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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 15:22:38 GMT
and it was very discouraging. Here's my take on what he said. WDTPT? 1.Obesity is genetic 2.It is caused by harmones and High Insulin blood levels 3.All diets work, but only to a point, and you always gain it back 4.Your weight is a "set point" and your body will always try to get you back to that number 5.Excercise does not help you lose weight 6.Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories 7.don't eat breakfast unless you are hungry 8.No Snacks, ever
9.No sugar or sugar substitutes ever.
The fasting program in the back of the book was especially daunting. I don't know how anyone could do that. I pretty sure I could not. Chicken and vegetables....that's all...forever?
anyone have any advice, encouragement, etc. for me?
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jul 16, 2018 15:27:49 GMT
Fasting is easy. What you eat in the feasting period naturally evolves into better foods. Start with the fast then adapt your choices in the feasting window as you go along. It works and you don't have to be perfect.
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Post by freebird on Jul 16, 2018 15:29:11 GMT
I just came off a 7 day fast. Don't ever say "can't". You'll be amazed at the things your body can do. You can start slow and build your fasting muscle by just skipping breakfast, and that might be all you ever need. I'm not sure where the "just chicken and vegetables" thing came from, I eat all kinds of food - but keto friendly. I use keto to support my fasting. You may not even need to eat low carb (but I suggest it, I started out eating regularly. Keto is better). If you want to start intermittent fasting, I wouldn't eat breakfast, even if you are hungry. Hunger comes in waves, it will go away. I had a huge meal last night and feel like trash today. I'll eat keto lunch and dinner and then go back to 42 hour fasts this week.
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
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Post by annabella on Jul 16, 2018 15:34:13 GMT
My mother read this book last year but I think everyone has an opinion on how to lose weight and you have to take everything with a grain of salt. I think you have to make sure you have to make sure you get the right vitamins in your body so your brain can work at peak levels to have the will power to not overeat. I agree that exercise does not equal weight loss. I think breakfast, snacks and sugar substitutes are ok. I hate all these drastic plans that tell you to fast and not eat xyz. I think these ideas are not sustainable for long term success.
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Post by luckyjune on Jul 16, 2018 15:44:50 GMT
I fast for 16 hours every day. It actually works quite well if I finish dinner by 6pm and don't eat for the rest of the night. In the summer, I sleep in a bit, so I get up, have bulletproof coffee, and I'm fine until (and often beyond) 10am, which is the end of 16 hours. It will work during the school year as well because our lunch is at 10:30am, which is perfect timing. Fasting sounds daunting (and throw in Keto to make it even more exciting!) but it is very doable. I'm working to break insulin resistance and get myself out of the pre-diabetic state. Diabetes runs in my family, so I'll do what it takes to stave it off as long as possible.
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Post by katlady on Jul 16, 2018 15:53:27 GMT
My thoughts on a couple of the points. 1- I don’t necessarily think it is genetic, it depends on what you ate growing up and what you were taught about food. So I think it is more generational than genetics. 5 - Losing weight is 80% diet and 20% exercise. 6 - True. Your body goes into starvation mode when you cut calories. It thinks it won’t get food.
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Post by mygigiscraps on Jul 16, 2018 15:58:57 GMT
I just came off a 7 day fast. Don't ever say "can't". You'll be amazed at the things your body can do. You can start slow and build your fasting muscle by just skipping breakfast, and that might be all you ever need. I'm not sure where the "just chicken and vegetables" thing came from, I eat all kinds of food - but keto friendly. I use keto to support my fasting. You may not even need to eat low carb (but I suggest it, I started out eating regularly. Keto is better). If you want to start intermittent fasting, I wouldn't eat breakfast, even if you are hungry. Hunger comes in waves, it will go away. I had a huge meal last night and feel like trash today. I'll eat keto lunch and dinner and then go back to 42 hour fasts this week.
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
Do you drink coffee when you fast? If so, do you use any sweetener or creamer? Is that allowed with fasting? I could go the 16 hours each day without eating, but my morning coffee breaks me every time.
