once imported is the best of both worlds
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 29, 2018 18:06:30 GMT
You make an excellent point, Jane. I will keep that in mind for the future. I am not currently doing print and cut, but you are right that I may want to use them in that way later.
What I am currently doing is scanning stamped images that I want to cut out with my Cameo. I don't have matching dies for these stamps. I am cutting first, then stamping on the die cuts (then coloring later).
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Post by gale w on Mar 29, 2018 18:52:37 GMT
scrapnnana , my method for creating cut files from stamped images with my cameo is to scan a 1” square beside the stamped image. When I import the image into the silhouette software all I have to do is resize it based on that 1” square. It takes seconds, there’s no messing around with the resolution and I’ve never had an issue with it being off in size.If I’m reading your post correctly, I do the same thing you did with the template - cut the template out of a piece of waste paper and used my stamp platform and the template to line up the stamp, like a puzzle piece the way you said. It’s actually easier than it may sound. That is genius. And would work for other things too, like making sure a printed pattern is the right size.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2018 4:32:05 GMT
Just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread scrapnnana! It’s been very informative! And I agree that scanning in the 1” square is genius streetscrapper. Thank you for sharing it!
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Post by scrapnnana on Sept 10, 2018 15:41:57 GMT
I am revisiting this, because Jane was right. Silhouette IS fickle! The last time I tried to scan at 72 dpi, it still came in too big in Silhouette, but I had the one inch square, fortunately, so I was able to size it down.
It is also hard to get the square lined up on the scanner glass without cutting a bit off by placing it at the edge, unless you' have an additional border or something. To get it oriented right, I need to line the square up somehow. I cannot just eyeball it when placing it on the glass.
I will be trying both this and Jane's suggestion for getting the size right, but I think Jane's suggestion sounds easier and faster.
In this case, I am actually scanning wood shapes, not stamps. After they are painted, I will be adding patterned paper that I have done an inside offset to, so they have a small border of paint showing beyond the cut patterned paper. It's a home decor project. Just like scanned stamps, I need the sizing to be exact for the wood shapes.
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Post by gizzy on Sept 10, 2018 18:28:17 GMT
This is a brilliant idea! Sometimes I amaze myself with how little outside the box thinking I have. Never thought to do this for those stamps that have intricate cuts.
I don't have a scanner, so I take a picture with my phone, take it into photoshop, make sure it is 300dpi and then into silhouette. I haven't had issues yet.
Could the scanner be messing it up?
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Post by chrispeas on Sept 11, 2018 3:29:27 GMT
scrapnnana , my method for creating cut files from stamped images with my cameo is to scan a 1” square beside the stamped image. When I import the image into the silhouette software all I have to do is resize it based on that 1” square. It takes seconds, there’s no messing around with the resolution and I’ve never had an issue with it being off in size. This is my method of scanning as well. I did this for a bunch of sizzix die cuts.
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Post by JaneB on Sept 11, 2018 5:53:17 GMT
Ultimately pixels mean not a lot in Silhoeutte Studio because it's a vector program. That means any image you draw can be resized without loss of quality, which is why it isn't strictly pixel-based as one usually thinks of pixels.
The pixel count of an image imported only becomes important when you are printing, for example papers or elements. Then you keep to original size of the item for clean, crisp printing.
Thus for stamps that are scanned in you need to know the size so it can adjusted once into Silhouette Studio before making edits like cut lines.
Also, set the grid at the most-used measurement for quick resizing. I have mine at 1-inch with 8 divisions. Thus if a stamp is 2 x 3-inches I can easily see that on my screen as 2 squares by 3 squares.
When I import graphics I resize to where they fit on the page but I don't always go to their true size before tracing. I find I get a better trace on a larger image, less edit points and it's easier to edit if needed too. The cut lines can then easily be resized.
I'd happily make a video of importing stamps to do a cut line - except I don't have any stamps!
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Post by warrior1991 on Oct 9, 2018 18:08:44 GMT
Question for you all. I bought these lovely stamps from a wonderful store in the UK and they do not have metal dies available. So I'm asking about scanning the images in so I can cut the shape out of cardstock then stamp on them. Like we have been talking about. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedMy question is, do I stamp the whole group at once and then scan to make it easier? Would it work if I scanned the image sheet even though that is smaller than the stamp image? I hope my question is clear. Thanks.
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Post by scrapnnana on Oct 9, 2018 20:33:54 GMT
I would scan the actual stamped image at 72 dpi resolution, with the 1 inch cardstock square beside it. I would not use the image sheet, even though it would be faster than stamping each image.
