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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 14:32:34 GMT
Hello, everyone! It seems our first thread has run its course, and it was time to try a reboot. This thread is for those with a more conservative approach to their politics, the title being a mash-up of REpublican, CONservative, and liberTARIAN, not in order, with a nod to being told to play in our own sandbox. There are no rules (there never were) but some caveats: If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute. If you believe that not opposing the president or this administration at every turn equates to being cool with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., it’s probably best not to contribute. Anyone can post here, obviously, but this is not the place for those with opposing views to grill conservatives and demand that they defend every word of every post ad naseum. If you see that as us not wanting to be challenged on our views, it’s probably best not to contribute, and you can complain about that in every other thread you like. As for those who do post here, remember you can ignore any of the above should it occur. Put people on ignore, scroll, whatever. As always, just because I’m refreshing this thread, I don’t own it, I will participate sporadically, I may or may not share all the views expressed within it, and I don’t intend to police it. So now here is a piece I read this morning at National Review to get us started. I think it describes perfectly what I’d like to see this thread be about. www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/conservatives-must-argue-about-ideas-not-trump/Play nice and have fun! |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 3, 2018 14:53:38 GMT
Thanks for posting this. I hope that people show restraint and abide by the suggestions in your OP and keep their negativity out.
That article makes some excellent points.
I think the other problem, although he doesn't mention it, is there is no "one-size-fits-all" Conservative and attempts to try to create a hard and fast definition or set of beliefs will fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 15:21:42 GMT
That stood out to me, too @notlauren. The president, naturally, becomes the face of the party, but people tend to forget no party runs in lock-step with the leader. I also liked this paragraph:
But we forget that the conservative movement’s strength came from the fact that it was armed with new arguments from diverse intellectual sources. More important, its vigor stemmed from the fact that these various strains of conservatives were eager to argue among themselves. There are arguments aplenty on the right these days, but the vast majority of them are arguments over a specific personality — Donald Trump — not a body of ideas. And to the extent that there are arguments about ideas, they tend to be subsumed into the larger imperative to attack or defend Trump.
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Post by bazinga on Jun 3, 2018 16:25:28 GMT
Thank you for starting a new thread. I don't understand why some liberals came on the other one just to be nasty, or why conservatives didn't ignore them. A large part of my job is teaching appropriate behavior and it's very frustrating when I see adults behaving inappropriately.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2018 16:34:27 GMT
Thank you for changing the title. I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Hopefully this will be a more welcoming place to discuss conservative issues.
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Post by gale w on Jun 3, 2018 17:00:19 GMT
Thank you for starting a new thread. I don't understand why some liberals came on the other one just to be nasty, or why conservatives didn't ignore them. A large part of my job is teaching appropriate behavior and it's very frustrating when I see adults behaving inappropriately. Ignoring them wasn't the problem for me. It was weeding through the posts (sometimes very long ones) to determine which ones to ignore and which ones to read. That's a lot of scrolling on a phone. |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 17:05:52 GMT
Since the conservatives on the board have always been extremely pro-constitution, I’m interested in your thought/opinions on the 20 page letter, Trumps team sent to Muller, The NY Times is reporting on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 17:42:18 GMT
Since the conservatives on the board have always been extremely pro-constitution, I’m interested in your thought/opinions on the 20 page letter, Trumps team sent to Muller, The NY Times is reporting on. Are you not extremely pro-constitution? What do you think of the letter? (a quick scan of your recent political posts shows that this may not be the thread for you as you appear to hold a dim view of the more conservative types -- "morons" seems to be a favored descriptor of yours -- and that should make anyone here leery of engaging with you) |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 17:46:18 GMT
If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute. I am verklempt!  |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 17:58:01 GMT