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Post by freebird on Jul 16, 2018 16:10:38 GMT
I just came off a 7 day fast. Don't ever say "can't". You'll be amazed at the things your body can do. You can start slow and build your fasting muscle by just skipping breakfast, and that might be all you ever need. I'm not sure where the "just chicken and vegetables" thing came from, I eat all kinds of food - but keto friendly. I use keto to support my fasting. You may not even need to eat low carb (but I suggest it, I started out eating regularly. Keto is better). If you want to start intermittent fasting, I wouldn't eat breakfast, even if you are hungry. Hunger comes in waves, it will go away. I had a huge meal last night and feel like trash today. I'll eat keto lunch and dinner and then go back to 42 hour fasts this week.
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
Do you drink coffee when you fast? If so, do you use any sweetener or creamer? Is that allowed with fasting? I could go the 16 hours each day without eating, but my morning coffee breaks me every time.
I do not drink coffee at all. However, creamer and sweetener technically breaks a fast. Some people add oil/butter or heavy whipping cream to their coffee to get them by. Technically that's a break. If you're looking to reach autophagy, then it's a problem, if not, it really won't break it for long. Don't add more than 50 calories worth of HWC and don't use any artificial sweeteners. They cause an insulin spike the same as sugar does.
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Post by mygigiscraps on Jul 16, 2018 16:15:32 GMT
Freebird, thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 16:29:04 GMT
My thoughts on a couple of the points. 1- I don’t necessarily think it is genetic, it depends on what you ate growing up and what you were taught about food. So I think it is more generational than genetics. 6 I'm pretty sure I didn't misunderstood that. The author says it's genetic. Appreciate the replies. I feel a little better
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Post by LeaP on Jul 16, 2018 16:41:47 GMT
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
Wow, freebird that is impressive! Congratulations on your hard work. I've been doing the no breakfast thing and it is fine as long as I drink my coffee black. I've been doing two meals a day and am trying to narrow the time between them so that I can try a single meal per day. One way to look at it is that you need to think about food and what you eat much less. All you have is two meals per day so make them count. No need to fret about snacks and breakfast. ETA: was posting at the same time as freebird re: coffee & katlady a lot of my eating is habit. SaveSave
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Post by not2peased on Jul 16, 2018 16:47:20 GMT
I read it and did not come away with the same takeaways at all. Interesting what we "hear" when we read or see something.
there is no one answer for everyone, IMO. this has been a godsend to people like me, but maybe something different will work for you. I think it's worth trying though.
I wish you luck in your journey, it's NOT easy for anyone
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 16:57:56 GMT
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
Wow, freebird that is impressive! Congratulations on your hard work. I've been doing the no breakfast thing and it is fine as long as I drink my coffee black. I've been doing two meals a day and am trying to narrow the time between them so that I can try a single meal per day. One way to look at it is that you need to think about food and what you eat much less. All you have is two meals per day so make them count. No need to fret about snacks and breakfast. ETA: was posting at the same time as freebird re: coffee & katlady a lot of my eating is habit.
I was about to ask about snacks. I've been on every diet, almost., starting when I was 12 years old ( mom initiated) I've lost and regained hundreds of pounds. (litterally) I've never been on one that didn't have snacks. Sounds miserable. I'm talking healthy snack like 1 piece of fruit. I've been trying Dr. Adkins again the last few weeks. Not cheating at all. I've lost 0 pounds. I do have a lot more energy but not sure I will stay motivated if I continue not to lose.
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Post by auntkelly on Jul 16, 2018 17:06:27 GMT
I do believe that genetics plays a big role in whether you have a tendency towards obesity. However, I think even if you are predisposed towards obesity, you can overcome that predisposition w/ proper diet and exercise.
I read the Obesity Code about 18 months ago and have practiced pretty regular intermittent fasting ever since. I usually do 16 hour fasts but sometimes do 24 hour fasts. Initially, I lost about thirty pounds. I was very good about eating low carb. Although I've stuck w/ the intermittent fasting, I haven't been very good about sticking to a low carb diet. However, I haven't gained back any of the weight I lost, which is a huge victory for me.
