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Post by MichyM on Sept 20, 2018 22:02:12 GMT
Let me preface this by saying that I’m a cat girl, and my cats have always been “mutts.” The two I have now are feral rescues. That said, the other day I got sucked into googling the Cavapoo (King Charles Cavalier and Poodle). Ridiculously cute. The first site I went to charges $6,500 per dog. For a MUTT. They aren’t an AKC recognized breed....I don’t think. The second site I went to has them priced STARTING at $15,000 up to $23,000 depending on how long they’ve been trained. FOR A MUTT. trainedcavs.com/puppies/trixie_sep18/I’m flabbergasted. I’ve heard the term designer dog, but boy, I never knew. Holy cow. And no, I’m not buying one. What’s the most expensive dog you’ve known of? |
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Post by busy on Sept 20, 2018 22:12:53 GMT
They are not a breed. Pretending mutts are breeds and charging ridiculous prices for them infuriates me. It's so irresponsible.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 20, 2018 22:13:33 GMT
The highest price I ever heard for a full breed dog, with AKC papers, is $5,000 - $7,000. For a mutt, $15,000 +++ that’s crazy.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 20, 2018 22:16:37 GMT
It's stories like this that make me a bit irritated. I can understand someone being into show dogs as a hobby like gmcwife1. I have a good friend from highschool who also shows dogs. But I can't understand average, everyday people just dropping $6000-$15,000 on a dog when there are so many homeless dogs sitting in shelters. I am of the adopt, don't shop variety. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 20, 2018 22:22:52 GMT
They are not a breed. Pretending mutts are breeds and charging ridiculous prices for them infuriates me. It's so irresponsible. It drives me crazy!!! I don't really know expensive dogs, I know a lot of people that show dogs, but those are all AKC recognized breeds. I do know some of the IPO German imported sport dogs are more expensive and just doing IPO seems really expensive. But I don't really know the cost of most of them, I would never feel comfortable asking.
The Saint Bernard National show is going on right now in Lincoln City Oregon and I do know a couple of the top winners down there. I think they are pretty pricey, I'm going to guess them to be between $2500 - $5000. But that is a complete guess.
I can tell you that none of my purebred dogs have cost over $1500. One of them is a pet from a backyard breeder, one is a performance dog (obedience/agility/4-H) and my boy is a show/performance dog with three titles. And they still didn't cost as much as some of these designer/mixed breeds from usually un-health tested parents.
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Post by rickmer on Sept 20, 2018 22:22:57 GMT
okay, so they are cute. but no cuter than 100s of other dogs... that seems CRAZY!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 20, 2018 22:26:04 GMT
It's stories like this that make me a bit irritated. I can understand someone being into show dogs as a hobby like gmcwife1 . I have a good friend from highschool who also shows dogs. But I can't understand average, everyday people just dropping $6000-$15,000 on a dog when there are so many homeless dogs sitting in shelters. I am of the adopt, don't shop variety. 
We couldn't even afford $6,000 - $15,000 for a show horse!! I think even our (family) show horses were all still under $2,000. - $3,000.
I did get lucky and the breeder of my show dog does not charge the going rate for my breed. Apparently she does get some flack from people in the breed because of that 
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Post by YooHoot on Sept 20, 2018 22:29:51 GMT
I have a mini labradoodle. He wa a rescue. Sign up for rescues in your area. You might get lucky.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 20, 2018 22:32:12 GMT
I am of the adopt, don't shop variety. I did for my first two dogs..Miss Harper came from a reputable breeder with AKC papers...$700...that included her 1st 3 vet visits, shots and removal of dew claws. I get the adopt don't shop--BUT there are many rescues that are horrible, aren't truthful etc..Just like some breeders. So that saying always bothers me |
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Post by Patter on Sept 20, 2018 22:32:54 GMT
What you just shared is the most expensive dog I have heard of. That's crazy! I will take my full breed rough collies any day.  |
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 20, 2018 22:37:22 GMT
Those prices are ridiculous, but you’re paying for the 6 months of training, not just the dog. A cavapoo here would cost between $1200 - $1800 (still high for a ‘mutt’).
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 20, 2018 22:40:59 GMT
I don’t get designer dogs. AT ALL. The whole reason I prefer a specific breed is because you, for the most part, know what you’re getting in to. I know that a St. Bernard will be large, and slobbery, and shed, but it will also be fairly low-energy, calm, and a homebody.
If I mix it with a husky, will I have a low-energy or high-energy dog? It’s a crap shoot. So, if I’m taking a chance on temperament, why not rescue a dog from a shelter?
My sister got a designer dog a few months ago, and paid (I think) $2800 for it.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 20, 2018 22:47:48 GMT
Is it because they are hypoallergenic? I understand why people pay more when they have allergies. I prefer breathing. |
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Post by busy on Sept 20, 2018 22:48:59 GMT
I don’t get designer dogs. AT ALL. The whole reason I prefer a specific breed is because you, for the most part, know what you’re getting in to. I know that a St. Bernard will be large, and slobbery, and shed, but it will also be fairly low-energy, calm, and a homebody.
