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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 16, 2018 18:30:36 GMT
After this, you’ll likely see a wave of blue come November. God, I hope so... but no one in my office is even TALKING about the fact that this event even occurred, let alone what they talked ABOUT. Which scares me. Do [ordinary, not hyper-aware like we are] people really care that little for the integrity of our democratic process?? I think that unless/until something is directly affecting them, they don't care. They don't have the abilty or desire to see the big picture. Why is it that only one conservative has posted anything about this?
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 18:31:51 GMT
God, I hope so... but no one in my office is even TALKING about the fact that this event even occurred, let alone what they talked ABOUT. Which scares me. Do [ordinary, not hyper-aware like we are] people really care that little for the integrity of our democratic process?? I think that unless/until something is directly affecting them, they don't care. They don't have the abilty or desire to see the big picture. Why is it that only one conservative has posted anything about this? Because they're having to face the fact that the president they've supported is a traitor to the country. How to spin that? Oh, I know - it's Obama's fault! Or it's all our fault, for having such a shitty candidate. The Democrats made them support a treasonous idiot. Anything to avoid taking responsibility for what they've done. They will sell this country entirely to the Russians before admitting that Trump is a traitor and a fool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:37:03 GMT
I feel bad for the spouses/significant others of the right haters here that voted for Trump. It must be really hard for them to get up every day knowing their spouse looks at them filled with hate and despises them for voting for Trump. I, on the other hand, am good to go. I didn't vote for Trump. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by LeaP on Jul 16, 2018 18:38:45 GMT
I will go to my grave believing that Trump and his whole damn administration are traitors. And a good many of the GOP too. I think Putin has dirt on a good many of them. I hope Mueller starts releasing info and charging them ASAP. Even then the Trump cult is a lost cause. I would bet if he had actual video of collusion/conspiracy they would still deny what they see with their own eyes. Even when trumps lies are right in front of their face they still make excuses. I'm so angry,sad and now scared of what Trump and the GOP will scramble to achieve before the hammer falls on them. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg) I agree and it makes me so sad. I feel unhinged rage when they trash war heroes, FBI and so on. It's ironic because I've always been a lefty/liberal and thought that my pigeon hole was of the barely patriotic ilk. SaveSave
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 18:44:58 GMT
I feel bad for the spouses/significant others of the right haters here that voted for Trump. It must be really hard for them to get up every day knowing their spouse looks at them filled with hate and despises them for voting for Trump. I, on the other hand, am good to go. I didn't vote for Trump. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Sure, Gia. Deflect away. Where are those examples of Obama apologizing to foreign powers you were going to show me?
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jul 16, 2018 18:49:06 GMT
I feel bad for the spouses/significant others of the right haters here that voted for Trump. It must be really hard for them to get up every day knowing their spouse looks at them filled with hate and despises them for voting for Trump. I, on the other hand, am good to go. I didn't vote for Trump. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/1ube10l4xArN6/giphy.gif)
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Post by Just T on Jul 16, 2018 18:51:21 GMT
What I don't get is how can Trump not realize that by meeting with Putin completely alone, with no one to back up what he says they talked about in their meeting, that he is only fueling the fire and ensuring that people continue to think he colluded with the Russians? On practically a daily basis, he calls the investigation a witch hunt, says repeatedly there was NO collusion, etc. Wouldn't you think he would want to have his meeting with Putin be transparent so there wouldn't be the questions and worries there are now? Or to have some kind of "proof" that there is no collusion?
And I think someone else already mentioned this, but isn't there anyone who could have said, "Oh hell NO you aren't meeting with him by yourself!" and gone with him? Isn't that typically the Secretary of State's JOB?
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Post by andreasmom on Jul 16, 2018 18:54:49 GMT
I am flabbergasted. Russia and NK are friends and the EU is a foe? And this is ok with GOP? When will we put country over party? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:55:39 GMT
Actually, the more I think about it, it must be an even worse eye-opening revelation for those that actually married a Trump voter.
