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Post by Jockscrap on Aug 27, 2018 7:30:45 GMT
As a S/O from the tiny houses thread where many folk were able to say what the floor area of their home is, I wondered if the other UK and non-UK Peas were like me and hadn’t a clue. I think the information is on house listings now, but I don’t know if it was 20-30 years ago when we were looking to buy and sell property. I have absolutely no idea what the area of my home is - not even a ball-park figure, off the top of my head and without doing any calculations. I have never ever heard someone in the UK talk about a property using the sq footage figure. They might say they were looking at two places but one has a two foot longer garage or master bedroom, but never quote the overall sq footage of the whole property. It isn’t something that is written on anything official I might see annually either eg, council tax forms either, so if I ever did know the sq footage of my home when I bought it (although I’m sure I didn’t), that info would long since have been forgotten.
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Post by sueg on Aug 27, 2018 7:32:39 GMT
I know ours - 90sqm. It is pretty standard here to see the floor area in sqm in house/apartment listings. I am still lost when it comes to square footage, as I don't know the conversion between square feet and square meters.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2018 7:38:33 GMT
Nope, not a clue. I have also registered the fact in past threads here that the American peas know that info. I just asked DH and he said no, but reckoned he could roughly work it out fairly easily.
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Post by wellway on Aug 27, 2018 8:00:37 GMT
Not a clue
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 27, 2018 8:12:55 GMT
We rent, but I know the square footage of our home is about 2800. I’m not sure about the entire property itself but it’s fairly good sized for our area.
ETA: just for reference for the non-US Peas: our square footage doesn’t include the unfinished 3-car garage or attic. Our home is 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath, with an office we use as a fifth bedroom. We have a living room and a loft used as a family room.
We’ve always been military or military affiliated so we’ve never purchased a home, but with a big family of six we generally wouldn’t look at a home to rent that was less than 1800 sq. ft.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 9:26:30 GMT
No, haven't a clue here either. I just know the size of each individual room i.e. the lounge is 123 x 123 and the kitchen is 234 x 234 or whatever. I've never seen it listed in total on any estate agents details either.
I've not noticed the room sizes being listed on US sales individually either only the total overall, which to me isn't much help when I'm trying to work out what size the kitchen or the bedrooms are.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 27, 2018 9:38:17 GMT
This is so interesting, as the square footage is of prime importance here. And it's quite easy to determine. Multiply the width x the length of each room. Bathrooms and diets are not supposed to be included but considering the size of some I see on HGTV I bet they are.
My house is 1076 sq ft. It started out much smaller and rooms were expanded, made larger, plus 2 were added.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2018 9:51:02 GMT
This is so interesting, as the square footage is of prime importance here. And it's quite easy to determine. Multiply the width x the length of each room. Bathrooms and diets are not supposed to be included but considering the size of some I see on HGTV I bet they are. My house is 1076 sq ft. It started out much smaller and rooms were expanded, made larger, plus 2 were added. We know how to work it out but we tend to look at each room size individually rather than the overall square footage. If I was looking at buying a house I would want to know the length/width of the kitchen, the sitting room etc then the bedrooms etc because then I can compare it to my current home. If I read that it was, for arguments sake 1000sq feet I would have no idea if that was bigger or smaller that where I live now. It’s just not how we do things 🙂
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Aug 27, 2018 9:57:45 GMT
Another UK Pea here, and I nearly started the same thread yesterday after reading that one! But I didn't - instead, I went and got a tape measure and measured all my flipping rooms so that I, too, would know what my home's area is in square feet. And because I'm a nerd, so that I would know next time an American Pea asked, I also put it into my "house" spreadsheet and converted it into square metres as well. I can report that our house is 1300 square feet! BUT that excludes the garage, cellars (unfinished) and loft, but includes bathrooms, conservatory, upstairs and downstairs hall and stairs. What is a "diet"? Which rooms should I be counting? But georgiapea - it absolutely was NOT easy to determine, and I had to do a lot of rounding up and down. Only new houses in the UK are square boxes. Ours is built on a hill. This is the upstairs plan. The downstairs is just 2 rooms cut out of the hillside, not equal to any of the outside walls. Most rooms have doorways that slant across the corners. The upstairs hall has 3 and curved corners.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 27, 2018 10:01:50 GMT
Interesting. Yes, we know. I'm curious, how do you compare prices for homes if you can't compare overall sizes? By number of rooms? Also, I'm curious, what is a fairly average size house for your area?
