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Post by cindytred on Nov 5, 2018 1:33:54 GMT
I want to open a scrapbook/craft store here in SW Houston. Yah or Nay? Do you think scrapbooking has died off and it wouldn't support a LSS now?
Cindy
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Post by mom on Nov 5, 2018 1:43:28 GMT
No way would I open a LSS. You have to sell a crap ton of paper to make the rent and I just don't see it as possible with so many online stores that can carry everything. It is impossible to compete with online stores when you have to pay rent, pay employees, etc. Overhead will kill you before you even start.
I own my own small business (not scrapbook store) and it is a tough gig. Taxes are a huge issue as well.
Another thing I have learned is that you can love a hobby but as soon as you open a store doing that 'hobby' it no longer is fun. Its work and it sucks the joy right out of your hobby,
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Post by don on Nov 5, 2018 1:50:16 GMT
If you have a business degree, a scrapbook background, know how to manage people (customers, vendors and employees), and have enough money for stock and enough money to carry you for 1 year (2 is better), then why not.
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Post by pancakes on Nov 5, 2018 1:55:59 GMT
No. The foot traffic you’d get is not worth the overhead cost. I don’t think you’d make your break even every month.
Opening a store online? Maybe. I think the key to this industry right now is differentiation via new product. If you aren’t designing new product, there are plenty of other competitors just selling the same few scrapbook lines right now that are doing the exact same thing.
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Post by leeny on Nov 5, 2018 2:02:52 GMT
There are still scrapbook stores around. You would need to figure out just the right formula; knowing that the community would support it, have plenty of space and activities, etc. Good luck!
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Post by natlhol on Nov 5, 2018 2:17:05 GMT
No, I don't think it would be a mistake but I would consider these things:
Asking the Small Business Administration for help with start up info and then look hard at all the financials. Figure out how you are going to staff the business. Will you be the only person in the store all of the time? Can you afford a part-timer? Look at all of this realistically not best case scenario.
Ask people, lots of people!, what they like best and what they like least about brick and mortar scrap stores. Take lots of notes. Can you implement those comments? Can you keep it going while you build your client base? How will you build your client base? Will you advertise? How? Will you offer coupons? How? Coupons really bring in customers especially since you will be fighting Michaels, Hobby Lobby, etc.
The closest scrap store to me (it closed a few years ago) used to make me nuts with the way they did a few things. First, and this is a big one!, the staff used to act like they were doing everyone a favor by even being open. I mean the attitude of these women was just too much. The owner was always in the back at her desk and not out front talking to the customers, even just to say hi. The value of being nice and friendly cannot be measured in dollars and cents, but is integral in the success of a small business. Like most people, I'm more likely to shop at a store where I like to spend time browsing. I like to spend time browsing in stores where the people are friendly.
Second, the store offered crops but they were always, always at the same time. I asked if they would consider offering them at a different time just occasionally and was told no. It would have been nice to have my request not cut off so quickly, but I already said they weren't so nice. But the thing is, for every one person that asks for something, there are lots that aren't asking but want the same thing. My point is to try to be flexible with crops and classes to accommodate lots of schedules. And offer some in the daytime!
It's hard for small scrap businesses to rival the online offerings but it's important to keep fresh stock. Have a plan for what you will do with stock that is not moving. Consider focusing on certain lines if necessary and foregoing others. This would be best discovered with customer surveys or just asking every customer or potential customer what they'd like to see in your store. (The store near me ended up having stale stock. New stuff came in at a snail's pace.)
I loved that the store offered a garage sale for their customers with the participants' proceeds being used as a credit in the store. They charged a fee for table space (one fee for half a 6 foot table and a separate fee for the whole table.)
The store had an enclosed area for kiddos that had a tv and DVDs, and some toys. The walls surrounding the area were half walls so the kids could be heard and seen but wouldn't be able to get hurt, wander away, or play with the stock.
There was not a bathroom in the store, but they shared space in a building that did have bathrooms available. They were close to the store entrance. Although we had to leave the store to go potty, we didn't have to leave the building. It's important to have a place for customers use a rest room because they are more likely to linger and browse or more likely to participate in crops/classes if there is a bathroom available.
I love to support the local businesses, especially small businesses, and would definitely try your store before shopping online. Also, I really miss being able to touch and see scrap supplies!
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Post by garagesaler on Nov 5, 2018 2:19:37 GMT
There is a small scrapbook store near me. I see several people go in all of the time, and visit and chat with the owner. I rarely see them buy anything. The rare times I go there, I shop. She does classes, and that seems to help bring people in. It is just so hard for scrapbook stores to compete with stores like Hobby Lobby and Michaels and Joann’s. Do you have any scrapbook groups locally that you can ask?