I have exercised my whole life and I am a big believer in exercise to aid w/ weight control. It seems my metabolism just shuts down when I don't exercise.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jul 16, 2018 17:22:45 GMT
My thoughts.....
1.Obesity is genetic - Maybe.
2.It is caused by hormones and High Insulin blood levels - I agree there's a bigger link than we've been lead to believe.
3.All diets work, but only to a point, and you always gain it back - Agree because people typically don't change what they're doing. If you do what you always did, you'll get what you always got.
4.Your weight is a "set point" and your body will always try to get you back to that number. - Kind of agree with this because I know, no matter how fit I was (past tense), I could never get below a certain number.
5.Excercise does not help you lose weight - Agree. You can't out exercise a bad diet. Losing weight is all about nutrition vs. exercise.
6.Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories - Yep, that's science. Your body goes into starvation mode
7.don't eat breakfast unless you are hungry - Agree.
8.No Snacks, ever - Agree.
9.No sugar or sugar substitutes ever. - Absolutely agree. Sugar makes you crave more sugar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 17:48:22 GMT
I do believe that genetics plays a big role in whether you have a tendency towards obesity. However, I think even if you are predisposed towards obesity, you can overcome that predisposition w/ proper diet and exercise. I read the Obesity Code about 18 months ago and have practiced pretty regular intermittent fasting ever since. I usually do 16 hour fasts but sometimes do 24 hour fasts. Initially, I lost about thirty pounds. I was very good about eating low carb. Although I've stuck w/ the intermittent fasting, I haven't been very good about sticking to a low carb diet. However, I haven't gained back any of the weight I lost, which is a huge victory for me. I have exercised my whole life and I am a big believer in exercise to aid w/ weight control. It seems my metabolism just shuts down when I don't exercise. It sounds like you believe what the book says except for the genetic thing.
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Post by LeaP on Jul 16, 2018 17:58:52 GMT
I was about to ask about snacks. I've been on every diet, almost., starting when I was 12 years old ( mom initiated) I've lost and regained hundreds of pounds. (litterally) I've never been on one that didn't have snacks. Sounds miserable. I'm talking healthy snack like 1 piece of fruit. I've been trying Dr. Adkins again the last few weeks. Not cheating at all. I've lost 0 pounds. I do have a lot more energy but not sure I will stay motivated if I continue not to lose. I think that eating habits are very individual. If a snack works for you then you should do it. For me one snack leads to another snack that leads to another snack and me thinking of stuff to eat. If I have a meal with veggie + protein + starch and I eat enough I don't need to eat until mealtime or think about food. I am trying to lose around 20 lbs. I am around 8% away from not being technically overweight.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 16, 2018 18:27:48 GMT
I agree with SweetieBsMom, except for the opinion about snacks and sugar. I haven't read this particular book, but I have learned a lot about the biology of weight gain / loss and obesity during the time I've been doing a medically-assisted program. I do NOT agree that 'sugar is bad' necessarily (refined sugar isn't needed, perhaps, but not 'bad' in and off itself in moderation, for a 'normal' person-- not someone who's diabetic, or something like that.) Yes, sugar begets sugar cravings, and it can cause highs and crashes- which aren't good. But I don't believe that there's only ONE way for EVERY person to successfully lose weight. I believe it depends on what the basis for each individual's weight gain is, and that you have to find what works best for YOU and your situation. You have to know what makes YOU tick in relation to food in order to make changes. For example, my eating issues are primarily emotional eating with some long-term bad habits tossed in. I have chronic depression and I have used sugary, high-fat foods as a mood lifter for YEARS. In my opinion, without addressing my depression and my emotional eating issues (addressing them *separate* from any 'diet' or food changes alone), lasting weight-loss would never be successful for me. (I'm still working on it, myself.)
