Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Apr 2, 2018 1:39:57 GMT
*Update*: I just now sent her a brief message, said I'm so sorry she is depressed, but that I think her suggestion that we take a break was the right thing to do, and that I wish her good things and that I hope she could find real help for her depression. I didn't want to leave it too open for discussion, because I don't want to discuss, and if she replies, I'll probably have my husband read and delete it tonight.
I just want to say I had no intention of ghosting or ignoring her. That was my husband's first instinct when I read him her message, too, but I've had that done to me by friends (in pre-FB days) and it's extremely unpleasant. She deserves the courtesy of a reply, however short and final.
I suffer from anxiety and depression too, and have my whole life, that's partly why I feel such sympathy for her, but I am trying hard every day to find a new path and part of that effort was having her out of my life, and now keeping her out of my life. I will unfriend, and possibly block, her on FB and stop the sporadic contact.
I appreciate you all so much; everyone here always gives me good advice and new ways to look at a situation. @missjen Your message idea gave me a great way to start--thanks!!!
I've come here for advice about this particular friend at least once, maybe twice before, and always gotten excellent insight. So here I am again.
I've known this woman for almost 30 years, since college. She's not a healthy friend for me to have, but I stuck with it for years beyond what I should have because I genuinely care about her and because she has a lot of problems, is basically alone in the world, and needs friendship. Three years ago, I was going through some shit, she was going through some shit, and I could not be there for her. She has almost never been there for me, so there was certainly no way she'd be able to at that time. We'd sort of been avoiding each other, and thankfully, she was the one who proposed that we put the friendship on hold. I was so relieved. I don't think I could have ended it myself, I would have felt too guilty.
Three years have gone by, we've exchanged a couple of Christmas cards, she let me know when she bought a condo and her address changed, that's all the contact we've had. I'm not even sure if we're FB friends, I either unfollowed or unfriended her at some point, don't remember which. I have thought many times, even as recently as a week or so ago, how glad and relieved I am to not feel responsible for propping her up any more. I have all I can do to manage my own physical and mental health. I've done a lot for myself in the past three years, not the least of which is making much better and healthier friends.
Tonight she sent me a note on FB Messenger. She says she's been very depressed for four years. She's sad we don't do things together any more. She wants to know if I can come down (she lives about 45 minutes away) in a couple of weeks to see her new place and go to the home and garden show with her, which we'd done before a few times in the past.
There is no way that this is a good idea for me. I feel bad for her, I'm sorry she's depressed and sad and alone, but she has literally been in a state of crisis since college graduation. And I've been there for all of it and I'm just done. She's had a pretty shitty life, but there's nothing I can do about it. I get wrapped up in her crises and it's bad for me.
I can hear this tiny voice in my head that still wants to say, "Just have lunch with her, look at her house, she needs someone to care about her..." because I have these strong beliefs about how I should treat people and what kind of friend I should be, but there's a much louder voice stating firmly that this is a bad idea and I will get sucked right back in and that is the last place I want to be. I care about her, but I can't be her friend. I'm upset and annoyed that this is going on tonight when I was having a relaxing day with my husband before a stressful week. I had told myself that she was living a good life, she had a new job, so I was hoping she'd made some new friends and built a support system--I don't want to know that it's the same old, same old with her.
What I need advice about is what to respond to her. I have no idea what will be kind but not cruel. I don't want to tip her over the edge, I have zero desire to hurt her...I simply don't want to have contact with her. How in the world do you say that to a vulnerable person? There needs to be a hard boundary between her and me, but I don't know a non-hurtful way to do that.
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Post by mom on Apr 2, 2018 1:59:10 GMT
1. You are not responsible for her emotional health. If she 'tips over the edge' that is on her, and in no way is because of you. 2. No, I am not available is a kind thing to say, if you choose not to do #3. 3. I would delete the message and block her. You are in a good place and unfortunately, that place doesn't include her.
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emilymom
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Aug 24, 2014 20:32:42 GMT
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Post by emilymom on Apr 2, 2018 1:59:30 GMT
I think I would just say I have been very busy over the last number of years and wish her well...and leave it at that.
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Post by burningfeather on Apr 2, 2018 2:30:18 GMT
My go to response lately is "I have plans."
Most of the time those plans are to stay at home, do something I want to do, or otherwise NOT do whatever it is that I'm declining. No one ever asks what those other plans are.
And then, because it does seem like you are in a place where you may not be able to handle any sort of contact from her, I would add that I'm rarely on FB or social media and just happened to see her message and then block her so that you don't see future messages from her. I'm picking up that it's not a healthy relationship for you either so you have to protect your own mental health.
Some people are just emotional vampires and are hard to be around.
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Post by Dixie Lou on Apr 2, 2018 2:34:11 GMT
I would not respond and would block her. You have to do what is best for you.