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Post by msliz on Nov 5, 2018 2:22:56 GMT
Don't. Never open a business that depends on people's fun money.
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Post by Citygirl on Nov 5, 2018 3:35:12 GMT
Opening any small business will be a risk and a ton of work.
They are few and far between but LSS do still exist. There is one in my city and it does quite well. I think you would have to do a lot of research prior to opening.
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Post by anniefb on Nov 5, 2018 4:23:32 GMT
No not with LSS closing left right and centre.
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Post by grammadee on Nov 5, 2018 4:44:40 GMT
Is there a sb store that is closing out that you are looking to purchase or take over an established clientele, space, and shelving etc? Or would you be starting from scratch?
Or could you start small, say from your home? I know a lady who started by taking on line orders, began stocking popular items in her home, then moved on to a B&M store downtown. It kept her overhead down until she had an established group of customers and a well stocked inventory.
Do you know of a reliable supplier? What about reliable courier or postal service? One way to stay current and reduce overhead is to start out by taking pre-orders. That way you know the merchandise is sold when you order it. But people get frustrated if they have pre ordered from you and they realize they could have the product in hand from someone else before you can provide it.
Are there other stores in the area? (as in competition?) Do you have lots of contacts to bring people into your store? Are they people who prefer to shop in person rather than on line?
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Post by scrapnnana on Nov 5, 2018 5:08:37 GMT
There are 3 in the DFW area, all spaced quite a ways apart.
I lived many years in Northern Virginia. At one point in our area, we had five LSS. When the last one closed, the owner tried to sell it, but the only offer she got was too low, so she just did sales to recover what she could.
Right after she closed, I discovered a new paper arts store. It has stock for scrapbookers, but also those who want to do art journals, mixed media, and other paper arts. She seemed to do really well, but I think she found a location that was affordable, and that was not so far away from where the last LSS had been. That was a good area, with a lot of crafters. Location matters, both for overhead costs and for customers.
Some areas will support having a scrapbook store, some won't. Scrapbookers who want to open a store but have no business expertise do not usually do well. Also, if you open a store, you will never have time to scrapbook again.
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Post by scrappermcg on Nov 5, 2018 5:24:40 GMT
From a shopper point of view I would say do lots of research. On-line always has the latest and greatest. Most brick/mortar craft stores can't move the stock and so they are stuck with old product on the shelf. Customers like to see new IMO and that's hard to do for small business because of the cost associated with running a store front. Even my local Joann rarely stocks new stuff!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Nov 5, 2018 11:19:03 GMT
No, personally, I just wouldn't.
As a shopper, I'd love a new b&m store to touch and feel all the new goodies.
But realistically, a small business owner probably couldn't do enough business to cover overhead, absorb losses due to stale stock, and compete with big box stores to make a living.
In the age of online consumerism, you need to have new stock nearly weekly to keep it fresh.
It would really be difficult to be successful at.
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Post by woodysbetty on Nov 5, 2018 11:46:34 GMT
That's a tough road ...make sure you don't lose what you love to the headaches of trying to run a business. I wouldn't do it, as brick an mortar businesses consume your time in ways you don't even realize and requires your physical presence to grow and stay healthy. My perspective comes from a yoga studio and not a papercrafting adventure but some of the issues are clearly the same...the basic business is not a huge money maker, classes and workshops carry it and they take a huge investment of time and talent. Whatever you decide I wish you success!!
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 5, 2018 12:25:46 GMT
Yes, I think it would be a mistake. There is a reason so many LSS have gone out of business.
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Post by paperamy on Nov 5, 2018 12:29:41 GMT
That's a tough road ...make sure you don't lose what you love to the headaches of trying to run a business. I wouldn't do it, as brick an mortar businesses consume your time in ways you don't even realize and requires your physical presence to grow and stay healthy. My perspective comes from a yoga studio and not a papercrafting adventure but some of the issues are clearly the same...the basic business is not a huge money maker, classes and workshops carry it and they take a huge investment of time and talent. Whatever you decide I wish you success!! My friend opened a local shop based off her online shop. She has a laser cutting machine, and makes large wooden monograms, engraved cups, etc. She also has gift shop consignment type booths. I don’t know how they are doing financially but I know something about her time, she’s told me she’s at the shop until at least 7pm or 8pm on the weekdays. On Friday and Saturday, her family stays overnight at the shop and she usually works until 10pm to 12am. (They bought a huge building so they’ve converted some of the back area to living quarters with couches and a TV/gaming setup for their son.) She seems happy with her business but that is a lot of time she invests in her shop. Her husband has a full time 7-5 job M-F and then goes to the shop to work with her after hours and on the weekends. He seems more stressed than he was before she opened the store.