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 16, 2018 18:39:09 GMT
I do believe that genetics plays a big role in whether you have a tendency towards obesity. However, I think even if you are predisposed towards obesity, you can overcome that predisposition w/ proper diet and exercise. I read the Obesity Code about 18 months ago and have practiced pretty regular intermittent fasting ever since. I usually do 16 hour fasts but sometimes do 24 hour fasts. Initially, I lost about thirty pounds. I was very good about eating low carb. Although I've stuck w/ the intermittent fasting, I haven't been very good about sticking to a low carb diet. However, I haven't gained back any of the weight I lost, which is a huge victory for me. I have exercised my whole life and I am a big believer in exercise to aid w/ weight control. It seems my metabolism just shuts down when I don't exercise. It sounds like you believe what the book says except for the genetic thing. Just throwing in my 2 cents. There are definitely different body types that we are born with and some have a predisposition to obesity. I don't think that is the same as saying obesity is genetic. In my family of five siblings, raised on the same diet, 2 tended to put on weight easily, 2 were normal weight and 1 was skinny. Pretty much from birth through to middle age we have stuck in our lane. My dad would put on weight easily, my mom was always skinny. DD can put on weight easily, DS has always been skinny. We have choices, and I've let my weight get up there and lost it a few times over the years. My worst habit is mindless snacking in front of the TV. It is a habit, not hunger and calories needed to maintain my weight, so I will always put on weight when I let myself go down that road. IF has been easy for me to adopt as a lifestyle. Most of my social eating is lunch or dinner and I was never much of a breakfast eater. I have tea in the morning now and drink my coffee after lunch because I don't put anything in my tea and need almond milk in my coffee. I've started knitting again to keep my hands busy and avoid snacking in the evening.
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Post by auntkelly on Jul 16, 2018 18:57:52 GMT
I do believe that genetics plays a big role in whether you have a tendency towards obesity. However, I think even if you are predisposed towards obesity, you can overcome that predisposition w/ proper diet and exercise. I read the Obesity Code about 18 months ago and have practiced pretty regular intermittent fasting ever since. I usually do 16 hour fasts but sometimes do 24 hour fasts. Initially, I lost about thirty pounds. I was very good about eating low carb. Although I've stuck w/ the intermittent fasting, I haven't been very good about sticking to a low carb diet. However, I haven't gained back any of the weight I lost, which is a huge victory for me. I have exercised my whole life and I am a big believer in exercise to aid w/ weight control. It seems my metabolism just shuts down when I don't exercise. It sounds like you believe what the book says except for the genetic thing. I think the tendency to become obese is genetic. But I don't believe you are destined to become obese just because you are predisposed to obesity. It's been awhile since I read the book, but I thought that was what the author believed as well.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jul 16, 2018 19:22:50 GMT
I just came off a 7 day fast. Don't ever say "can't". You'll be amazed at the things your body can do. You can start slow and build your fasting muscle by just skipping breakfast, and that might be all you ever need. I'm not sure where the "just chicken and vegetables" thing came from, I eat all kinds of food - but keto friendly. I use keto to support my fasting. You may not even need to eat low carb (but I suggest it, I started out eating regularly. Keto is better). If you want to start intermittent fasting, I wouldn't eat breakfast, even if you are hungry. Hunger comes in waves, it will go away. I had a huge meal last night and feel like trash today. I'll eat keto lunch and dinner and then go back to 42 hour fasts this week.
ETA: I've lost 125#. 75 of that with fasting. I know for a fact I wouldn't be more than 50-60 lbs lost if it were not for fasting. Everyone thinks I'm magic. I've achieved something that almost no one does. It feels like cheating. It's so freaking easy frankly. Only about 10-20 lbs from goal! I am going to start with a trainer in a month and work on building some muscle next.
This. My experience is almost identical. I try to eat lower carbs as often as I can and eliminated artificial sweeteners, but I wouldn't say I eat a keto diet. I don't eat a bunch of fat. I just try to balance my diet in the traditional fashion of lots of protien veggies, fruits, dairy and fats. as for this "6.Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories", I think you misunderstood what he was saying. What he explains is that if you limit your diet to a low calorie diet and eat many small meals then yes, your metabolism will slow because your body is constantly being fed, but only in small amounts so there goes the starving mode. When you fast for longer than 16 hours though, your body starts fueling from the stored fat on your body and then when you break your fast you eat a healthy amount of calories so it balances out without going into starvation mode. (someone correct me if I'm wrong or need to expand on my understanding of it) I 16 hour fast daily and 24 hour fast twice a week and am maintaining my weight with no problem going on 3 or 4 months now. Its liveable and easy for me. I plan on living this lifestyle forever to maintain my weight.