If I mix it with a husky, will I have a low-energy or high-energy dog? It’s a crap shoot. So, if I’m taking a chance on temperament, why not rescue a dog from a shelter?My sister got a designer dog a few months ago, and paid (I think) $2800 for it. Exactly! |
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Post by papersilly on Sept 20, 2018 22:49:12 GMT
they are only worth that much if people are willing to pay that much.
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Post by busy on Sept 20, 2018 22:51:21 GMT
Is it because they are hypoallergenic? I understand why people pay more when they have allergies. I prefer breathing. But they aren't necessarily. There's no such thing as a truly hypoallergenic dog. It's true that poodles are often less reactive for many people with allergies, but then get a poodle. The offspring of a poodle and anything can just as well end up with the coat of the non-poodle and be as allergenic as a lab, golden, or whatever the heck the mix is. |
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 20, 2018 22:55:07 GMT
But they aren't necessarily. There's no such thing as a truly hypoallergenic dog. It's true that poodles are often less reactive for many people with allergies, but then get a poodle. The offspring of a poodle and anything can just as well end up with the coat of the non-poodle and be as allergenic as a lab, golden, or whatever the heck the mix is. I've never looked into it much, just remembered the Obamas getting a dog that was supposedly hypoallergenic. I'm not a fan of poodles. |
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Post by shannoots on Sept 20, 2018 23:00:14 GMT
We paid $1200 for our Goldendoodle. We have thought about getting another so I've looked around and it seems that they have gone up in price in the five years since we got her.
Before anyone goes off on me for not getting a dog at the humane society.....I had two rescue dogs before my goldendoodle. I had to get rid of both dogs because they bit my children (my son had to go to the ER after the second dog bit him and he still has a scar on his lip). I know that not all rescue dogs are like that but I wanted a little more control of what I was getting and I knew the history of Lulu before we got her. She really is the best dog too and I don't regret spending that much money on her.
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Post by busy on Sept 20, 2018 23:00:21 GMT
But they aren't necessarily. There's no such thing as a truly hypoallergenic dog. It's true that poodles are often less reactive for many people with allergies, but then get a poodle. The offspring of a poodle and anything can just as well end up with the coat of the non-poodle and be as allergenic as a lab, golden, or whatever the heck the mix is. I've never looked into it much, just remembered the Obamas getting a dog that was supposedly hypoallergenic. I'm not a fan of poodles. They had Portuguese Water Dogs, which are a real recognized breed, not "doodles" of any kind. They have similar coat to Poodles, so are tolerated by some people with allergies. But again... there's no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog. Some people with dog allergies even react to hairless breeds. |
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Post by christine58 on Sept 20, 2018 23:06:26 GMT
I know that not all rescue dogs are like that but I wanted a little more control of what I was getting and I knew the history of Lulu before we got her. She really is the best dog too and I don't regret spending that much money on her. pure bred dogs....ANY dog will bite, can be nasty...so just because it's a golden doodle doesn't mean nothing bad will happen. just saying... |
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Post by shannoots on Sept 20, 2018 23:22:17 GMT
I know that not all rescue dogs are like that but I wanted a little more control of what I was getting and I knew the history of Lulu before we got her. She really is the best dog too and I don't regret spending that much money on her. pure bred dogs....ANY dog will bite, can be nasty...so just because it's a golden doodle doesn't mean nothing bad will happen. just saying... Oh I know that. I just felt like I had a better idea of what I was getting for many reasons. I did a lot of research before we bought her and I know that doesn't guarantee anything but I felt more comfortable based on what I learned. After having her for five years, I would honestly be shocked if she bit someone but I'm not naive enough to think it couldn't happen. |
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Post by christine58 on Sept 20, 2018 23:36:15 GMT
Oh I know that. I just felt like I had a better idea of what I was getting for many reasons. I did a lot of research before we bought her and I know that doesn't guarantee anything but I felt more comfortable based on what I learned. After having her for five years, I would honestly be shocked if she bit someone but I'm not naive enough to think it couldn't happen. A lot of people are naive... Funny story..my last dog was a chow/lab mix. Loved her to death...still miss her 18months later. So I am in the grocery store looking at treats and this lady asked me about the ones I was looking at..blah blah blah. She says to me.."what kind of dog do you have?" So I tell her..lab/chow mix. She says "Oh so she's a mutt" (like really looking down her nose at me). She was so condescending. I ignored the comment. So I ask her the same question and she says a malti-poo (or something like that..small dog mix). I looked her square in the face and said "Oh so you have a mutt too"...she turned and walked away. Guess the truth hurt |
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Post by carhoch on Sept 21, 2018 0:02:04 GMT
Does” breeders/crooks “ are good if they find people dumb enough to pay that much money for a mutt.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 21, 2018 0:23:51 GMT
Oh I know that. I just felt like I had a better idea of what I was getting for many reasons. I did a lot of research before we bought her and I know that doesn't guarantee anything but I felt more comfortable based on what I learned. After having her for five years, I would honestly be shocked if she bit someone but I'm not naive enough to think it couldn't happen. A lot of people are naive... Funny story..my last dog was a chow/lab mix. Loved her to death...still miss her 18months later. So I am in the grocery store looking at treats and this lady asked me about the ones I was looking at..blah blah blah. She says to me.."what kind of dog do you have?" So I tell her..lab/chow mix. She says "Oh so she's a mutt" (like really looking down her nose at me). She was so condescending. I ignored the comment. So I ask her the same question and she says a malti-poo (or something like that..small dog mix). I looked her square in the face and said "Oh so you have a mutt too"...she turned and walked away. Guess the truth hurt  Best answer ever!!! I love that you told her the truth!
