"In court, Zeigler started talking about his side of the incident, saying, according to video of his arraignment, “There’s a lot more to the story than what’s being told and I believe that will come out in court. I was in bed yesterday morning and my wife came screaming and crying …” However, he did not say more at that time because the court informed him that the purpose of the hearing was merely an arraignment." Notice a trend.
"The house had a Ring doorbell, which according to Fox 2 Detroit recorded the incident. Investigators let Wright and her son see the video.
“One of the things that stands out, that probably angers me the most is, while I was watching the tape, you can hear the wife say, ‘Why did these people choose my house?’” Wright said.
“Who are ‘these people’? And that set me off. I didn’t want to believe it was what it appeared to look like. When I heard her say that, it was like, ‘But it is [what it looks like],’” the mother said."
The poor kid must have been terrified! He's so lucky that the idiot home owner was “not terribly weapons-competent.”
Mr. Zeigler, a retired firefighter, told a District Court judge on Friday that he was in bed on Thursday morning when his wife began “screaming and crying,” The Associated Press reported. “There’s a lot more to the story than what’s being told,” he added, “and I believe that will come out in court.”
Yeah, I just can't wait to hear "more of the story" that will come out in court.
Absolutely disgusting and horrific. What the heck is happening to people? Can't an innocent teenager ask for directions without the person who answered the door going hysterical with fear and screaming and crying? This is what happens, in my honest opinion, when people are brainwashed by a group like the NRA that they have to protect themselves at all times and have their guns ready. It makes them paranoid.
Look what happened next-the man living in the house got his gun and instead of staying in his house and watching the teen running down the road and maybe calling 911 saying they'd had a scare-he decided instead to chase an unarmed teen and start shooting at him. A teen who did nothing but knock on his door and ask for directions.
I hope they throw the book at this man and charge him with everything they can. If he'd been a better shot this teen would be dead. I am so sick of this!
This came across my facebook feed, I was speechless. That poor boy must have been absolutely terrified. What the heck is wrong with people that get so paranoid about a ring on the door bell by a person that just happens to be a different coloured skin to themselves.
'Why do these people choose my house?' " "Who are 'these people'?.....THESE PEOPLE ? I have no words
I used to live and work in that town. It’s mostly white, middle class, church going Republicans. In fact it often features in those top 10 ‘best towns to live in’ lists. Except obviously, if you’re black.
The poor kid must have been terrified! He's so lucky that the idiot home owner was “not terribly weapons-competent.”
Mr. Zeigler, a retired firefighter, told a District Court judge on Friday that he was in bed on Thursday morning when his wife began “screaming and crying,” The Associated Press reported. “There’s a lot more to the story than what’s being told,” he added, “and I believe that will come out in court.”
Yeah, I just can't wait to hear "more of the story" that will come out in court.
There is no more of the story to come out. The version of the story Brennan gave to the police matched up with the video evidence from the owners cctv camera. I really don’t know what he’s talking about.
This reaction was outrageous. Just don’t answer the damned door if you are so scared. Why would the wife be screaming or the man take out a shotgun? I hope he receives the stiffest penalty possible.
When I was 8 months pregnant I was rear ended by another car and needed assistance. This was before the days of cellphones. I was holding a toddler in my arms and with a giant belly was knocking on doors. An elderly woman who answered her door refused to let me in or call police for me. I guess this 5’4” white woman with a baby in her hip and another in the oven looked like a big threat to her. I cannot imagine being a black teen in a similar situation.
I read this story and I was horrified. This poor child was trying to walk to school because he missed his bus; and he was trying to follow the bus route and got lost. Craziness on the part of both homeowners!
Zeigler has previous convictions of discharging a weapon during a road rage incident. Police officers and firefighters seem to automatically be given the hero badge no matter how undeserving they are as a whole or as individuals. I think his wife should also be charged. And this would be a great opportunity for America to say to its black citizens "Your tax dollars afford you some minimum protections" by convicting them both.
Imagine what story the shooter would have run with had there not been a video.
I'm confident everyone would have believed the homeowner and this kid would have been turned into a thug or robber even before breathe had left his body. I say this because the comment section is still insisting this kid was casing homes instead of being a really good kid and making it to school with no excuses.
A black teenage girl was shot and killed because she got into a car crash and then knocked on the door of a white man with a gun. Everyone insisted that she would have been arrested for a DUI and that the homeowner was just protecting his home. His sentence was very light.
Imagine what story the shooter would have run with had there not been a video.
I'm confident everyone would have believed the homeowner and this kid would have been turned into a thug or robber even before breathe had left his body. I say this because the comment section is still insisting this kid was casing homes instead of being a really good kid and making it to school with no excuses.
A black teenage girl was shot and killed because she got into a car crash and then knocked on the door of a white man with a gun. Everyone insisted that she would have been arrested for a DUI and that the homeowner was just protecting his home. His sentence was very light.