How do the conversations around the dinner table go? Do y'all call them traitors?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 16, 2018 19:24:36 GMT
Chait from NY Magazine sums it up nicely:
“Standing next to Vladimir Putin, after a meeting Putin had requested, President Trump was asked by a reporter if he believed the findings of his own intelligence agencies that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. He began by floating unfounded accusations that the FBI had ignored his opponent’s misdeeds. Then he proceeded to express his doubts. “All I can do is ask the question,” said Trump. “My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I’ll say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be.”
Trump told the world he trusts the denial of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin — the very man who did the deed! — over his own government’s intelligence. Trump can’t think of a reason why Putin would have interfered in the election. The fact that Russia has interfered in multiple elections, the fact its propaganda arm had broadcast its preference for Trump, the fact American intelligence concluded Russia intervened, that Robert Mueller has produced multiple indictments detailing evidence of this interference, all mean less to him than Putin’s say-so. Putin admitted at this press conference he wanted Trump to win.
My recent story argues that we have underestimated the possibility that the Russia scandal is much worse than it looks, that the depth and extent of the president’s covert ties to Russia might run deeper and longer than many people expect. Even for those of us harboring serious suspicions about this, Trump’s performance in Helsinki was stunning. I expected some artifice, some superficial gestures of Trumpian independence, perhaps some finger-wagging for show at Russia’s naughty behavior, and assurances it would not recur. What transpired instead was far worse, and far more blatant. Trump is engaged in an act of open betrayal against his own country.
In the run-up to the press conference, Trump made a series of staggering comments. He congratulated Putin for the brilliant success of hosting the World Cup, ignoring the corruption that enabled Russia to pull off this coup. Asked by a reporter to name America’s greatest foe, he named the European Union. Even more incredibly, he blamed hostility between the United States and Russia on the United States:
This tweet set the predicate for one of the most revealing questions at the press conference. “Do you hold Russia at all accountable for anything in particular? And if so, what would you — what would you consider them — that they are responsible for?,” asked a reporter. In response to this, Trump did not mention any of the following: Russian encroachments on Georgia; Ukraine; the hacking of Democratic Party emails; repeated murder attempts on foreign soil, or the missile attack on Malaysian Airlines. Instead he insisted, “I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we’ve all been foolish.” He then started to denounce the Mueller probe as “a disaster for our country.”
In his characteristically trollish fashion, Putin offered to let American investigators interview some suspects in Russia in return for letting Russian investigators come to the United States to interview Bill Browder, a dissident Russian expatriot. Putin’s presumption either that Browder’s alleged financial crime (tax evasion) is equivalent to Russia’s theft of American emails, or that such a trade could somehow advance the cause of legitimate justice, is a sick joke.
Trump, incredibly, lavished praise upon this offer. “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today, and what he did is an incredible offer,” he gushed. “He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer.” This is not an “incredible offer.” It is a transparent ploy to simultaneously undermine the Mueller probe while extending the tentacles of Putin’s murderous plutocracy onto American soil.
The display was so unsettling and over-the-top that even some of the most paranoid observers were left staggered. John Brennan, the former CIA director, called Trump “wholly in the pocket of Putin.” As I noted in my story, Brennan has previously said that Putin possesses some secret leverage over the president. It is very strange that it’s considered a “conspiracy theory” to think the CIA director, who had access to a wide array of counterintelligence sources, might know what he’s talking about.
Asked by a reporter if he holds any compromising information on Trump or his family, Putin gave a transparently disingenuous denial. “When Trump was in Moscow back then, I didn’t even know that he was there,” he said. “I treat him with utmost respect, but back then when he was private person, a businessman, nobody informed me.” No Russia expert would give this any credence. Russian intelligence keeps close track of foreign visitors, and does not care a whit about their “privacy.” We don’t know whether Trump engaged in any behavior that could be used as blackmail leverage during his trip, but the idea that Russia would not have bothered to collect it is fanciful.
Possibly the most damning admission was one Trump made in his prepared remarks. Trump noted that he put his own standing at risk by accepting Putin’s offer of a meeting. “Nothing would be easier politically than to refuse to meet,” he said.
For all Trump’s lies, here was one truth. It is why nobody in his administration except Trump wanted to attend the meeting at all. And it has been vindicated by the sour response his performance received from his usually-slavish partisan following back home. Yet Trump, a man of few core beliefs and a fanatical attachment to polling, his reelection standing, and how his daily events play on television, nonetheless plunged ahead with an event bound to harm all three. It is no undue paranoia to ask why.”