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Post by tracyarts on Jul 16, 2018 21:12:31 GMT
Bullshit. I've maintained a 150 pound weight loss for 10 years so far. Exercise does help manage insulin resistance and increase your metabolism. Since I haven't been able to exercise, it's much harder to continue losing weight, on the same diet as when I was active. I eat breakfast every day, as I have to take medication in the morning that must be eaten with a meal. I eat snacks when my stomach is growling and I'm genuinely physiologically hungry between meals. Which isn't often, but it happens. And sometimes just for enjoyment like popcorn at a movie. I eat sugar every day. Not much, but I do. And I have lost a significant amount of weight and kept it off for the long-term. IMO, the book is just more bullshit diet woo to earn the author money off of the desperation of fat people looking for the magic bullet. and it was very discouraging. Here's my take on what he said. WDTPT? 1.Obesity is genetic 2.It is caused by harmones and High Insulin blood levels 3.All diets work, but only to a point, and you always gain it back 4.Your weight is a "set point" and your body will always try to get you back to that number 5.Excercise does not help you lose weight 6.Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories 7.don't eat breakfast unless you are hungry 8.No Snacks, ever
9.No sugar or sugar substitutes ever.
The fasting program in the back of the book was especially daunting. I don't know how anyone could do that. I pretty sure I could not. Chicken and vegetables....that's all...forever?
anyone have any advice, encouragement, etc. for me?
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Post by SabrinaP on Jul 16, 2018 21:24:33 GMT
I’ve lost 80 pounds in the last 13 months all though fasting and cutting carbs. I started by basically just skipping breakfast and eating lunch and dinner. I fasted at least 16 hours a day but usually 18. I kept my carbs to 30 total grams. I really didn’t think I could do low carb but at this point in my life I was almost 270 pounds and I knew I had to do something. I’ve done weight watchers before and would always lose about 25 pounds and get stuck. I now know that I was always eating too many carbs.
I lost the first 50 pounds doing 16:8 or 18:6 fasting and low carb. When I hit a plateau I increased my fasting to 20 hours a day and usually only do one true meal. I do not count calories or carbs anymore, but I still stay away from high carb foods like bread, rice, white potatoes, pasta, and sugar. I don’t miss them at all! I make sure and eat to satisfaction. I usually have a small, healthy snack around 4:00 and then eat dinner around 6:00. After I eat dinner I fast until the next day. I do not consume anything except water and black coffee during fasting. As long as I eat a good amount of healthy fats in my meal, I’m not really hungry at all. I’ve been doing OMAD since March and have lost another 30 pounds. I still have about 20-30 pounds to go to meet my goal.
It’s really been the easiest thing I’ve ever tried to lose weight. I’ve now got my DH on board and I’m hoping it works for him. He still needs to clean up his eating a little bit, but he was just telling me today how when he started eating his lunch he got full super quickly and couldn’t finish it all. We call that “appetite correction”.
