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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 20:50:59 GMT
They don't want no stinkin' facts. Not really. They mouth the words but the only word they will accept is "guilty".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
Agreed, and this is why a large group of women who know him well, friends with, worked for him, with him and dated him, have come forward together and vouched for his impeccable character and treatment of women. That is one of many things (despite the one sided narrative here declaring him automatically guilty as if it's fact) to consider in favor of believing him. Not saying anyone should believe him or not believe him, just something favorable to consider. That is true, but how many times have we heard about serial rapists or killers where people say " OMG, I never in a million years would have thought it was him/her" paul Bernardo raped and killed more than a dozen prostitutes in Toronto, then went on to abduct 2 teen girls AND raped and killed his wife's 14 year old SISTER. He was "well respected in his field, people loved him and NOBODY knew until he was caught." His wife participated freely and same thing. " They were the sweetest couple." I would never think she would be like that..etc etc... That's not evidence of any facts in this case. It doesn't make a lick of sense why you feel you can speculate to your heart's content about his guilt based on random theories based on other unrelated cases, but you smear to high heaven those who speculate on her accusation based on the specific facts and questions born of the facts and evidence of this case.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:03:18 GMT
Bravo, Ricky.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 21:09:13 GMT
I hope like hell there is an investigation, we should know one way or the other. This whole leveling an accusation then refusing to participate in the hearing is bullshit, as is him discouraging an investigation. ALL three women at present have stated they would be willing to speak at the hearing, Dr Ford is scheduled for tomorrow. All three have requested to speak to the FBI? They have been denied. And the Senate Judiciary Committee has refused the appearance of the two at a hearing. Just so you know, you don't just walk into the FBI to chat. BTDT. The other person made the appointment. I drove us to our local FBI office. If you are not invited, there is no way to even know there is an FBI there. We went through at least 3 sets of thick multilocked steel doors. Oh, they had peep holes, and you had to show ID at every door. You were then escorted to a room with little decoration. We were there to talk. It is very intimidating.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:10:54 GMT
Dr Ford it is my understanding is still putting conditions on her testimony.
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Post by mustlovecats on Sept 26, 2018 21:13:24 GMT
because having some people be shitty on a message board you choose to go to is totally like having your character assassinated after reporting a sexual assault Why ignore where it originated to battle someone for saying it who didn't conceive of it? what?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:14:33 GMT
And Ramirez's attorney, when approached about her testifying has responded that in order to see the "evidence", all people have to do is read the New Yorker. Yep, the New Yorker is "evidence.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 21:19:28 GMT
I never told my mom about my assault, either. Like you, I didn't want to worry her. There are many reasons girls and women don't report immediately. It makes me sick that victims are forced to explain this to people who are quick to judge their actions. In a way, I'm glad for people who will never understand the shame and horror that exist in the aftermath of an assault. It's a terrible thing that I would not wish on anyone. It's galling to read "but what about the poor men" over and over and over. What about the women whose bodies and minds will never be the same again? What about us? I don't believe you were assaulted. I think you're just using the #metoo mentality. It's something you can add to your never-ending list of why your bitter and angry. You know, you're black, you've been oppressed, white priviledge, now it's abuse. You are one fucked up bitch. The planet would be better off without you.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:20:09 GMT
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 26, 2018 21:23:45 GMT
I don't believe you were assaulted. I think you're just using the #metoo mentality. It's something you can add to your never-ending list of why your bitter and angry. You know, you're black, you've been oppressed, white priviledge, now it's abuse. You are one fucked up bitch. The planet would be better off without you. Just ignore her. Everyone else is.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:24:47 GMT
She won't. She can't.
Then again, most of the time, you don't either.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 26, 2018 21:30:20 GMT
I think Kavenaugh's new strategy is going to bite him in the ass. I am always inclined to believe an alleged victim giving them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So I was interested to hear interviews, evidence, the hearing, etc.
Regardless of how you feel about alleged assaults, he is of terrible character and is clearly a manipulative liar. That right there is all we need to determine he is not fit for the Supreme Court. The assaults are just the consequences of his character.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 21:35:04 GMT
Ahhh, she’s deleting her posts now!