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 19:55:10 GMT
I am flabbergasted. Russia and NK are friends and the EU is a foe? And this is ok with GOP? When will we put country over party? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? At this point I have no doubt that half the GOP leadership is in on this.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 16, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
I am flabbergasted. Russia and NK are friends and the EU is a foe? And this is ok with GOP? When will we put country over party? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? At this point I have no doubt that half the GOP leadership is in on this. sure seems like they HAVE to be in on it, for it to have gone on so long, and to have gotten to this point.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2018 20:06:48 GMT
Cannot quot exactly but... he sent a tweet..... includes.... I have great CONFIDENCE IN MY intellegence agencies.... etc.......... We cannot dwell in the past
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HE is the one who keeps bringing up the past... All Obama'a fault. I won the election... but talks about how won form Hillary.......... What about the emails.............. and on and on.............
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As I said today and many times before, “I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people.” However, I also recognize that in order to build a brighter future, we cannot exclusively focus on the past – as the world’s two largest nuclear powers, we must get along! #HELSINKI2018
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Post by pyccku on Jul 16, 2018 20:16:33 GMT
So, ummm....another Russian just got charged. For conspiring to act as a Russian agent and infiltrating organizations for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian federation. She had cultivated ties with the NRA as well as others.
Very interesting, and I'm sure it's totally unrelated. Most definitely Obama's fault, right? Damn witch hunt, keeps finding more and more witches.
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 16, 2018 20:24:42 GMT
Actually, the more I think about it, it must be an even worse eye-opening revelation for those that actually married a Trump voter.
How do the conversations around the dinner table go? Do y'all call them traitors?
My husband is neither an idiot nor an asshole, so, luckily, he didn't vote for Trump, and our conversations are fine. It's funny how that works out.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 16, 2018 20:34:17 GMT
STFU, @samiam . Back to ignore. (I apologize to everyone else for actually stooping to that level.) No need to apologise!
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Post by Merge on Jul 16, 2018 20:41:47 GMT
So, ummm....another Russian just got charged. For conspiring to act as a Russian agent and infiltrating organizations for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian federation. She had cultivated ties with the NRA as well as others. Very interesting, and I'm sure it's totally unrelated. Most definitely Obama's fault, right? Damn witch hunt, keeps finding more and more witches. Oh yeah. Russia used the NRA to funnel money to the Trump campaign while Obama was still president, so it's all Obama's fault. As usual.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 16, 2018 20:47:20 GMT
But did the stock market go up? That is what really matters. ;(
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 16, 2018 20:48:07 GMT
why, oh WHY, do I read the comments on these things? I clicked on one of the Pro-Trump comments underneath John McCain's Twitter link to his 'this was a disgraceful display' statement. This is an actual reply to his tweet: "It may not be a coincidence that your JEALOUSY and HATE for Presidnet Trump has brought u down to brain cancer, u best REPENT of your divisivness, jealousy and hate towards a great president who is working hard putting America First." sometimes people just turn my stomach.