If you want another book to read that is less “science”y pick up Delay, Don’t Deny by Gin Stephens.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 16, 2018 21:35:14 GMT
Intermittent fasting is what finally broke my plateau and got me to lose the last 10 of 20 lbs. I don’t believe your metabolism slows down when you don’t eat. I think it’s just a matter of not eating the same thing in the same quantity at the same time day in and day out.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 16, 2018 21:36:31 GMT
I’ve lost 80 pounds in the last 13 months all though fasting and cutting carbs. I started by basically just skipping breakfast and eating lunch and dinner. I fasted at least 16 hours a day but usually 18. I kept my carbs to 30 total grams. I really didn’t think I could do low carb but at this point in my life I was almost 270 pounds and I knew I had to do something. I’ve done weight watchers before and would always lose about 25 pounds and get stuck. I now know that I was always eating too many carbs. I lost the first 50 pounds doing 16:8 or 18:6 fasting and low carb. When I hit a plateau I increased my fasting to 20 hours a day and usually only do one true meal. I do not count calories or carbs anymore, but I still stay away from high carb foods like bread, rice, white potatoes, pasta, and sugar. I don’t miss them at all! I make sure and eat to satisfaction. I usually have a small, healthy snack around 4:00 and then eat dinner around 6:00. After I eat dinner I fast until the next day. I do not consume anything except water and black coffee during fasting. As long as I eat a good amount of healthy fats in my meal, I’m not really hungry at all. I’ve been doing OMAD since March and have lost another 30 pounds. I still have about 20-30 pounds to go to meet my goal. It’s really been the easiest thing I’ve ever tried to lose weight. I’ve now got my DH on board and I’m hoping it works for him. He still needs to clean up his eating a little bit, but he was just telling me today how when he started eating his lunch he got full super quickly and couldn’t finish it all. We call that “appetite correction”. If you want another book to read that is less “science”y pick up Delay, Don’t Deny by Gin Stephens. Good for you! What an accomplishment. This is essentially what I did as well and it was very successful. I’m now maintaining easily.
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Post by ~Susan~ on Jul 16, 2018 22:01:35 GMT
I have been IF since June of last year. Even though I needed to lose weight, that was not why I started doing it. I was wanting to heal my body. I had tendinitis in both Achilles tendons, arthritis just about everywhere and didn't have the energy that wanted/needed to live the lifestyle that I want to live.
I started off by skipping breakfast and then I moved my lunch back an hour at a time. I now fast anywhere from 16-18 hours a day. Sometimes even longer. It just depends.
I have pretty much healed my tendinitis after many trips and $$$ to a podiatrist couldn't do anything for me and my arthritis is doesn't bother me anymore. I have even been able to stop my 15mg of Mobic everyday.
Before I was diagnosed with breast cancer in March, I felt like a 20 old. My energy was unbelievable and I slept like a baby. I haven't been able to do that since I was a teenager.
I also lost 35lbs. I still need to lose a lot more, but my oncologists want me to hold off on that for now. I am still able to fast the same, except a couple of days before chemo and after. I think it has made a huge difference in how I am dealing and feeling with all of the drugs and radiation I've had as of late.
I will be fasting and watching my carbs from now on because it has made a tremendous difference in my life and health.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 16, 2018 22:22:00 GMT
Bullshit. I've maintained a 150 pound weight loss for 10 years so far. Exercise does help manage insulin resistance and increase your metabolism. Since I haven't been able to exercise, it's much harder to continue losing weight, on the same diet as when I was active. I eat breakfast every day, as I have to take medication in the morning that must be eaten with a meal. I eat snacks when my stomach is growling and I'm genuinely physiologically hungry between meals. Which isn't often, but it happens. And sometimes just for enjoyment like popcorn at a movie. I eat sugar every day. Not much, but I do. And I have lost a significant amount of weight and kept it off for the long-term. IMO, the book is just more bullshit diet woo to earn the author money off of the desperation of fat people looking for the magic bullet. and it was very discouraging. Here's my take on what he said. WDTPT? 1.Obesity is genetic 2.It is caused by harmones and High Insulin blood levels 3.All diets work, but only to a point, and you always gain it back 4.Your weight is a "set point" and your body will always try to get you back to that number 5.Excercise does not help you lose weight 6.Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories 7.don't eat breakfast unless you are hungry 8.No Snacks, ever
9.No sugar or sugar substitutes ever.
The fasting program in the back of the book was especially daunting. I don't know how anyone could do that. I pretty sure I could not. Chicken and vegetables....that's all...forever?
anyone have any advice, encouragement, etc. for me?