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:36:18 GMT
I think Kavenaugh's new strategy is going to bite him in the ass. I am always inclined to believe an alleged victim giving them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So I was interested to hear interviews, evidence, the hearing, etc. Regardless of how you feel about alleged assaults, he is of terrible character and is clearly a manipulative liar. That right there is all we need to determine he is not fit for the Supreme Court. The assaults are just the consequences of his character. So in other words, "guilty until proven innocent". I hope your husband or your son is faced with the same standard you impose on other men. That they have to prove their innocence. I love how liberals tout the Constitution and then come out with this bullshit.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:36:58 GMT
Ahhh, she’s deleting her posts now! I haven't deleted anything. BZZXZZZZZZ.. I think it's working. She's losing her ability to see posts. BZZZZZZZ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:37:32 GMT
On CNN they just reported that she does not claim that Judge and Kavanaugh raped her, but stated that they were present and witnessed her rape by others. CNN has wanted to vet the claims in the statement before reporting them, and it has made it somewhat confusing as more and more of what is in the document continues to be revealed. (I’m fine with them taking their time, but it is making it more confusing to figure out what is exactly being charged) FYI the victim's statement just says that they were present - doesn't claim that they witnessed her rape. You can read it in its entirety here: www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/read-full-sworn-statement-from-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick.htmlInteresting. The big question is, if Julie Swetnick and her friends knew that girls were being drugged and gang raped at these parties, why did they keep going? And why since the weren't victims themselves and weren't subject to the psychology of lack of victim reporting, why did they not report it? Why did the not go to the police? Or a parent, trusted adult, principal, teacher or guidance counselor?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:42:23 GMT
Yep, in other words, they stood by knowing it was going on and did nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:44:02 GMT
You are one fucked up bitch. The planet would be better off without you. Just ignore her. Everyone else is. No they aren't. Ive already lost count of how many have engaged with her.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 21:49:35 GMT
Including Pretty in Pink. They also love to instigate and then turn around and point the finger. Shrug.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 21:52:11 GMT
She stated she was drugged and raped!
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 26, 2018 21:59:42 GMT
I think Kavenaugh's new strategy is going to bite him in the ass. I am always inclined to believe an alleged victim giving them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So I was interested to hear interviews, evidence, the hearing, etc. Regardless of how you feel about alleged assaults, he is of terrible character and is clearly a manipulative liar. That right there is all we need to determine he is not fit for the Supreme Court. The assaults are just the consequences of his character. I've said it a few times that I'm truly dumbfounded at his insistence on sticking to the choirboy image over all the evidence to the contrary. Whether or not sexual assault was involved, he has clearly lied about being a party boy.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 26, 2018 22:05:19 GMT
I think Kavenaugh's new strategy is going to bite him in the ass. I am always inclined to believe an alleged victim giving them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So I was interested to hear interviews, evidence, the hearing, etc. Regardless of how you feel about alleged assaults, he is of terrible character and is clearly a manipulative liar. That right there is all we need to determine he is not fit for the Supreme Court. The assaults are just the consequences of his character. I've said it a few times that I'm truly dumbfounded at his insistence on sticking to the choirboy image over all the evidence to the contrary. Whether or not sexual assault was involved, he has clearly lied about being a party boy. I agree and it makes me wonder, if he's willing to lie about his character even with evidence readily available to the contrary, what else is he lying about that he thinks is deeply buried?
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 26, 2018 22:06:40 GMT
Exactly. Not only that, but how stupid do you really think people are?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 26, 2018 22:10:18 GMT
Exactly. Not only that, but how stupid do you really think people are? What's the percentage of the population that still believes Trump? I'd say he has good reason to expect that many will believe him no matter what he says.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 22:12:51 GMT
What we need to remember! The Boys’ Club That Protects Brett KavanaughBy Emily Witt September 22, 2018 At élite institutions like Georgetown Prep, where Brett Kavanaugh was a student, high school doesn’t end when you’re eighteen; it’s a lifelong circle of mutual support. AC-span clip has been circulating online. It dates from September 6th, the third day of the Senate hearings to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. In the video, John Neely Kennedy, the Republican senator from Louisiana, asked Kavanaugh about his time at Georgetown Preparatory School, the Jesuit boys’ school he attended. “I can tell from your testimony those were formative years for you,” Kennedy said, in his Southern drawl. “Very formative,” Kavanaugh replied. In a statement following his nomination, on July 9th, Kavanaugh referred to the Georgetown Prep motto, “Men for others.” Several dozen of his former classmates signed a letter to the leaders of the Senate Judiciary Committee, saying that “he remains the same grounded and approachable person that we met in High School.” “What was it like for you?” Kennedy asked. “What were you like?”
