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Post by twoboyzmom on May 22, 2018 14:36:25 GMT
It sucks!!!!! My 19 yr old and husband don't get along great...and I'm in the middle. They both do things that I agree with some and not others...but it's at the point of him wanting our son out ,(nothing being done as far as illegal, etc.) I am stuck and hate it Just needed a vent...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 14:38:59 GMT
sorry been there done that...it sucks.... but we are on the other side and it did get better
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 22, 2018 15:43:01 GMT
I'm sorry - you may find their relationship improves dramatically when they're not under the same roof.
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Post by mom on May 22, 2018 15:46:40 GMT
I sm sorry....it does suck. We found that if we (all three of us) set a timeline for DS to move out then it released some of the tension of him being at home. We know there are only 89 days left...DS knows he isn't being booted out as it has been a planned move, and DH knows he is getting his peace and quiet back in 'x' number of days.
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Post by brenda89 on May 22, 2018 15:57:20 GMT
So sorry!! Hope things are worked out soon!!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 16:16:54 GMT
Unfortunately, being in the middle sucks and staying there can often make things worse by letting the two fighting believe they are each in the right.
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Post by twoboyzmom on May 22, 2018 16:55:39 GMT
Unfortunately, being in the middle sucks and staying there can often make things worse by letting the two fighting believe they are each in the right. Yet if I say anything either way I'm either coddling my son or he thinks I hate him. I agree and disagree with things on each side. Son is looking for work, again. Husband thinks he should work for him. Which son hates more than anything, they can't work together. And it's a source of so many fights, I get texts all day one bad mouthing the other...today it was saying "I want him out" I'll admit, hes lazy and has no drive...but...he doesn't do drugs, steal, we usually know where he is...such a torn spot, I feel helpless on both ends and it hurts:(
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 17:00:09 GMT
Yet if I say anything either way I'm either coddling my son or he thinks I hate him. I agree and disagree with things on each side. Son is looking for work, again. Husband thinks he should work for him. Which son hates more than anything, they can't work together. And it's a source of so many fights, I get texts all day one bad mouthing the other...today it was saying "I want him out" I'll admit, hes lazy and has no drive...but...he doesn't do drugs, steal, we usually know where he is...such a torn spot, I feel helpless on both ends and it hurts:( I'm sorry. Can't your DS work for your DH until he finds another job? That might motivate him to find something quicker.
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Post by twoboyzmom on May 22, 2018 17:01:41 GMT
Yet if I say anything either way I'm either coddling my son or he thinks I hate him. I agree and disagree with things on each side. Son is looking for work, again. Husband thinks he should work for him. Which son hates more than anything, they can't work together. And it's a source of so many fights, I get texts all day one bad mouthing the other...today it was saying "I want him out" I'll admit, hes lazy and has no drive...but...he doesn't do drugs, steal, we usually know where he is...such a torn spot, I feel helpless on both ends and it hurts:( I'm sorry. Can't your DS work for your DH until he finds another job? That might motivate him to find something quicker. That's what should happen...he does some days very reluctant and 1/2 ass... and that's what I've told him..if u hate it so much it should push u to find something. He is applying places, no call backs...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 17:11:00 GMT
He is applying places, no call backs... The job market can be extremely tough in certain locations. Your DS has a choice. He can move out or work for DH. Bonus for working for DH is that he'll have income, can still live at home and get the added experience to include in his resume. With that said, if they go down that route, there would have to be ground rules. DS has meet the same performance expectations of any new employee and likewise, DH has to treat him with the same respect and patience he would any new employee. Hopefully, that will appease both sides enough to at least give it a try.
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Post by bc2ca on May 22, 2018 17:16:24 GMT
I'm sorry you are caught in the middle. I do agree with Darcy Collins, things will improve when they aren't under the same roof. Honestly, if DS is being supported by you, he should be working with your DH until he finds another job, IMHO. Nothing more motivating than working with or at something you hate to find yourself another job.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on May 22, 2018 17:20:11 GMT
I hear you. I will be able to write your post in 5 years I am sure...my son is 14. LOL
I live the exact same struggle and it is beyond frustrating and heartbreaking. I feel like if I don't see my husbands side on things he automatically thinks I am defending my son, but in most ways I am really truly trying to see stuff from both sides.