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Post by Jockscrap on Aug 27, 2018 10:17:45 GMT
Interesting. Yes, we know. I'm curious, how do you compare prices for homes if you can't compare overall sizes? By number of rooms? Also, I'm curious, what is a fairly average size house for your area? So many other factors determine the price of a house here, so although I guess it might be a starting point for a valuation, the location, aspect, size of plot, parking, school catchment area etc will all have a big effect on the value of a house. Overall floor area might not even be the most important factor to consider. I think that would mostly come into play in a new housing development where each house style would be finished the same, the same age and the same location, so the house size would determine the price. Once the houses are sold on in a few years time, a bigger house could easily go for less if it had a less desirable plot or was badly in need of upgrading. And I’ve no idea at all what an average house size is as we don’t measure! Off to Google to have a look.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2018 10:21:55 GMT
what is a fairly average size house for your area? In sq feet? No idea
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Post by Jockscrap on Aug 27, 2018 10:24:37 GMT
Google has nothing lol. Googled ‘average house floor area’ for my town and it’s giving me average house prices but nothing about size.
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Post by KelleeM on Aug 27, 2018 10:25:11 GMT
I’m in the US and only bought our townhouse two years ago, so yes, I know the square footage. I was just looking at the (closed) real estate listing on Saturday as I wanted to steal the listing photo for a scrapbook page. Anyway, according to the listing we have 1544 square feet but I’m not exactly sure how they came to that number.
I don’t know what area, if any, of our bottom level is included. We have three levels...bottom is garage, hallway along side of stairs, closet under stairs, open area about 6 feet square which is currently my scrapbooking area, and a utility room with washer, dryer, water heater and storage space. Second level is kitchen with dining area, powder room/half bath and living room. Top floor is two bedrooms and full bath. We have an attic but it’s not really useable unless we put sub flooring down and use it for storage.
Now my curiosity is peaked and I’m getting out the tape measure!
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2018 10:27:37 GMT
I'm curious, how do you compare prices for homes if you can't compare overall sizes? By number of rooms? Well, as Jockscrap said there's so many pertinent factors obviously, but when talking purely about size we'd say "Well the kitchen is 10ft x 14ft but ours is only 9ft x 12ft so that's bigger, the master is longer but not as wide so about the same overall..." That type of thing.
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Post by myboysnme on Aug 27, 2018 10:43:47 GMT
2150 sq ft
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Aug 27, 2018 10:44:10 GMT
In estate agents' listings, the room sizes are mostly included. Actually I just had a look at one of of our local estate agents' website and the total floor area is listed. It's just not something that is important in our criteria for buying. The usability of the space is much more important than the amount of it.
I've just recalculated and removing the unheated conservatory and the staircase, our house measures 1150 square feet. Is that considered spacious in US terms? I have no idea.
In British terms, it has 3 bedrooms and a box room, a family bathroom, an ensuite and a loo under the stairs, and a good-sized kitchen. Again that is by British standards - it's big enough to have a table at one end, which most kitchens don't.
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 27, 2018 10:53:28 GMT
I do, but that's because we recently had an appraisal done (not to sell) and it was on the report. I had a rough idea before -- we built the house 20 years ago and I spent many an hour looking at the plans back then. It definitely shows up on the data sheet when you're looking at real estate around here (US).
You can convert square meters to square feet by multiplying by 10.7.
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Post by lisae on Aug 27, 2018 10:55:26 GMT
1650 heated square feet plus a 300 square foot unheated sunroom and unfinished basement.
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Post by LisaDV on Aug 27, 2018 11:07:19 GMT
This is so interesting, as the square footage is of prime importance here. And it's quite easy to determine. Multiply the width x the length of each room. Bathrooms and diets are not supposed to be included but considering the size of some I see on HGTV I bet they are. My house is 1076 sq ft. It started out much smaller and rooms were expanded, made larger, plus 2 were added. We know how to work it out but we tend to look at each room size individually rather than the overall square footage. If I was looking at buying a house I would want to know the length/width of the kitchen, the sitting room etc then the bedrooms etc because then I can compare it to my current home. If I read that it was, for arguments sake 1000sq feet I would have no idea if that was bigger or smaller that where I live now. It’s just not how we do things 🙂 The overall SF of the house is listed but also the actual length/width of the rooms are listed as well on the sales sheet here in the US. You can't include a below ground basement in the calculations, although I've had realtors that would include one if it had windows to the outside and one that wouldn't. The total property size is also listed. When I'm looking to buy, I place a minimum on overall SF like I want nothing under 1200 SF. For me, I'd also place a minimum on the lot size. *I also place a minimum on bedrooms (no less than 3) and bathrooms (not less than 2). Then look at the results, which almost always have photos of each room attached. I usually keep the room dimensions in my head for about 6 months, then promptly forget them until I want to paint and have to remeasure. I usually round overall SF of the house and keep that in my head. I can tell you the SF of my previous 3 houses.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 27, 2018 11:08:52 GMT
Yes, I do know the overall square footage, but we also considered individual room sizes when looking for a home.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 27, 2018 11:10:32 GMT
We have only ever purchased one home, and it was new construction, but even when deciding on what apartments to rent square footage was a big consideration. Price, location, square footage were all considered before we decided to even go look at a place. Didn't want to waste time with something obviously too small or large. Having a floor plan was ideal because I could knock quite a few out of contention that way as well. And when comparing fairly similar apartments or house plans, price per square foot was helpful. For example, you could see that in a certain area of town you were going to get much less space for your money. Or that one builder was quite a bit pricier than others, but the materials used reflected that. If similar sized house plans were priced the same, but the materials were not similar, you'd want to know why.
