iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Jun 25, 2018 16:06:16 GMT
either part time or for the summer?
Either to save for college/car or earn spending money or put towards some of their expenses (cell phone, etc)?
This is assuming they are healthy and fully capable of working. And also that you are not so well off that you can fully fund these things without any hesitation.
This has been a topic in our household lately in regards to a teen family member (not our teen).
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psiluvu
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Post by psiluvu on Jun 25, 2018 16:11:36 GMT
Well off or not I would expect kids to be working full time in the summer by 16. Ds is 15 this year and is umpiring, cutting grass for a few neighbors and watching a friends son for a few hours a day for a few weeks, so not full time but not doing nothing either.
DD (18) has been working/volunteering full time since the summer between grade 8 and 9. She is at a sports and science day camp. She spent a summer volunteering and then it turned into a fulltime job as a counsellor and this summer she is the science programmer.
If my teens chose not to work due to their own laziness they would not see one cent from me.
ETA - DD managed to play competitive hockey, get straight A's and a very nice scholarship and a few bursaries to university all while working part time during the school year and full time during the summer.
Ds is not as focused on school and marks but that would be the same whether he was working or not, so he works.
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 25, 2018 16:13:43 GMT
Funny. This came up with DH and I this weekend. DS, who has autism and is high functioning, is 15yo. I said to DH that I think we should expect him to work part time next summer. This summer, to prepare him for this, he will be "working" for me. It'll be more chore based as I work during the day but he will have to accomplish certain chores each day. Some are smaller than others. Over the weekend he is expected to help me clean out the basement....that's more a Saturday thing as by Sunday I need a friggin day of rest.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 25, 2018 16:16:20 GMT
It depends on what else the teen does.
IMO, school is a teen’s full time job and he should concentrate on that.
If he is busy with AP/GT classes, gets all As, and is involved in extra curriculars, then I don’t expect him to have a job while in high school. When I was in HS I was the valedictorian, dance captain, academic decathlon president type. I couldn’t have achieved everything I did if I had had to get a job. But my achievements led to numerous college scholarships.
If a teen is not that involved at school, my expectations would adjust accordingly.
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Post by teacherlisa on Jun 25, 2018 16:17:25 GMT
I did not "require" my teens to work, however both of them chose to. I had a rule both during school and during summer that you had to be in an extra curricular activity or have a job-pick one. Idle hands are the devils workshop and all that good stuff. If my teen chose to be lazy and refused to get involved in an activity or get a job-life would have become unpleasant for them
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Post by annie on Jun 25, 2018 16:19:33 GMT
My kids started when they turned 16. They wanted more spending money than I could afford to give them. They also needed to save to buy themselves a car. Working was/is great for them. Teaches them a lot of responsibility and how to deal with people. Sitting around and doing nothing at that age doesn't make sense to me.
ETA: My kids are tops in their respective classes, so they juggle a lot of academic demands. We limit their work hours during the school year, but over the summer they get a lot of hours, which they like.
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Post by colleen on Jun 25, 2018 16:26:07 GMT
Disclaimer: every child/family is different. That said, ds started working the summer he turned 16 and was expected to keep that up through college and/or a full=time job. We didn't expect him to work during school as long as he maintained very good grades and extra curricular activities. We funded college (he also had a few scholarships and he got 10 percent of that in cash from us) but he had to pay for everything that wasn't tuition, books, food, or room.
Ds is a golfer, so he worked at the local country club. He got to play golf for free and it did this mother's heart good to see him drag his butt out of bed to be at work at 5:30 am. He wound up keeping that job all the way through high school and college.
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bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Jun 25, 2018 16:31:48 GMT
I would say 16, but the expectation or training toward that would begin earlier. We're looking at this right now as DD only has one more summer (between 7th and 8th grade) where there is structured care for her. After that, she's on her own , summer before HS she'll be 14. So she can't drive but there's no care either. I'm looking ahead to what the expectations are going to be and one of the choices is going to be Junior life guard training. I have not looked into it, but I believe it's structured so that they take the training before 16 so when they're old enough to work they can come in as a life guard. As she's not at that point yet I haven't looked into it all that closely.