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J u l e e
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Jun 28, 2014 2:50:47 GMT
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 2, 2018 2:40:27 GMT
"I'm sorry I'm unable to get together with you. I wish you peace and happiness in your new home."
If you "have plans " for this event, she'll just try again and you'll find yourself back here.
I'm sorry the friendship didn't just fade away like it seems it should have. I feel for you. It's a tough place to be.
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Post by scrappychick on Apr 2, 2018 2:42:02 GMT
relieved I am to not feel responsible for propping her up any more. I have all I can do to manage my own physical and mental health. There is no way that this is a good idea for me. I feel bad for her, I'm sorry she's depressed and sad and alone, but she has literally been in a state of crisis since college graduation. And I've been there for all of it and I'm just done. I get wrapped up in her crises and it's bad for me. that this is a bad idea and I will get sucked right back in and that is the last place I want to be. I care about her, but I can't be her friend. This is what I’d say to her. You don’t have to feel bad for doing what’s best for your own mental health, and encourage her to do the same.
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Post by mrssmith on Apr 2, 2018 2:50:51 GMT
You definitely shouldn't see her if this is how you feel. I'd probably just not respond. Saying you're busy leaves the conversation open to "well, what about XX week or XX week?"
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Loydene
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Jul 8, 2014 16:31:47 GMT
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Post by Loydene on Apr 2, 2018 3:05:24 GMT
Respond positively and nicely about the new house. Ignore everything else. Then block her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 3:10:15 GMT
My advice, ditch messenger. If you have people you routinely communicate with that way, have them just text you. Anyone who would use messenger are going to be facebook friends who likely aren't really friends; like this woman is. Then the message sits in your facebook inbox for whenever you log into facebook on a computer instead of being right there on your phone. And if you rarely log in to a computer to read facebook... oh well. Do yourself a favor and don't be exchanging Christmas cards either. It sends mixed messages about the ability to revive the relationship.
I would say between my work and family commitments my life feels overwhelming and doesn't have any free time for the foreseeable future. If she gets a message that you are going to be dumping on her and need her she is going to be far less interested in the outing with you.
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Post by buckeyegirl on Apr 2, 2018 4:41:24 GMT
Unfortunately, it isn't going to work out for us to get together. I am so happy you have a new place and I wish you all the best.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 2, 2018 5:49:28 GMT
I had someone like that in my life. My BFF the piano teacher is a mutual friend. It's awkward because she now goes to my GP and the same psych and we do run into one another.
You might want to do what I did. I blocked her phone numbers (she has 2) and her texts, Facebook on ignore and told her not to contact me.
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hannahruth
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Aug 29, 2014 18:57:20 GMT
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Post by hannahruth on Apr 2, 2018 6:45:50 GMT
This is a tough one as you feel you may get sucked back into the vortex! Obviously not a good place for you to be.
My advice is that you "say what you mean and mean what you say".
No airy fairy way of telling her no so be firm but gentle. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 7:47:43 GMT
I'm happy for you that you got a new place. I'm sure it's lovely. Thanks for wanting to share your excitement with me.
I'm sorry for the depression you're experiencing. I will pray you find relief.
However, I believe that the suspension of our relationship that you proposed 3 years ago has been best for the health of both of us. While I do wish the best for you, I think it is best that we continue our separation.
I will pray that you find a friend who can give you the support you need and deserve during this difficult time. Enjoy the Home Show.
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momto4kiddos
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Jun 26, 2014 11:45:15 GMT
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Post by momto4kiddos on Apr 2, 2018 9:56:42 GMT
I'm sure people will think i'm mean, but some people just don't ever change. She sounds like one of them.
My advice is DO NOT RESPOND! Do not engage! I feel badly for people who have had a tough time in life. I really do have sympathy for those who have been dealt a crappy hand. But at the same time I don't believe you can hold others hostage with your unhealthy behavior.
I would ignore the message and then block any way you know for her to communicate with you. Block her phone number, email, etc. She sucks you in and you know it's not healthy for you so avoid it.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 2, 2018 10:16:10 GMT
First of all, stop sending her Christmas cards- you are keeping the door open by doing this. Second, block her on fb and make sure messenger is set up not to allow non-friends to message you. And delete and ignore the message.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 2, 2018 11:02:37 GMT
"I'm sorry I'm unable to get together with you. I wish you peace and happiness in your new home." That's pretty good. I feel for you, Mystie . Sounds like she didn't mention the fact that she's the one that wanted the separation. That sounds like a good recipe for drama, drama, and more drama.
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tuesdaysgone
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Post by tuesdaysgone on Apr 2, 2018 11:42:12 GMT
I had to distance myself from a friend like this. I still feel some guilt about it but I also know she wanted me in her life just to be a sounding board for her perceived grievances and problems. No matter what I said or did, her life was the same dark cloud. You have received good/kind advice here.