Since the conservatives on the board have always been extremely pro-constitution, I’m interested in your thought/opinions on the 20 page letter, Trumps team sent to Muller, The NY Times is reporting on. Are you not extremely pro-constitution? What do you think of the letter? (a quick scan of your recent political posts shows that this may not be the thread for you as you appear to hold a dim view of the more conservative types -- "morons" seems to be a favored descriptor of yours -- and that should make anyone here leery of engaging with you) Yes my post history is readily available for everyone to check on. My post was not an attack and I didn’t insult anyone, just asked a question. My opinion of the letter is that it approaches a very scary level of dictatorship. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 17:59:50 GMT
I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Wow. Did you say a lot right there. In so many ways, the Republican party is a disappointment for those of us who are just basically conservative libertarians. (Which is basically what best describes me.) Why should I be saddled with being accountable here for all of their behavior when it is contrary to what I want and/or vote for? Meanwhile.... back in the real world where liberals are allowed to say things on air that would have had them facing enormous fines just a few years ago, all is forgiven as long as one claims responsibility (You just have to claim it. I'm looking at you, Hillary. You don't actually have to take it.) And now, you can add that you have evolved or are evolving and you become untouchable. Waiting on pins and needles here to see what new appendage Joy Reid is growing.  The double standard is too obvious to be seen, apparently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 18:01:42 GMT
Hello, everyone! It seems our first thread has run its course, and it was time to try a reboot. This thread is for those with a more conservative approach to their politics, the title being a mash-up of REpublican, CONservative, and liberTARIAN, not in order, with a nod to being told to play in our own sandbox. There are no rules (there never were) but some caveats: If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute. If you believe that not opposing the president or this administration at every turn equates to being cool with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., it’s probably best not to contribute. Anyone can post here, obviously, but this is not the place for those with opposing views to grill conservatives and demand that they defend every word of every post ad naseum. If you see that as us not wanting to be challenged on our views, it’s probably best not to contribute, and you can complain about that in every other thread you like. As for those who do post here, remember you can ignore any of the above should it occur. Put people on ignore, scroll, whatever. As always, just because I’m refreshing this thread, I don’t own it, I will participate sporadically, I may or may not share all the views expressed within it, and I don’t intend to police it. So now here is a piece I read this morning at National Review to get us started. I think it describes perfectly what I’d like to see this thread be about. www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/conservatives-must-argue-about-ideas-not-trump/Play nice and have fun!Love the bolded part!  Thanks!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 18:02:26 GMT
I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Wow. Did you say a lot right there. In so many ways, the Republican party is a disappointment for those of us who are just basically conservative libertarians. (Which is basically what best describes me.)Why should I be saddled with being accountable here for all of their behavior when it is contrary to what I want and/or vote for?Meanwhile.... back in the real world where liberals are allowed to say things on air that would have had them facing enormous fines just a few years ago, all is forgiven as long as one claims responsibility (You just have to claim it. I'm looking at you, Hillary. You don't actually have to take it.) And now, you can add that you have evolved or are evolving and you become untouchable. Waiting on pins and needles here to see what new appendage Joy Reid is growing. The double standard is too obvious to be seen, apparently. Yes and yes! |
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 3, 2018 18:04:16 GMT
Are you not extremely pro-constitution? What do you think of the letter? (a quick scan of your recent political posts shows that this may not be the thread for you as you appear to hold a dim view of the more conservative types -- "morons" seems to be a favored descriptor of yours -- and that should make anyone here leery of engaging with you) Yes my post history is readily available for everyone to check on. My post was not an attack and I didn’t insult anyone, just asked a question. My opinion of the letter is that it approaches a very scary level of dictatorship. I am pro constitution, I don’t call conservatives morons, I am a liberal married to a conservative, I agree the letter is scary, an incorrect interpretation of the constitution and just more reason to believe that Trump is very worried and has reason to be. Now what do you think? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 18:05:51 GMT
Thank you for changing the title. I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Hopefully this will be a more welcoming place to discuss conservative issues. I'm sorry you felt unwelcome in the other thread. We welcome your input!! Even though many of us ARE Republican, many of us didn't vote for the current administration, but still remain conservative! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 18:15:59 GMT