Kavanaugh appeared to blush slightly. He made eye contact and nodded at someone unseen. He half laughed, as if unsure whether the question was serious. “Were you a John-Boy Walton type, or a Ferris Bueller type?” Kennedy probed.
Kavanaugh laughed more, encouraged by others laughing around him, but he didn’t answer. By all indications, he was not the bookish, responsible John-Boy Walton. (That more accurately describes Justice Neil Gorsuch, who also graduated from Georgetown Prep.) Kavanaugh said, “I loved sports, first and foremost.” He played football and basketball. He furrowed his brow as he became more reflective. He worked hard at school, he continued. He had a lot of friends. Some of his friends had been attending the hearings. “You left out the trouble part. I was waiting for that,” Kennedy said.
Kavanaugh looked uncomfortable. “Uh, right,” he said. “That’s encompassed under the friends.” He tried smiling again.“Now, see, I was going to ask the judge, if not him but any of his underage running buddies tried to sneak a few beers past Jesus or something like that in high school,” Kennedy said. “But I’m not going to go there.” Kavanaugh smiled.** All this shit happens, and then nobody really wants to talk about it, because if one person crumbles, the whole system crumbles, and everybody tells on everybody.” I spoke with another Georgetown Prep alumnus, who hated high school but still didn’t want to go on the record about what it was like there. Even for those who take less pride in the institution, what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep. In 1990, seven years after Kavanaugh graduated, four students were expelled from the school for participating in a hazing ritual called “butting.” According to the Washington Post, which reported on the fallout from the expulsions, in the ritual, “a student is held down while another student places his naked buttocks close to the victim’s face.” ** Meanwhile, less good behavior would be tolerated, as long as it happened under the veil of drunkenness, or as a joke. The Jesuit fathers would turn a blind eye to the yearbook, and U.S. senators would chuckle at frat-boy antics. In this world, high school doesn’t end when you’re eighteen; it’s a lifelong circle of mutual support, an in-crowd that protects itself. www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-boys-club-that-protects-brett-kavanaugh
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 26, 2018 22:13:12 GMT
Exactly. Not only that, but how stupid do you really think people are? What's the percentage of the population that still believes Trump? I'd say he has good reason to expect that many will believe him no matter what he says. True
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:14:18 GMT
She stated she was drugged and raped! Okay, I was unaware of that, I thought she was only a witness. After reading her full statement, I still don't understand why BEFORE she became a victim she knew about what was going on at theses parties and yet kept going to these parties at the very least. But also why she failed to report when she knew it was happening to other girls.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 26, 2018 22:29:32 GMT
I think Kavenaugh's new strategy is going to bite him in the ass. I am always inclined to believe an alleged victim giving them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So I was interested to hear interviews, evidence, the hearing, etc. Regardless of how you feel about alleged assaults, he is of terrible character and is clearly a manipulative liar. That right there is all we need to determine he is not fit for the Supreme Court. The assaults are just the consequences of his character. I've said it a few times that I'm truly dumbfounded at his insistence on sticking to the choirboy image over all the evidence to the contrary. Whether or not sexual assault was involved, he has clearly lied about being a party boy. Yeah, that choirboy facade is just that, IMO.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 22:30:28 GMT
She stated she was drugged and raped! Okay, I was unaware of that, I thought she was only a witness. After reading her full statement, I still don't understand why BEFORE she became a victim she knew about what was going on at theses parties and yet kept going to these parties at the very least. But also why she failed to report when she knew it was happening to other girls. More victim shaming going on I see, figures. Par for the course.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 22:36:57 GMT
Yeah, that choirboy facade is just that, IMO. His opening statement says he did drink beer, and sometimes too much on weekends.
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