I have no problem with mixed breeds, I have no problem with purebreds. I do have a problem with irresponsible breeders and people breeding mixed breeds and selling them for ridiculous prices and/or trying to pass them off as a breed.
Most people start out owning dogs as a pet. Some people move on from being pet dog owners and get into activities with their dogs, showing, performance sports (agility/obedience) or working activities (herding/urban mushing/hunting). As people own more dogs or start doing more things with their dogs they learn a lot more about different types of dog ownership.
I love my breed. I love being part of my breed's family and my breed club. I love promoting my breed and educating people on my breed. I don't think my breed is for everyone and I don't think everyone wants a purebred or to invest in their dog like me or my friends do.
I also don't think everyone should adopt or buy a rescue dog. I don't think it's a one size fits all situation
I support responsible breeding. For me responsible breeding means a contract that requires the owner to return the dog to the breeder, NOT a shelter when they can no longer take care of the dog. A responsible breeder health tests their breeding stock for genetic diseases found in their breed (Samoyeds test hips, eyes, hearts). A responsible breeder does not breed for the money, they breed to improve the breed or because they feel they are contributing to the breed.
Our first Samoyed was from a back yard breeder. One that to a newbie sounded great, but was not a responsible breeder. He was diagnosed with hip dysplasia at 2. He was not well breed and the dog paid for it with a shorter life then he could have had
The issue many of us have with the designer dogs is that you would never/rarely catch a responsible breeder selling a quality purebred knowing that someone was going to breed it for mixed breed dogs. So what most of these designer dogs come from are not the best quality dogs in either of their breeds. When they are breeding less than the best dogs together you are going to get inferior dogs and health and/or temperament issues will start showing up in the puppies.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 21, 2018 0:27:18 GMT
Sorry for the soapbox  I forget how passionate I get about dog breeding  |
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Post by christine58 on Sept 21, 2018 0:30:18 GMT
I have no problem with mixed breeds, I have no problem with purebreds. I do have a problem with irresponsible breeders and people breeding mixed breeds and selling them for ridiculous prices and/or trying to pass them off as a breed. I completely agree |
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Post by mikewozowski on Sept 21, 2018 0:33:01 GMT
some of thta priceis for the pre-training.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 21, 2018 0:49:03 GMT
Those are some crazy puppy training prices 
The German Shepherd Breeder that we are looking at decided that her puppy pick out of her last litter was not a good fit for her program. The dog is 10 months old, has a 3 yr health guarantee, has a few months of IPO (protection sport) training and was $3,000. Her mom has excellent hips, her dad has normal or good hips (the next level down from excellent) and both have passed all their other typical health screenings for GSDs (which I can't remember what those are). I can't imagine how or why normal puppy housetraining, socialization and beginning obedience training would cost that much.
Cavaliers are a great dog, but they have a neurological disorder in the breed that is very worrisome. For the prices shown I would want to see titles on both ends of those dogs. Champion on the front and some type of performance titles on the back, since they mention obedience training |
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Post by artisticscrapper on Sept 21, 2018 1:24:46 GMT
I’ve never understood the mixed breed thing. The results aren’t consistent and there’s no actual standard so how do they know what they’re getting? I guess a boat load of money is the answer.
My friend had a whoops breeding of her chihuahua with a cocker spaniel. ( Yeah, okay, not quite sure about the logistics here). I told
her she could make some money sellin the puppies as designer dogs—the cockihuahua.
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Post by pepperwood on Sept 21, 2018 1:36:48 GMT
In addition to neurological issues, Cavaliers are also highly prone to mitral valve disease. There is a breeding protocol (https://cavalierhealth.org/mvdprotocol.htm) that reduces, but does not eliminate, the changes of disease. I don't know if cross breeding with poodles would reduce the likelihood of hereditary cavalier diseases. Cavaliers are beautiful dogs with wonderful dispositions. I love the cavalier that I got through Cavalier rescue to bits. I knew about the health risks going into it, but MVD is heartbreaking and expensive.
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Best answer ever!!! I love that you told her the truth!
I forget how passionate I get about dog breeding 