Our average sizes vary so much, even from state to state. Our very modest 2400 sq foot house would be considered huge in a lot of metro areas and some states, but is on the smaller end in our section of the neighborhood. And I imagine pretty average to below in size for the state.
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Post by iluvpink on Aug 27, 2018 11:10:56 GMT
Yes, we just bought our house last October. It has 1564 sq feet. Which is a bit on the small size today for most in the U.S. it seems. But after 20 years of living in a house just over 1,000 sq feet, it is huge to us. Plenty of room for three people.
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Post by gar on Aug 27, 2018 11:23:27 GMT
dewryce - I think we basically all consider the same things, just in different ways. I think we probably judge overall sq footage in our heads here but estate agents (realtors) include floor plans when they list properties for sale too so you can see the overall space just the same 🙂
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Post by dewryce on Aug 27, 2018 11:32:04 GMT
dewryce - I think we basically all consider the same things, just in different ways. I think we probably judge overall sq footage in our heads here but estate agents (realtors) include floor plans when they list properties for sale too so you can see the overall space just the same 🙂 Not that I'll ever be in the market for international property *sighs*, but the thought of not having that number is making me anxious. To not be able to look at the listings and narrow them down, make a quick judgement like "no way would our stuff fit in that space" and "squee think of how spacious that would be" to "babe we'd have to install an intercom to speak to each other throughout the house."
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Post by Linda on Aug 27, 2018 12:10:31 GMT
our house is 2100 sq ft which is big to me (our last house had twice as many people living in it - 6 vs 3) and was only 1200 sq ft.
US listings tend to show sq ft and photos but not individual room sizes or floor plans. I prefer UK listings to be honest - the floor plan makes such a difference.
I wonder if the fact that US houses tend to be bigger and size is often a selling point here is partly why sq ft is so important to include in listings here? I seem to remember that UK houses were smaller and more compact but laid out with much less wasted space (more efficient floorplans) in many cases.
and sq ft is usually only finished and heated (or cooled depending on where it is) space - not attics/cellars/garages. My house is a mobile home and lacks all of those but many houses have almost the same amount of sq ft again in unfinished space.
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Post by lbp on Aug 27, 2018 12:17:14 GMT
Yep! 3400 sq. feet
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Post by Kerri W on Aug 27, 2018 12:23:49 GMT
We know how to work it out but we tend to look at each room size individually rather than the overall square footage. If I was looking at buying a house I would want to know the length/width of the kitchen, the sitting room etc then the bedrooms etc because then I can compare it to my current home. If I read that it was, for arguments sake 1000sq feet I would have no idea if that was bigger or smaller that where I live now. It’s just not how we do things 🙂 The overall SF of the house is listed but also the actual length/width of the rooms are listed as well on the sales sheet here in the US. You can't include a below ground basement in the calculations, although I've had realtors that would include one if it had windows to the outside and one that wouldn't. The total property size is also listed. When I'm looking to buy, I place a minimum on overall SF like I want nothing under 1200 SF. For me, I'd also place a minimum on the lot size. *I also place a minimum on bedrooms (no less than 3) and bathrooms (not less than 2). Then look at the results, which almost always have photos of each room attached. I usually keep the room dimensions in my head for about 6 months, then promptly forget them until I want to paint and have to remeasure. I usually round overall SF of the house and keep that in my head. I can tell you the SF of my previous 3 houses. Not so in all markets in the US. It is not common for room measurements to be listed in our markets. And ANSI standards, which is what our state realtor board goes by, identify any finished (with heat) space to be included in the square footage. Figuring sq ft can get tricky when it comes to wall heights, sloped ceilings and stairways.
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 27, 2018 12:26:27 GMT
Yes; over 4500 hsf (plus unheated 3-car garage, covered front & rear porches, mechanical attic). In my state of residence, only space that is climate-controlled can be included in the square footage calculation. It's my understanding such guidelines vary by state.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 27, 2018 12:31:47 GMT
In estate agents' listings, the room sizes are mostly included. Actually I just had a look at one of of our local estate agents' website and the total floor area is listed. It's just not something that is important in our criteria for buying. The usability of the space is much more important than the amount of it. I've just recalculated and removing the unheated conservatory and the staircase, our house measures 1150 square feet. Is that considered spacious in US terms? I have no idea. In British terms, it has 3 bedrooms and a box room, a family bathroom, an ensuite and a loo under the stairs, and a good-sized kitchen. Again that is by British standards - it's big enough to have a table at one end, which most kitchens don't. You would include the staircase. Any finished areas of a house are included. So, the unheated conservatory would not be included.
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