I agree. It sounds like they are going to try to pretend that there was more going on here even with the video. They seem like “very fine people.”
“There’s a lot more to the story than what’s being told and I believe that will come out in court.
I am looking forward to hearing the "lot more" to this story and don't think it is going to exonerate the Zeiglers the way he seems to believe it will.
Is there video of him approaching and 'pounding' on the door in an alarming way? My town is 96.3% white, I just found out the other day. Therefore I can't imagine I'd have a black teen at my door. However I would be alarmed if a white kid came banging on my door IF it was more than just knocking. I would not shoot them though! If they got inside that's another story, but this is not what happened here.
Furthermore...WHY did this guy have a gun if he'd had other gun charges before? THAT is what angers me in so many shootings. IMO, one of the BIG ways to try to stop this crap is that if you are charged with a gun offense, NO plea bargaining to get that particular charge dropped or plea bargained. That seems like common sense to me, but it happens ALL the time. In my opinion, a gun charge sticks, and punishment is met for that charge as well as any others. Period. And never get a gun (legally) again. Of course the illegal guns are a different story, but geez at least don't make it A-OK for these people who have already proven dangerous with a gun.
Zeigler has previous convictions of discharging a weapon during a road rage incident. Police officers and firefighters seem to automatically be given the hero badge no matter how undeserving they are as a whole or as individuals. I think his wife should also be charged. And this would be a great opportunity for America to say to its black citizens "Your tax dollars afford you some minimum protections" by convicting them both.
I bolded the sentence- what should the wife be charged with? From what I read, she only made comments and it was her husband that ran after him with the loaded gun.
www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/rochester-hills-man-who-shot-at-lost-teen-had-previous-gun-charge It is not the first time he got into trouble with a gun. Warren police arrested Zeigler for shooting at a car in a road rage incident on I-696. It happened in 2004. Zeigler faced an aggravated felonious assault charge, but plead guilty to a misdemeanor. He got one year of probation plus fines and court costs.
THIS shit has to stop!
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Because white women have been conditioned to believe black men are dangerous. This even includes young black males.
Not all white women have been conditioned to believe this.
Last week, Vanity Fair reported that the woman who in 1955 accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of sexually harassing her in a Mississippi store, leading to the black teen’s gruesome murder, fabricated her account of that day.
In his new book The Blood of Emmett Till, Duke University professor Timothy B. Tyson writes that Carolyn Bryant Donham — who was married to one of the men who killed Till in 1955 — admitted in 2007 that the black teen never verbally or physically abused her. This contradicted statements she made during the slain teen’s trial where she testified that Till “grabbed her hand … clasped her waist, and … told her that he had been with white women before.”
“That part is not true,” Bryant, who was 21 at the time of the trial, told Tyson in the book.
That lie led to Till being beaten beyond recognition, shot in the head, having his eyes gouged out and a 74-pound cotton gin fan tied to his neck with barbed wire before being thrown in the nearby Tallahatchie River. The murder — and the gruesome images of his open-casket funeral published in Jet magazine — catalyzed the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
But even a half century after Till’s murder, Donham’s lie still reverberates through the African-American community.
Just as there is an ongoing debate about the threat of radical Islam on American freedom, there’s long been the perceived threat of black masculinity to white female safety. We currently live in the world of fake news and alternative facts, but white lies have tangible consequences, which is why it’s that much more concerning when white women — like Donham — feel comfortable blaming black men for gruesome crimes.
Whether it’s a woman in Michigan falsely claiming that a group of black men kidnapped, beat and raped her; another woman claiming a black man kidnapped her 3-year-old and 14-month-old sons (whom she actually killed); the infamous Amanda Knox accusing a black man of the heinous murder she was initially convicted of; or even a man claiming that black men stabbed his wife to death (whom he actually killed). In each instance, the initial story was believable because of the troubling belief that a black man is capable of such a thing.
It’s because we’ve always been told this is what black men do.
The original The Birth of a Nation — a movie that was screened at the White House — depicts the heroism of the Ku Klux Klan after a white woman chooses death over the threat of rape by a black man. In 1988, the notorious Willie Horton ad by the George H.W. Bush presidential campaign effectively ended Democrat Michael Dukakis’ candidacy, because what’s scarier than a black felon raping and stabbing an all-American white couple?
Five black and brown teenagers in New York City’s Central Park were accused of stabbing, assaulting, and raping a pretty 28-year-old white woman. Despite forced confessions from the police, the teens — dubbed the Central Park Five — were sentenced to between five-15 years in prison. President Donald Trump, then just a real estate mogul, advocated for the return of the death penalty in New York based on this case. The case reeked of the threat of black male sexuality to not only New York City, but the entire country.