During the year, I'd expect her to take on something like babysitting but it's going to be a fine line as she pushes herself and has anxiety. I don't want her to think she has to balance all of it at once
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Post by jumperhop on Jun 25, 2018 16:33:34 GMT
We always seem to have a lot going on in the summer so I feel like an employer wouldn’t be willing to work around our schedule. Jen
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 25, 2018 16:33:39 GMT
For us it was different for each teen, based on schedule, other activities. I don’t think there is one right answer for each kid and/ or family.
Ds started working part time at age 16. Dd is 18 and just started applying for a summer job.
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anniebeth24
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Post by anniebeth24 on Jun 25, 2018 16:38:09 GMT
We offered to pay half of our kids' first cars and they started saving toward that with summer jobs after freshman year. All income was saved and we covered their miscellaneous needs.
After their cars were purchased during junior year, their income was directed toward college savings. We would pay tuition and room/board, but all other expenses and fun money were theirs to cover.
We didn't have to require jobs for them, but they wouldn't have a car or spending money without choosing to work.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 25, 2018 16:39:30 GMT
With my kids and their friends, very few were able to find jobs until they were 17 unless they worked in a family business. Some did pick up a little money babysitting or pet sitting.
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Post by gar on Jun 25, 2018 16:40:35 GMT
For us it was when they started wanting money for extra clothes, socialising, make up etc etc. We funded to a degree but they were expected to contribute from about 16.
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Post by Laurie on Jun 25, 2018 16:42:09 GMT
This has been a discussion in our house lately. My 15 year old dd is begging to be able to get a job. However, there isn't anywhere in our town of 800 to work so she would have to drive about 45 miles. Dh and I are in agreement that we 1) don't want her driving that far alone yet, 2) time she pays for gas and taxes she won't be making much and 3) we don't want our schedule for the weekends to be determined by her job.
However, both dh and I started working when I was 14.
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Post by kelbel827 on Jun 25, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
I started working at 14. I didn't make my son work at all since he was in school. Same for college. He has the rest of his life to work. I wanted him to enjoy summer. If he really wanted a job,he could get one.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 25, 2018 16:45:47 GMT
Well we expected them to probably start looking around 16 but it was pretty hard at that time to find any jobs for a teen, right smack dab in the recession. But my daughter found something pretty fast. DS though never had an interest in working and he never needed much money.. He did some side stuff for a real estate friend which gave him his spending money. He joined the AF right out of high school. So that said he basically was a low key kid that just got by on some side stuff and then totally on his own when he joined the AF, he left 3 months after graduating.
We didn't buy them cars (they both are within 14 months of each other) but when I got a new one, the older one was passed down to them to drive. A 1996 Honda Civic I think. Good 2nd car and no money out of pocket to get it. They paid the gas and upkeep and we paid the insurance. When they bought their own cars, everything to do with their own cars at that point passed onto them, insurance, upkeep, payments, etc.
Edited to add... They had to maintain grades and extras. DD was honor roll student and JV and V volleyball... DS again was not into anything at school.. he made good grades but didn't have much school activities.. just wasn't into it. DS did more at home, mowing the lawn and such. Helped DH with cars as well.
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Post by Linda on Jun 25, 2018 16:48:23 GMT
our circumstances are a bit different than the average American family - we're rural, I don't drive, and there is no public transportation, very few neighbours (and not the type that hire out work), and no businesses within walking distance (and the roads aren't really safe for biking).
My oldest got his first job as he graduated high school - he worked for the same company DH did so could ride with him (summer internship). He did get his license shortly after starting work.
My middle plans to get her first job once she goes to college in August. She's not driving yet and DH's company has discontinued the summer internships. I would have preferred her to work this summer but the reality is that it's not very practical without a license.
Hopefully DD11 will get her license somewhat earlier than her siblings and will be able to work summers a bit earlier as well. We'll see.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 25, 2018 16:49:38 GMT
My parents weren't well off at all, but paid my insurance and gas through high school, and my insurance through college.
I worked a job my junior year in high school (didn't turn 16 until the summer before that year) and then worked 2 jobs my senior year. That money was all banked and saved, other than my spending money, which really wasn't much.
My brother was mowing lawns at 14 and making more money than I was.
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Post by busy on Jun 25, 2018 16:51:08 GMT
My son's still way too young, but we probably won't expect him to work at all while still in high school. We'll have high expectations re: school performance and involvement in activities, but as long as those are met, those will be his job. Summers during college will probably be internships, which may or may not be paid.