I would say that your son for sure needs to be working full time if he is still living at home (unless he is enrolled in school/college?) but I am sure you feel that as well. I agree that working with your husband would not work out well (couldn't even imagine my son/husband working well together, they can barely do a small job together at home without bickering). If he doesn't want to work for your DH he should be spending a good 6-8 hours looking for work or calling family or friends to see if they have odd jobs that need done. All this is easier said than actually making him do these things.
Also your husband isn't wrong either in the fact that your son is 19...an adult, should be on his own by now. I think tough love is one of the hardest parenting things to do but sometimes is a necessity. I also would stop paying for cell phone, car, insurance, gas money...any of his bills especially if he isn't paying rent to be living at home.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on May 22, 2018 17:28:38 GMT
I will also say that money is a motivator for working. I think often times teens/adults are getting their money elsewhere whether it be parents or social services so then are not motivated to work.
I started working at 14 because I wanted money, my parents didn't pay for brand name clothes or give me an allowance so in order to do extra fun stuff I needed money. I think a lot of people work because they need to not because they want to. Just thinking of course your son doesn't want to work, he will have to be shown that he needs to!
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Post by twoboyzmom on May 22, 2018 17:33:35 GMT
I can't just take phone or car. Then he would never find work or get there (dont live somewhere where he can walk or take cab, etc..)
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Post by bc2ca on May 22, 2018 17:49:24 GMT
I can't just take phone or car. Then he would never find work or get there (dont live somewhere where he can walk or take cab, etc..) You can. You can take him off your phone plan and give him a cheap phone that he can pay as you go so he can still job hunt. It has to be his cost and problem for him to find motivation to change things. When I was his age, I rode my bike or took the bus. My home to school was 10 miles and I preferred to ride because it allowed me to go on my schedule and not deal with transferring buses. I've got a lazy son, too, and believe his only motivation to get a job on his own is the alternative is to work for DH.
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Post by inkedup on May 22, 2018 17:55:58 GMT
I can't just take phone or car. Then he would never find work or get there (dont live somewhere where he can walk or take cab, etc..) Your son is 19. He is not a baby. He is not motivated and you are enabling his laziness. You have an excuse for every solution offered to you.
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Post by mlana on May 22, 2018 17:58:24 GMT
I went thru this with my son.
DS started interning with our company when he was 14. I started paying him a few months later, about $10/hr for jobs where he actually did something, like moving or unpacking computers. I didn't pass these charges on to our customers even though having DS there to handle the manual work decreased the amount they were charged in hourly billing. I increased his pay as he met certain requirements, like certifications, until he was making as much as a seasoned tech by age 18.
As DS learned more and more, he reached the point where he wanted to argue with DH both at work and at home. The first time he did so in front of a customer, DH lost his shit when he got home. When everyone calmed down, we explained to DS that that could not ever happen again and, should it happen, he'd be suspended a week without pay. Of course it happened again and I did exactly what I said I'd do. Life got rough. Even if DS kept his mouth shut on site, he and DH would fight over how things should be done when they got home. DH had to stop and check every piece of work DS did because DS would decide to do it his way, not realizing that his way caused problems in the environment where the machine was going. Each time we found that he had not followed DH's instructions, I decreased his hourly pay or suspended him. Because we were hyper aware of the situation, our customers probably got the best cheapest service ever.
DS very badly wanted to move out but every time he got close to having enough saved, he'd blow everything on junk. He'd come home from his shopping trip defensive and ugly and he and I would go at it. I didn't realize he was taking his self-anger out on his little sister until I overheard him one day. I made him sign over his paycheck to me each pay period after that, giving him an allowance to live on. Within 2 months, he had enough saved to move out. Two months later, his online gf from CA moved across country to live with him.
Things got really sticky at that point. She was a shit stirrer and was constantly telling him how we mistreated him. We were paying him top dollar and paying for him to get all of his certifications. I made him pay for the re-tests after he blew his second chance at a certification and he refused. She egged him on to demand that we pay him what we charged our customers for his time. She had never held a job and had no clue about overhead or recouping investment on training costs. Plus, he was already making more than any local senior techs with degrees and years of experience.
He and DH couldn't be in he same room together without each demanding that I side with them on some truly dumb argument. I hated being in the middle of the two of them and then his gf was doing everything in her power to destroy our relationship. When they decide to move to CA, it was truly a relief.