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Post by missbennet on Apr 2, 2018 11:56:16 GMT
Admirable, I completely get this. And if it wasn't a huge problem for you, then yes, it would be great if you could give someone like that an afternoon of attention and listening.
However, it is a problem for you. And you really don't want to. And from what you've said, it won't help or soothe her anyway, but it will bring you down.
Hard pass. Your own oxygen mask first and all that jazz.
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Apr 2, 2018 12:10:59 GMT
"A get together will not work for me. Congrats on the new house, and I wish you the best." Simple and done. Don't respond to any more messages, stop with the Christmas cards, and be done.
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msladibug
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Post by msladibug on Apr 2, 2018 12:18:56 GMT
Toxic is toxic no matter how small the dosage
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eleezybeth
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 2, 2018 12:33:21 GMT
Why not tell her the truth? You are not in a place in which any social engagements with her would be good for your mental and physical health. That you hate the way that sounds but you need to be able to reserve any extra energy you have after your family and job for yourself. Hopefully, she understands and that you do hope she is doing wonderful with her new job. That you completely understand how depression can impact a person and you hope that she can understand why you can't give of yourself at this time.
If not, well then screw off and block her.
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kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on Apr 2, 2018 13:02:09 GMT
I wouldn’t even respond. Just like the message I have in my FB messenger currently from an old friend much like this. I haven’t responded, and won’t. We aren’t FB friends anymore, because he unfriended me, so I’m leaving it at that.
At this point, you don’t owe her anything, including a response.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 13:36:57 GMT
1. You are not responsible for her emotional health. If she 'tips over the edge' that is on her, and in no way is because of you. 2. No, I am not available is a kind thing to say, if you choose not to do #3. 3. I would delete the message and block her. You are in a good place and unfortunately, that place doesn't include her.
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luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Apr 2, 2018 13:58:59 GMT
My personal experience is that the "emotional vampires" (perfect term, whoever used it above) often have others they call on, but keep their "friends" separate. In other words, you may be lead to believe you are the only person who is there for her, but actually, there are others. Again, my personal experience, YMMV. Don't feel guilty about not wanting to be used. It's not healthy to be responsible for the burdens of others.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 2, 2018 14:00:33 GMT
Ugh. I feel your pain. I know I'd probably go and see her, but from this side of the sofa, it's easy to say it's a bad idea. However, unlike others, I'd definitely tell her why. I think 30 years of friendship and her clear state of depression means that you need to tell her. It sucks all around, because you know a good side to her, too, and you probably hope that is the part that comes out.
Depression is a horrible disease and I see the ravages it takes on people. I realize that by responding, you are giving her an opening, but you can respond and tell her you will not respond again. All in one message.
Good luck.
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peabrain
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Post by peabrain on Apr 2, 2018 14:14:47 GMT
I have to say regardless of what an idiot the person may be or if they are "toxic" or not or whatever catch phrase of the day maybe. I have to boil it down to how would I like to be treated. Would I want someone just to delete and block me? She's reached out to you. That was probably hard to do for her. You've got to at least give her THAT. After 3 (THREE!) years. She reached out. She didn't say anything bad. She just reached out. And ya'll are like Block her. So I'm saying just take a second and ask yourself if you were in her shoes how would you like to be treated?
If you sent someone a message, would you like to be blocked or would you like a straight up answer.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 2, 2018 14:27:01 GMT
I'm happy for you that you got a new place. I'm sure it's lovely. Thanks for wanting to share your excitement with me. I'm sorry for the depression you're experiencing. I will pray you find relief. However, I believe that the suspension of our relationship that you proposed 3 years ago has been best for the health of both of us. While I do wish the best for you, I think it is best that we continue our separation. I will pray that you find a friend who can give you the support you need and deserve during this difficult time. Enjoy the Home Show. this is so beautifully said. Shows compassion, heart, but is still truthful and firm. Ditto this, and after I hit send I'd unfriend/block or whatever off of FB and messenger. Wish her well, and focus on you.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Apr 2, 2018 14:30:34 GMT
I care about her, but I can't be her friend. I had a friend very similar to yours and I "broke up" with her. I came here and asked for advice and the majority said it's okay if you don't want to be friends with someone, it's your choice. It's tough and I do feel guilt but I also know that I just can't be the friend that she needs. OP, You need to sever all ties with her- if not you leave a door open and that personality type will always want to walk back through that door. I felt bad doing it but also knew that was the only effective way to totally "break up" with her. It's okay to want to retire that friendship. ((hugs))
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Post by librarylady on Apr 2, 2018 14:31:47 GMT
If you feel you MUST respond tell her that her suggestion of putting the friendship on hold is working well for you and you don't want to upset the balance. Then block her/unfriend her or whatever necessary to permanently end the relationship.
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