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Post by gar on Jul 16, 2018 20:56:12 GMT
I'm simply saying we'll survive. Oh of course you'll 'survive' - it's a question of what that survival will look like in your country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:08:02 GMT
I feel bad for the spouses/significant others of the right haters here that voted for Trump. It must be really hard for them to get up every day knowing their spouse looks at them filled with hate and despises them for voting for Trump. I, on the other hand, am good to go. I didn't vote for Trump. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Sure, Gia. Deflect away. Where are those examples of Obama apologizing to foreign powers you were going to show me? Now you're so desperate to demonize different opinions you're accusing samiam of being me? You're flat out wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:13:11 GMT
Tech support to the rescue: Despite the hysteria over objections to biased news coverage, we are still the land of free press. The press is still free to be dishonest, "get it wrong" and confuse their opinion with actual journalism. 24/7/365
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jul 16, 2018 21:25:34 GMT
STFU, @samiam . Back to ignore. (I apologize to everyone else for actually stooping to that level.) When I was in German in my teens I talked with older people who were alive during WWII. I asked them why didn't the german people do anything? The ones who would talk about (and there were not many) said they hadn't realised it was happening. I'm sure there were signs, but because it wasn't affected their lives they put their heads in the sand. I wonder what it's going to take for people to wake up? I mean almost 3000 children rip from their mother's arms isn't doing it, what will? The difference now is social media and we are more away of things happening globally. ANYONE in the USA right now who still sides with Trump are absolute traitors to their own country. You have access to ALL forms of media and different sources. I had to unfriend someone on FB because ONLY Fox news told the truth. Seriously? None of the other news sources around the globe all saying the SAME thing doesn't clue you into the fact FOX has gone bat shit crazy? This ex friend said some really nasty things about Liberals (which I am one duh). Nothing I said matter. And she's living in my country Canada but from the USA. I'm sure she voted for Doug Ford and helped bring in the wannabe Trump party in my province of Ontario. I'm doing so much sighing since his party took power that I'm really hoping he doesn't do too much damage. The PCs had compentent women and men they could've voted for but they picked a leader who did questionable things in government but hey he's your FRIEND and will give you $1 beer and a whooping 10 cents off of gas for your car (seriously, that was on billboards in the city of Toronto).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:30:46 GMT
Tech support to the rescue: Despite the hysteria over objections to biased news coverage, we are still the land of free press. The press is still free to be dishonest, "get it wrong" and confuse their opinion with actual journalism. 24/7/365 . Oh you are talking about Fox News and how they excel at “getting it wrong”. Until you admit Fox News IS the leader in spreading misinformation and just flat out “getting it wrong” you will never make a “valid” point when it comes to the media.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:30:53 GMT
Actually, the more I think about it, it must be an even worse eye-opening revelation for those that actually married a Trump voter.
How do the conversations around the dinner table go? Do y'all call them traitors?
My husband is neither an idiot nor an asshole, so, luckily, he didn't vote for Trump, and our conversations are fine. It's funny how that works out. Ah, yet some of your vocal right-hating friends here have found themselves in quite a predicament. They find themselves dating, or even worse, having married an "idiot or asshole" (as you put it) that ended up voting for Trump, lol. Those are the conversations I'm curious about. I can only imagine:
"Traitor, put some more steaks on the grill."
"Hey racist, pass the potatoes."
I do wonder what your friends that are dating or married to a Trump voter think of you and others referring to them as assholes and idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:37:51 GMT
Despite the hysteria over objections to biased news coverage, we are still the land of free press. The press is still free to be dishonest, "get it wrong" and confuse their opinion with actual journalism. 24/7/365 . Oh you are talking about Fox News and how they excel at “getting it wrong”. Until you admit Fox News IS the leader in spreading misinformation and just flat out “getting it wrong” you will never make a “valid” point when it comes to the media. No. I'm talking about the fact that we have free press here. And you demanding I have to admit your skewed viewpoint is the only correct viewpoint is hysterically funny.
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Post by cade387 on Jul 16, 2018 21:39:02 GMT
My husband is neither an idiot nor an asshole, so, luckily, he didn't vote for Trump, and our conversations are fine. It's funny how that works out. Ah, yet some of your vocal right-hating friends here have found themselves in quite a predicament. They find themselves dating, or even worse, having married an "idiot or asshole" (as you put it) that ended up voting for Trump, lol. Those are the conversations I'm curious about. I can only imagine:
"Traitor, put some more steaks on the grill."
"Hey racist, pass the potatoes."
I do wonder what your friends that are dating or married to a Trump voter think of you and others referring to them as assholes and idiots. I will be sure to tell my friend who is near suicidal over this that you don’t give a fuck if she takes her life. This isn’t funny. It isn’t a joke. How can you be so heartless?
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 16, 2018 21:44:19 GMT
I do wonder what your friends that are dating or married to a Trump voter think of you and others referring to them as assholes and idiots. None of my friends have dated or are married to a Trump voter. I do have family members who voted for him, though, and they absolutely know I think they're an idiot or an asshole. They don't seem to regret their choice.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 16, 2018 21:45:27 GMT
LOOK at this tweet from Newt Gingrich
“President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.“
I can’t figure out how to copy the whole thing.
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