I didn't have my first job until the summer after freshman year in college and it was hard to find a summer-only job even back then. I can't imagine it's easier now.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 25, 2018 17:00:01 GMT
I'd love for ds17 (today) to have a summer job, he'd like one too, but it's just not realistic. Between basketball training, football training (he hasn't decided yet if he's actually playing), a couple basketball camps and a couple of family vacations I'm not sure exactly when he'd be able to work and I can't imaging any employer willing to work around his crazy schedule. So for now his job is school and the extracurriculars that come with it. We have some projects around here that dh said he'd pay him for so he can have some pocket money (we cover his insurance as long as he keeps his grades up and a reasonable amount of gas).
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Post by huskermom98 on Jun 25, 2018 17:05:23 GMT
Our 13yo mows yards already, but a real job would be nice when he turns 16. Not sure how realistic that will be because he loves baseball and here in Iowa, high school baseball is played during the summer (and at all times during the week).
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 25, 2018 17:05:58 GMT
I started working at 14. I didn't make my son work at all since he was in school. Same for college. He has the rest of his life to work. I wanted him to enjoy summer. If he really wanted a job,he could get one. Basically that.
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Jun 25, 2018 17:11:47 GMT
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, everyone is different and location and the economy influences things also. In this case no summer activities, easy walking distance to many places that hire teens etc. Teen could use the money, parents are able to provide the basics and a few small extras but that's it.
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Post by twistedscissors on Jun 25, 2018 17:14:56 GMT
My DD is 16 and job hunting now. She got her license in May and I provide a car for her. When she gets a job I have asked for her to pay for her gas and $40/week toward her insurance and car payment. I will pay the rest. She’s had a little over a month free pass since she hasn’t found a job. But right now I’m limiting her driving some because she’s not gonna run around all day and me foot the bill.
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Jun 25, 2018 17:16:26 GMT
I will add that my dd just turned 18 and just got a job. But she has numerous chronic health issues that have been really bad the last few years to the point that she ended up doing online reduced day school and/or homebound. The last few months we finally seem to have it all under control *knock wood*. However even before her online classes had ended she was talking about getting a job and where she could reasonably walk/bike to even if she wasn't feeling 100%. She had a few ideas and I ran across one on FB and sent it to her and called them almost immediately and had an interview and was hired a couple of days later.
Now who knows if her health will hold up but we are hoping. So far she enjoys it and is liking the responsibility, getting out and earning some spending money. We give her plenty as until now she hasn't been able to earn any but she likes not having to ask etc.
ETA-so far dh and I have been able to drive her to work/pick up but depending on her schedule and ours, we won't always be able to do so.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2018 17:17:12 GMT
DS got his first job after he graduated from high school. His jobs during school were school and sports and those kept him plenty busy.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 25, 2018 17:51:53 GMT
My son is 28 now, but he decided at 15 that he needed a job. By the time he was 15 1/2 he convinced the local high end grocery store to hire him for bagging (they usually wait till age 16). After that he convince Starbucks to also hire him young. He's never not worked since then, even through his rigorous high school and college class schedules.
I started work when when I was 15, working retail (mid 70's). I also worked part time at my dads accounting business beginning at age 12 doing simple extensions and adding machine (yes...the olden days) work for I think it was $1.10 an hour.
Personally I think working these menial types of jobs helps instill a great work ethic.
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Post by teach4u on Jun 25, 2018 18:12:03 GMT
Junior year. Part time summer and a few hours a week. DD works at Panera and loves it.
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Post by pjynx on Jun 25, 2018 18:26:55 GMT
Didn't matter if we are well-off enough to foot the cost of all her "extras" or not. We made her start looking when she turned 16 (summer after sophomore year). But because of planned family vacations, golf-team practice, and her not having a license yet, she didn't find anything until that fall. There were several reasons we wanted her to work: to give her experience of time-management; learning the value of money earned; forcing her to do *something* other than watch netflix all evening (she had no extra-curricular activities other than fall golf); and to help her deal with social anxiety. She worked approx 15-20 hours a week during the school year & more the following summer and that was perfect.
Pam
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 25, 2018 18:34:42 GMT
When she wants more spending money than I am willing to provide.
DD is 15, but she is pretty busy, even during the summer, so I don't feel I need to get her out of the house or anything. The soonest she will have a driver's license is July of next year, so that would be the soonest, assuming that finding something that fits with my schedule to drive her would be difficult. She volunteers 3-4 days a week during the summer, so giving that up is a consideration as well.
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