Kaela Carpenter, the wife of Buffalo Bills kicker Dan Carpenter, was so threatened by Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman that she threatened on Twitter to castrate the All-Pro defensive back after his late hit on her husband. While Carpenter passed the tweet off as a joke, her comment was tied to a history of black slaves who were dismembered because of the perceived threat to white women’s safety.
In 2015, convicted murderer Dylann Roof fatally shot nine parishioners at a South Carolina church because blacks were “raping our women.” This, despite historical data finding that nearly 90 percent of rapes involve a victim and offender of the same race.
It brings to mind what Kanye West was talking about on hit song “Black Skinhead”: Enter the kingdom, But watch who you bring home/They see a black man with a white woman / At the top floor they gone come to kill King Kong/Middle America packed in, Came to see me in my black skin.
Black boys are seen as a threat to social hierarchy from the minute they are born. Black kids — even preschoolers — are suspended and expelled at a higher rate than their white counterparts. Despite being just as likely to commit a crime as white boys, black boys are more likely to be imprisoned. The threat is so severe that students in Missouri could be charged with a felony for a run-of-the-mill school fight. It’s why 14-year-old George Stinney Jr. became the youngest person in the 20th century to be executed after being convicted for the murder of two white girls in 1944. Police coerced the young boy into admitting that he wanted to have sex with one of the victims.
As trivial as it sounds, there’s a reason that black parents have long warned their sons about dating white women. This isn’t due to “reverse racism”; parents legitimately fear for their sons’ lives. Ask any black woman how she feels about the Beyonce-led film Obsessed and she’ll answer matter-of-factly that she knew that white girl was crazy.
White men, on the other hand, aren’t perceived as threatening no matter what they do, hence convicted rapist Brock Turner spending only three months in jail for assaulting an unconscious Stanford University co-ed. The judge in that case said a “prison sentence would have a severe impact on him. I think he will not be a danger to others.” Turner’s father called the rape “20 minutes of action.”
Despite evidence that he admitted to grabbing women by their genitalia and bragged about being able to get away with it, 52 percent of white women voted for Trump and his race likely played a major role. For a second, imagine former President Barack Obama even insinuating that, let alone saying it.
It’s the difference in police response to the Women’s March on Washington compared with any protest surrounding Black Lives Matter. The women — mostly white — were applauded for having zero arrests among the half-million of them, but that wasn’t so much an accomplishment as it was an expectation. No one truly expected riot gear, military tanks and tear gas for a group of pink-hatted white women. Where’s the threat in that?
Late feminist scholar Alice S. Rossi noted that “sexuality is a product of psychobiological readiness, historic conditioning, circumstance (social context), self-identity, and generalized others’ definition of self,” and that “black hypersexuality is a product of limited life prospects, failed legitimate economic mobility, an exploitive generalized other self-definition, and belief in the myth of black sexual superiority.” While black men are legitimately concerned with real-world issues such as unemployment and mass incarceration, Gov. Paul LePage of Maine is worried about “D-Money” or “Shifty” impregnating young white girls. Black men have long been fetishized as sexual objects by white women, perhaps more so in contemporary times. Last September, Lena Dunham was accused of viewing Odell Beckham Jr. as a failed sexual partner, not as an actual human being. Madonna stuck her tongue down Drake’s throat, two decades after swapping spit with fellow rapper Big Daddy Kane. This was after the Material Girl referred to her adopted Malawian son as “#disNigga” and told SPIN magazine in 1996 that “I have never been treated more disrespectfully as a woman than by the black men that I’ve dated.”
New York Times writer Wesley Morris excellently laid out the threat of the black penis in American cinema last year: “Be careful near white people. The warning between the lines isn’t hard to spot, either: Be careful because your sexuality, to them, is hazardous.”
After speaking with Duke researcher Tyson for the book back in 2007, Donham’s whereabouts have been kept secret by her family members. The author told Vanity Fair that the case “went a long way toward ruining her life” and that Donham, someone who directly benefited from white supremacy, “thought the old system of white supremacy was wrong, though she had more or less taken it as normal at the time.”
While speaking with Tyson, Donham also accused her former husband Roy Bryant — one of Till’s murderers — of being “physically abusive to her.” Ironically, it wasn’t a black man (or boy) who was the biggest threat to her life.
Zeigler has previous convictions of discharging a weapon during a road rage incident. Police officers and firefighters seem to automatically be given the hero badge no matter how undeserving they are as a whole or as individuals. I think his wife should also be charged. And this would be a great opportunity for America to say to its black citizens "Your tax dollars afford you some minimum protections" by convicting them both.
I bolded the sentence- what should the wife be charged with? From what I read, she only made comments and it was her husband that ran after him with the loaded gun.
She should absolutely be charged. I'm not sure what her husband is being charged with and don't play a lawyer on the internet. Though if black men can be arrested for not ordering a latte before sitting down to a meeting then a white woman should be charged when her racist overreaction results in the discharge of a weapon. Brennan could have been killed while his Army Ranger father fought for this country and society would tell black people there is more to the story.