The letter doesn't scare or worry me. I think it's just one way to interpret the Constitution (I have not refreshed on the particular parts of it to which this applies, and I'm probably not going to at this time, so I couldn't say whether I agree with it or not) but mostly, I think it's a lot of "lawyering." Because it is still operating under the confines of the Constitution, however, I don't believe it comes close to smacking of a dictatorship. Defining, redefining, or clarifying presidential powers isn't the same as abusing or exercising them improperly. It's a letter between lawyers that is now, unfortunately, been made public fodder.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 18:16:17 GMT
Yes my post history is readily available for everyone to check on. My post was not an attack and I didn’t insult anyone, just asked a question. My opinion of the letter is that it approaches a very scary level of dictatorship. I am pro constitution, I don’t call conservatives morons, I am a liberal married to a conservative, I agree the letter is scary, an incorrect interpretation of the constitution and just more reason to believe that Trump is very worried and has reason to be. Now what do you think? As I said the letter approaches a very scary level of dictatorship. Honestly, not surprised at the letter in the sense that Trump thinks he is part of a mafia family and that’s how he’s running the country. Frightened that the checks and balances of this country are nonexistent at the moment. I’m completely mouth hung open WTF confused as to why Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel and other prominent Republicans are turning a blind eye to a president they can’t stand. And wondering, what dirty Trump has on them to make them disregard the constitution. |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 18:17:11 GMT
The letter doesn't scare or worry me. I think it's just one way to interpret the Constitution (I have not refreshed on the particular parts of it to which this applies, and I'm probably not going to at this time, so I couldn't say whether I agree with it or not) but mostly, I think it's a lot of "lawyering." Because it is still operating under the confines of the Constitution, however, I don't believe it comes close to smacking of a dictatorship. Defining, redefining, or clarifying presidential powers isn't the same as abusing or exercising them improperly. It's a letter between lawyers that is now, unfortunately, been made public fodder. Thanks for responding. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2018 18:24:57 GMT
Thank you for changing the title. I felt unwelcome as a conservative on the last thread as it was mostly republican issues and not conservative ones. Hopefully this will be a more welcoming place to discuss conservative issues. I'm sorry you felt unwelcome in the other thread. We welcome your input!! Even though many of us ARE Republican, many of us didn't vote for the current administration, but still remain conservative! I’m sorry you felt unwelcome in the conservative thread! I hope you like this thread better I’m not registered with any party and vote all over. I just enjoy the more happy, relaxed and less angry feel of the conservative peas I don’t feel like they are in attack mode if I don’t express myself in the right way or the acceptable way. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 18:39:33 GMT
Honestly, not surprised at the letter in the sense that Trump thinks he is part of a mafia family and that’s how he’s running the country I haven't read it. Don't know when I'll have a chance to, so I can't comment on it. But this is exactly what we have time and time and time and time asked people not to do on these particularly set-apart threads. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2018 18:42:42 GMT
I’m not registered with any party Me either. |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 18:45:43 GMT
Honestly, not surprised at the letter in the sense that Trump thinks he is part of a mafia family and that’s how he’s running the country I haven't read it. Don't know when I'll have a chance to, so I can't comment on it. But this is exactly what we have time and time and time and time asked people not to do on these particularly set-apart threads. Did you miss the part where I was specifically asked “what do you think” or this |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 19:00:31 GMT
The letter doesn't scare or worry me. I think it's just one way to interpret the Constitution (I have not refreshed on the particular parts of it to which this applies, and I'm probably not going to at this time, so I couldn't say whether I agree with it or not) but mostly, I think it's a lot of "lawyering." Because it is still operating under the confines of the Constitution, however, I don't believe it comes close to smacking of a dictatorship. Defining, redefining, or clarifying presidential powers isn't the same as abusing or exercising them improperly. It's a letter between lawyers that is now, unfortunately, been made public fodder. This is exactly how I feel. This stuff gets put out in the public and all of the pundits kick into overdrive, coverage becomes obsessive, etc. Trump STILL hasn't fired Mueller, Rosenstein, and the investigation is still ongoing. I just don't get worked up over every.single.thing.