However, you could try just scanning the image sheet. I would scan at least one actual stamped image next to the image sheet, though, with the cardstock 1 inch square as well. That would help you figure out how to adjust the size to fit the stamps.
Once you get the cutting files the right size, you will not miss the lack of dies!
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Post by elegantsufficiency on Oct 9, 2018 21:37:37 GMT
What a great thread...how much I didn't know I didn't know (but I do now...thank you!)
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Post by riversong1963 on Oct 10, 2018 11:25:49 GMT
I use the Pix Scan mat with my Silhouette Portrait, and it works really well. Sometimes I have to tweak the settings a little, but if I take the photo with good lighting, it works much better.
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Post by scrapnnana on Oct 10, 2018 12:02:55 GMT
I use the Pix Scan mat with my Silhouette Portrait, and it works really well. Sometimes I have to tweak the settings a little, but if I take the photo with good lighting, it works much better. Key words are "good lighting." When using the PixScan mat, I kept getting the message that my image was not good enough. My camera on my phone is really good, but 95% of the time, I got an error message with PixScan. It only worked well when I went out and took my picture outside on a sunny day, with my stamped images on the sidewalk. I was spending more time trying to get PixScan to work than it was worth. When it worked, it was great. It just almost never worked, probably because I have energy efficient bulbs that are not the "daylight" type. That is what the builder put in. I am gradually replacing them with the daylight type of energy efficient bulbs, but after two years, I am still waiting for them to burn out in my craft room so I can replace them. For me, it has just been faster and easier to use my scanner to create the cutting file for my stamps than PixScan, but I really love being able to do the "cut first, stamp second" method.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 30, 2019 0:50:34 GMT
Adding an update:
Today I scanned 4 stamps for which I have no dies. These are stamps which don't do as well in the Scan N Cut.
I used a 1 inch colored square to size it correctly, did a trace, and created cutting files. The clean up took a bit longer than I expected, but they are very, very detailed stamps. I have test cut two of the four, and stamped the blanks. They lined up well.
Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this. I finally got around to actually doing it today. I had done it before, but had issues getting the sizing right. That 1 inch square really made a huge difference.
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Post by anniefb on Mar 31, 2019 2:23:07 GMT
Thanks everyone. Must give this a try as well!
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Post by streetscrapper on Mar 31, 2019 12:38:33 GMT
Adding an update: Today I scanned 4 stamps for which I have no dies. These are stamps which don't do as well in the Scan N Cut. I used a 1 inch colored square to size it correctly, did a trace, and created cutting files. The clean up took a bit longer than I expected, but they are very, very detailed stamps. I have test cut two of the four, and stamped the blanks. They lined up well. Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this. I finally got around to actually doing it today. I had done it before, but had issues getting the sizing right. That 1 inch square really made a huge difference. Glad it worked for you scrapnnana. I bought the PixScan mat but have never used it because of all the problems I've heard that people have with it. The 1" square is my go to for scanning in images to use with my Cameo. I don't know if you did this, but before I scan the stamped image I use a black marker to colour it in and then I scan it. I think that may make the "clean up" a lot easier.
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Post by nicolep on Mar 31, 2019 13:06:54 GMT
I just read through this entire thread and there's a ton of super helpful info here! THANK YOU everyone!
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 1, 2019 13:25:24 GMT
Adding an update: Today I scanned 4 stamps for which I have no dies. These are stamps which don't do as well in the Scan N Cut. I used a 1 inch colored square to size it correctly, did a trace, and created cutting files. The clean up took a bit longer than I expected, but they are very, very detailed stamps. I have test cut two of the four, and stamped the blanks. They lined up well. Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this. I finally got around to actually doing it today. I had done it before, but had issues getting the sizing right. That 1 inch square really made a huge difference. Glad it worked for you scrapnnana . I bought the PixScan mat but have never used it because of all the problems I've heard that people have with it. The 1" square is my go to for scanning in images to use with my Cameo. I don't know if you did this, but before I scan the stamped image I use a black marker to colour it in and then I scan it. I think that may make the "clean up" a lot easier. Thanks for that suggestion. I tried it on one of the stamped images that had a less detailed outline, and I did get a better scan and trace. I should also mention that I am also more likely to get a decent cut with the Scan N Cut, as long as I fully color the stamped image(s) first. Sometimes I just want some blanks to cut first, stamp and color later.
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