Fragile white men+Guns=racial violence. White women lying+black men=lynchings/massacres/deaths
Zeigler has previous convictions of discharging a weapon during a road rage incident. Police officers and firefighters seem to automatically be given the hero badge no matter how undeserving they are as a whole or as individuals. I think his wife should also be charged. And this would be a great opportunity for America to say to its black citizens "Your tax dollars afford you some minimum protections" by convicting them both.
I bolded the sentence- what should the wife be charged with? From what I read, she only made comments and it was her husband that ran after him with the loaded gun.
I'm wondering if she can be charged with incitement - which would essentially get her charged with the same crimes. If she runs hysterically into the room where he's sleeping saying that someone is trying to break in, knowing he has a gun in the house - it sure as hell seems like she would know that she's inciting violence. But sometimes logic and law don't overlap the way I think they should.
Imagine what story the shooter would have run with had there not been a video.
I'm confident everyone would have believed the homeowner and this kid would have been turned into a thug or robber even before breathe had left his body. I say this because the comment section is still insisting this kid was casing homes instead of being a really good kid and making it to school with no excuses.
A black teenage girl was shot and killed because she got into a car crash and then knocked on the door of a white man with a gun. Everyone insisted that she would have been arrested for a DUI and that the homeowner was just protecting his home. His sentence was very light.
Olan is right. I've seen it on this board whenever the subject of race comes up. These topics being discussed opens my eyes and forces me to confront some of these issues, uncomfortable as it is.
I've been watching Jay-Z on Letterman's Netflix show (I haven't watched all of it) and Jay-Z, when discussing Trump, said,
"I think that what he's (Trump) forcing people to do is have a conversation and people band together and work together. You can't really address something that's not revealed. He's bringing out an ugly side of America that we wanted to believe was gone. And it's still here, and we've got to deal with it. We have to have the conversation. We have to have tough conversations. We have to talk about the n-word. We have to talk about why white men are so privileged in this country."
In the past, I assumed that there was little *I* could do. After all *I* was not racist, *I* was not discriminating against anyone. But that is not enough. Maybe this is just my personal tipping point or maybe this is a tipping point on a larger scale (I hope so) My kids make me want to do the right thing, set a good example and I want my kids to grow up in a better world. I am a middle-aged white woman and the privileged chair I'm sitting in is not feeling very comfortable.
These topics are uncomfortable. There is most often a reaction by white people of, "Yeah, but..." In May 2017, Oprah's magazine had several articles. Here is a link to what she said which in turn leads to more articles and commentaries.
There are many things that have contributed to *my" tipping point including the treatment of Colin Kaepernick, the shootings of way too many people, this spoken word by Nick Cannon, reading some of the postings on this board and, yes, Olan
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I'm confident everyone would have believed the homeowner and this kid would have been turned into a thug or robber even before breathe had left his body. I say this because the comment section is still insisting this kid was casing homes instead of being a really good kid and making it to school with no excuses.
A black teenage girl was shot and killed because she got into a car crash and then knocked on the door of a white man with a gun. Everyone insisted that she would have been arrested for a DUI and that the homeowner was just protecting his home. His sentence was very light.
Olan is right. I've seen it on this board whenever the subject of race comes up. These topics being discussed opens my eyes and forces me to confront some of these issues, uncomfortable as it is.
I've been watching Jay-Z on Letterman's Netflix show (I haven't watched all of it) and Jay-Z, when discussing Trump, said,
"I think that what he's (Trump) forcing people to do is have a conversation and people band together and work together. You can't really address something that's not revealed. He's bringing out an ugly side of America that we wanted to believe was gone. And it's still here, and we've got to deal with it. We have to have the conversation. We have to have tough conversations. We have to talk about the n-word. We have to talk about why white men are so privileged in this country."
In the past, I assumed that there was little *I* could do. After all *I* was not racist, *I* was not discriminating against anyone. But that is not enough. Maybe this is just my personal tipping point or maybe this is a tipping point on a larger scale (I hope so) My kids make me want to do the right thing, set a good example and I want my kids to grow up in a better world. I am a middle-aged white woman and the privileged chair I'm sitting in is not feeling very comfortable.
These topics are uncomfortable. There is most often a reaction by white people of, "Yeah, but..." In May 2017, Oprah's magazine had several articles. Here is a link to what she said which in turn leads to more articles and commentaries.
There are many things that have contributed to *my" tipping point including the treatment of Colin Kaepernick, the shootings of way too many people, this spoken word by Nick Cannon, reading some of the postings on this board and, yes, Olan
I recognized these are uncomfortable conversations that's why I try very hard not to take it personally when people attack me or make personal issues that aren't simply to avoid the real discussion.