DS discovered how generous we had been with his pay when he tried to find work in CA. Without the certifications we'd insisted he get, he wouldn't have even gotten his foot in the door. Once he got in, it has taken years for him to make as much per hour as we were paying him. Within three months of being out there, his gf was diagnosed with breast cancer, her third bout with cancer. DS grew up fast. He and DH started talking daily; I was still persona non grata because I had upset his gf when they lived here. I was ok with that-my heart and emotions were still bruised from his behavior.
More than ten years later, things are so much better. He and gf married and we went to the wedding. DS and I talk at least once a week and he has apologized more than once for his behavior. He and DH talk daily, something that my DH really looks forward to. Once or twice they've mentioned working together again and I've nixed that in no uncertain terms. Not going to happen as long as I'm involved or as long as I have to depend on the money they make to survive.
Hope your situation gets better soon.
Marcy
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Post by mandolyn9909 on May 22, 2018 18:12:26 GMT
I went thru this with my son. DS started interning with our company when he was 14. I started paying him a few months later, about $10/hr for jobs where he actually did something, like moving or unpacking computers. I didn't pass these charges on to our customers even though having DS there to handle the manual work decreased the amount they were charged in hourly billing. I increased his pay as he met certain requirements, like certifications, until he was making as much as a seasoned tech by age 18. As DS learned more and more, he reached the point where he wanted to argue with DH both at work and at home. The first time he did so in front of a customer, DH lost his shit when he got home. When everyone calmed down, we explained to DS that that could not ever happen again and, should it happen, he'd be suspended a week without pay. Of course it happened again and I did exactly what I said I'd do. Life got rough. Even if DS kept his mouth shut on site, he and DH would fight over how things should be done when they got home. DH had to stop and check every piece of work DS did because DS would decide to do it his way, not realizing that his way caused problems in the environment where the machine was going. Each time we found that he had not followed DH's instructions, I decreased his hourly pay or suspended him. Because we were hyper aware of the situation, our customers probably got the best cheapest service ever. DS very badly wanted to move out but every time he got close to having enough saved, he'd blow everything on junk. He'd come home from his shopping trip defensive and ugly and he and I would go at it. I didn't realize he was taking his self-anger out on his little sister until I overheard him one day. I made him sign over his paycheck to me each pay period after that, giving him an allowance to live on. Within 2 months, he had enough saved to move out. Two months later, his online gf from CA moved across country to live with him. Things got really sticky at that point. She was a shit stirrer and was constantly telling him how we mistreated him. We were paying him top dollar and paying for him to get all of his certifications. I made him pay for the re-tests after he blew his second chance at a certification and he refused. She egged him on to demand that we pay him what we charged our customers for his time. She had never held a job and had no clue about overhead or recouping investment on training costs. Plus, he was already making more than any local senior techs with degrees and years of experience. He and DH couldn't be in he same room together without each demanding that I side with them on some truly dumb argument. I hated being in the middle of the two of them and then his gf was doing everything in her power to destroy our relationship. When they decide to move to CA, it was truly a relief. DS discovered how generous we had been with his pay when he tried to find work in CA. Without the certifications we'd insisted he get, he wouldn't have even gotten his foot in the door. Once he got in, it has taken years for him to make as much per hour as we were paying him. Within three months of being out there, his gf was diagnosed with breast cancer, her third bout with cancer. DS grew up fast. He and DH started talking daily; I was still persona non grata because I had upset his gf when they lived here. I was ok with that-my heart and emotions were still bruised from his behavior. More than ten years later, things are so much better. He and gf married and we went to the wedding. DS and I talk at least once a week and he has apologized more than once for his behavior. He and DH talk daily, something that my DH really looks forward to. Once or twice they've mentioned working together again and I've nixed that in no uncertain terms. Not going to happen as long as I'm involved or as long as I have to depend on the money they make to survive. Hope your situation gets better soon. Marcy Thank you for sharing your story. It gives me hope for my son and husband years from now. We live on a farm so I have told my son that it feels like having two roosters in the house.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 22, 2018 18:19:35 GMT
I can't just take phone or car. Then he would never find work or get there (dont live somewhere where he can walk or take cab, etc..) I know a handful of messages don't convey the whole story, but I'll be honest - this has red flags all over it. You should take some time to see how you're enabling his lazy, no drive (as you described it) behavior. I suspect he has a pretty good gig there at home and little incentive to make it on his own. I also suspect he does more than a little of pitting you and your husband against each other. I'd sit down when you're both calm and make a plan with your husband on how best to launch him out of the nest. Best of luck.
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