I agree with Tracy Arts and I'll answer the above questions. 1. Obesity is genetic. No it is not. Obesity is related to our diet. Specifically our processed food diet. Look at the photos of your great grandparents when they were young. Were they obese? Were their children obese? How about your grandparents as children? That entire generation. Think of their diet compared to today's standard American diet. I don't know about you buy my grandmother grew up on a farm in Georgia (my father's mother). Everything she ate came from the farm-it was all home grown. Now look at today's generation and food shopping. Ordering pizza for dinner, getting processed foods to make quickly at home. That's the difference and that's the major cause of obesity. Processed foods vs. whole foods. Fast foods vs. cooking at home. 2. It is caused by hormones and high insulin blood levels. Not sure about this answer because I don't know what the author means by this. 3. All diets work, but only to a point, and then you always gain it back. This is true. Diets don't work. If you want to change your weight permanently you have to make a lifetime change. So whatever "diet" or eating plan you choose it has to be a lifestyle change you can live with permanently. This plan calls for fasting. So in order to maintain a weight loss from this diet you'd have to fast for the rest of your life or the weight would come back. 4. Your weight is a set point, and your body will always try to get back to that number. Don't believe this for a minute. My weight has gone up and down like a roller coaster for the past 29 years. Lots of this was due to medication and some of it was due to poor eating. I had clothes in my closet from sizes 6-18. And they all fit during those 29 years, intermittently. Pick a set number out of that. 5. Exercise does not help you lose weight. Yes it does. If you do it consistently along with a better diet it most certainly does. Diet 80%, Exercise 20% is the key to weight loss. 6. Your metabolism will slow down when you consume less calories. Hmm, I think this one is true because the body thinks it's starving and puts itself in starvation mode. 7. Don't eat breakfast unless you're hungry. Not sure about this one. I never have been able to eat breakfast so I don't. I eat only when I'm hungry, and I stop when I'm full. I eat slowly. I always have. Gives my stomach time to tell me it's full. 8. No snacks, ever. Nope, that doesn't make sense. If I'm hungry I eat a snack. I give my body what it wants. 9. No sugar or sugar substitutes ever. I wouldn't touch a sugar substitute with a 9 foot pole, but I do use a bit of raw sugar in my coffee every day. You've got to live. Bottom line-Yes, this diet can work. It has worked for some people-Freebird has proven that very successfully. For myself I chose 4 1/2 years ago to go in another direction. Truth to tell this book hadn't come out yet, but if it had I still would have chosen what I did. I don't want to fast, period. Honestly I don't think it's healthy. I chose a whole foods, plant based diet that I learned about from watching the documentary "Forks Over Knives" on Netflix. With a whole foods, plant based diet I can eat as much as I want. Every day for the rest of my life. I was 186 pounds when I hit 50 years of age and I decided to get healthy. First I gave up soda. Then I gave up fast food. Then I started giving up processed foods by following 100daysofrealfood.com I learned how important it was to ignore the front of the package of a food and instead turn it around and read the ingredients instead, and so much more. I went from 186 pounds to 169 but I was stuck there. At 5 foot 3 I wasn't happy. So one night I watched "Forks Over Knives" and decided to give it a try for 30 days. It was amazing. I felt so much better and I loved the food I was eating. I lost the rest of my weight and got down to my target weight of 125. My cholesterol went from 220 to 165 with no medication. Basically this diet is no meat, diary or oils. It was actually easy to give up those foods (your palate changes and you no longer crave them) and 4 1/2 years later I love the food I eat so much more. I only wish I'd found it sooner. If you want to know more check out forksoverknives.com
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 16, 2018 23:34:01 GMT