I feel the same about whether Trump would/should willingly go before Mueller. The lawyers are doing what they get paid big bucks for. The "if Trump has nothing to hide he'd testify" is an easy way for the pundits/journalists to put out the suggestion of guilt, and I totally disagree.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 3, 2018 19:08:00 GMT
I haven't read it. Don't know when I'll have a chance to, so I can't comment on it. But this is exactly what we have time and time and time and time asked people not to do on these particularly set-apart threads. Did you miss the part where I was specifically asked “what do you think” or this Trying to fix bizzarre quote problem - will delete other post if this works: Yes we know that you want to know what we think of whatever incendiary thing Trump is currently doing. If we were interested in commenting, we would have no issue joining the Trump outrage thread. This thread is annoying not because liberals would like to participate. It's annoying because liberals come here demanding to know what we think of Trump - ready to attack our lack of Trump outrage. This isn't the Trump thread. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand. I have no trouble understanding the preoccupation with Trump. I do have trouble understanding the inability to discuss ANYTHING political without Trump's latest tweet or history of bad behavior being brought into the discussion and being bombarded with continued demand for our outrage. ETA - and I'm not even a particularly good conservative or libertarian - let alone Republican. I don't fit in any box and I think there's been more than one incident of a conservative pea calling me out as a RINO - which I'm also not as I'm not a Republican. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 3, 2018 19:12:29 GMT
In actual NEWS, there has been a law passed which the president will sign that makes freezing your credit with the 3 credit bureaus FREE!! It was already free when we did ours ~ not really sure why ~ but now it is free for everyone. Thawing it is also free!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 3, 2018 19:19:35 GMT
As an aside - I'd also greatly appreciate not seeing Hillary on this thread. I do not care why you hate her or did or didn't vote for her. If you find yourself needing to bring up Hillary, most likely you're engaged in a fruitless discussion with someone and are much better off scrolling on by.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 3, 2018 19:20:38 GMT
In actual NEWS, there has been a law passed which the president will sign that makes freezing your credit with the 3 credit bureaus FREE!! It was already free when we did ours ~ not really sure why ~ but now it is free for everyone. Thawing it is also free! Ours was free when we did ours as well. I think it's always been free if you've been a victim of identity theft. It's great that people can now freeze BEFORE there's a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 19:23:31 GMT
pinklady, to be fair, I re-started this thread with an article specifically titled "Conservatives Must Argue About Ideas, Not Trump" because we, who have a more conservative political outlook, are so often called to defend Trump. And there you come right off the bat asking us to do that very thing. I went ahead and answered your question ultimately, but it shouldn't be surprising to feel a push-back from the others here. It will also be futile to argue about it (for everyone.) cadoodlebug, that IS great news!
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Post by hop2 on Jun 3, 2018 19:27:53 GMT
In actual NEWS, there has been a law passed which the president will sign that makes freezing your credit with the 3 credit bureaus FREE!! It was already free when we did ours ~ not really sure why ~ but now it is free for everyone. Thawing it is also free! Ours was free when we did ours as well. I think it's always been free if you've been a victim of identity theft. It's great that people can now freeze BEFORE there's a problem. freezing has been free but the unfreezing has not, so this is a big step in the right direction. |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 3, 2018 19:32:02 GMT
pinklady , to be fair, I re-started this thread with an article specifically titled "Conservatives Must Argue About Ideas, Not Trump" because we, who have a more conservative political outlook, are so often called to defend Trump. And there you come right off the bat asking us to do that very thing. I went ahead and answered your question ultimately, but it shouldn't be surprising to feel a push-back from the others here. It will also be futile to argue about it (for everyone.) cadoodlebug , that IS great news! I was interested in hearing the thoughts on the letter and it’s interpretation of the constitution since most of the conservative peas are so pro-word for word constitutionists. I didn’t ask anyone to defend Trump, didn’t demand anything, didn’t insult anyone, didn’t attack anyone. Clearly you, general you, aren’t interested. Got it so I’m out. |
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