3. All diets work, but only to a point, and then you always gain it back. This is true. Diets don't work. If you want to change your weight permanently you have to make a lifetime change. So whatever "diet" or eating plan you choose it has to be a lifestyle change you can live with permanently. This plan calls for fasting. So in order to maintain a weight loss from this diet you'd have to fast for the rest of your life or the weight would come back. 7. Don't eat breakfast unless you're hungry. Not sure about this one. I never have been able to eat breakfast so I don't. I eat only when I'm hungry, and I stop when I'm full. I eat slowly. I always have. Gives my stomach time to tell me it's full. 8. No snacks, ever. Nope, that doesn't make sense. If I'm hungry I eat a snack. I give my body what it wants. 9. No sugar or sugar substitutes ever. I wouldn't touch a sugar substitute with a 9 foot pole, but I do use a bit of raw sugar in my coffee every day. You've got to live. Bottom line-Yes, this diet can work. It has worked for some people-Freebird has proven that very successfully. For myself I chose 4 1/2 years ago to go in another direction. Truth to tell this book hadn't come out yet, but if it had I still would have chosen what I did. I don't want to fast, period. Honestly I don't think it's healthy. I chose a whole foods, plant based diet that I learned about from watching the documentary "Forks Over Knives" on Netflix. I edited just to highlight the points I want to address and make it a little easier to read. I find it fascinating that you are so negative about the idea of a fast and never eat breakfast, which means you are fasting doesn't it? I think the word "fast" has a punitive connotation for some, when in reality it is just a shift in when and how you eat. We eat out of habit. I'm not in the habit of eating before noon and broke the habit of mindlessly eating in the evening, so IF has been an easy fit for me. I honestly haven't felt starved or fought waves of hunger. I'm not looking at the clock waiting for noon to roll around. Some days I accidentally do a 24 hour fast because I don't get around to eating until dinner time. I lived in France for a year and discovered breakfast was a pretty nonexistent meal. You might be offered some bread, butter & jam, but most people started the day with a big bowl of cafe au lait (yes, a bowl). Lunch and dinner were more protein & vegetable based than heavy starch. Portion sizes were normal and snacking wasn't part of the culture the way it is in North America. Dr. Fung also recognizes there are times when you don't want to fast, including indulging in sugar:
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 16, 2018 23:58:51 GMT
I’ve lost 80 pounds in the last 13 months all though fasting and cutting carbs. I started by basically just skipping breakfast and eating lunch and dinner. I fasted at least 16 hours a day but usually 18. I kept my carbs to 30 total grams. I really didn’t think I could do low carb but at this point in my life I was almost 270 pounds and I knew I had to do something. I’ve done weight watchers before and would always lose about 25 pounds and get stuck. I now know that I was always eating too many carbs. I lost the first 50 pounds doing 16:8 or 18:6 fasting and low carb. When I hit a plateau I increased my fasting to 20 hours a day and usually only do one true meal. I do not count calories or carbs anymore, but I still stay away from high carb foods like bread, rice, white potatoes, pasta, and sugar. I don’t miss them at all! I make sure and eat to satisfaction. I usually have a small, healthy snack around 4:00 and then eat dinner around 6:00. After I eat dinner I fast until the next day. I do not consume anything except water and black coffee during fasting. As long as I eat a good amount of healthy fats in my meal, I’m not really hungry at all. I’ve been doing OMAD since March and have lost another 30 pounds. I still have about 20-30 pounds to go to meet my goal. It’s really been the easiest thing I’ve ever tried to lose weight. I’ve now got my DH on board and I’m hoping it works for him. He still needs to clean up his eating a little bit, but he was just telling me today how when he started eating his lunch he got full super quickly and couldn’t finish it all. We call that “appetite correction”. If you want another book to read that is less “science”y pick up Delay, Don’t Deny by Gin Stephens. Did you switch to a high fat diet, like Keto suggests? Or just a medium increase in fats? I keep trying keto without the fasting part, and I’m just not seeing successes like I did in the winter when I combined it with the fasting, no matter how much fat I add into my diet and how many carbs I cut.
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Post by 61redhead on Jul 17, 2018 1:09:34 GMT
I have been doing intermittant fasting (IF) since November, 2017. I have lost 30 lbs. I fast 20 hrs/day, with a 4 hour eating window, during which time, I eat/drink anything I want. Over time, Appetite Correction sets in, telling you when you are satiated and what you want to eat. Join the FB page Delay, Don't Deny, and buy the book by the same name. This is the easiest thing I have ever done, and the only one that has worked. The first photo below was taken last September with my mom. The second was in June with a coworker. Ack! Sorry the photos are so large!
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