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Post by cbscrapper on Nov 5, 2018 12:33:21 GMT
Lots of good advice in this thread. I’ll add that if you can, I’d suggest trying to talk with the owner of Scrappin in the City in Nashville. I heard her describe her business model on an episode of The Scrapgals podcast, and it seemed like a pretty brilliant way to keep fresh stock for those who want the latest product and also satisfy the bargain hunters. I also think being able to open in a house vs renting a commercial building seems the more affordable route.
Good luck with your decision!
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Post by myboysnme on Nov 5, 2018 13:00:05 GMT
One of the last remaining scrapbook stores in my area is being sold or closing in January. When I saw your post I hoped you were considering buying it!
I am going to answer as a customer. At this point I could see myself spending $20-$30 every month or two at your store. I would come to crop. I am an avid scrapbooker but I do not buy entire collections and I only scrap. I don't make cards, home projects, or any artistic type things. I buy albums online, which is getting harder to do. So how many of me would you need to make a go at your store?
The only way I could see you making it is to expand the niche. Maybe have wine and painting parties using some kind of scrapartz products. Maybe do children's birthday parties - their moms come in the store that way added bonus. Expand to all kinds of paper arts. Teach diecut machines that have tee shirt and home project ability and teach people to make them.
Have a small obscure rental space because scrappers will find you. Have a good crop area that can be multi purpose - and have it be retail space when not in use.
Also be prepared to work weekends and evenings and to not make money, but if you do it because you love it, then store ownership will be your hobby.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 13:22:42 GMT
I want to open a scrapbook/craft store here in SW Houston. Yah or Nay? Do you think scrapbooking has died off and it wouldn't support a LSS now? Cindy Aren’t there already a couple of scrapbook stores and a stamp store in Houston?
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Post by scrappyesq on Nov 5, 2018 13:45:43 GMT
If you have a business degree, a scrapbook background, know how to manage people (customers, vendors and employees), and have enough money for stock and enough money to carry you for 1 year (2 is better), then why not.
All of this with a strong social media/ online shopping presence and I totally think you could do it.
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Post by Leone on Nov 5, 2018 13:51:58 GMT
Terrible mistake. I seriously was going to do that at the height of the scrapbook industry. If you get a SBA loan, you have to put your house up as collateral, I almost did that. Maybe in ten years when the industry may get popular again...who would have thought macrame would make a comeback!
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Post by julie5 on Nov 5, 2018 13:56:32 GMT
There’s someone on Instagram who went from online only to brick and mortar as well. It doesn’t look like she gets much foot traffic from what she shares. You’d be better off opening an online store and even that would be risky. I own a business and we have to sell a lot of stuff to break even. I cannot imagine dollar sheets of paper-you’d have to sell 10,000 sheets in my business every month. More after taxes.
I wanted to open a bakery, but after crunching numbers and realizing I would have to sell a hundred cookies a day to turn a profit-I decided against it.
If you don’t care about money and just want a cool place to hang out at-go for it. But if profit is the desired outcome, you’ll be chasing every single sale. I sell profession products to the people who require them for their job. Even then sales are really tough right now. Amazon and the like are making niche markets disappear.
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Post by scrapnnana on Nov 5, 2018 14:52:44 GMT
After reading additional responses, I decided to add a few more thoughts.
I disagree that opening a scrabook store is a bad idea these days. However, you have to have a very wide appeal, offer products, services, and classes that the big box craft stores can't. You need to have a business background, and the right location. It's a tall order. Most of the LSS that ended up closing were not able to meet all those requirements.
I once considered opening a scrapbook store. Others in the area where I used to live (Northern VA) beat me to it. I got to know the owners of two of the stores fairly well because I taught classes at their stores and got to be good friends with them. After seeing what it took to run their LSS, I was very glad that I never did open my own LSS.
After I moved to the DFW area, I was happy to find there are 3 LSS here, but NONE are in easy driving distance for me. One of the 3 LSS here recently moved to a location that is more like a consignment shop with booths. She now has 4 booths there. That LSS owner never had any employees. It was just her to run the business, so it appears this was the only way she could keep her LSS open. The best LSS in the area is in a big storefront, in a small town SE of DFW. It takes me 1 hour 15 minutes to drive there. They seem to be doing well, but they do mixed media, and all kinds of fun classes. They have a really decent sized inventory. If I want to make the drive, they are definitely the store where I prefer to shop. The third LSS has a small store and a very limited inventory. They do a lot of faith journals, card making, and home decor classes and kits. They are the most convenient for me, but my stash seems bigger than their stock. They seem to do fairly well, though. They have their loyal customer base.
You definitely want to do your homework before you decide to take such a plunge. It is possible to succeed, but it is not easy. It would take over your life. You would have little to no time to do any crafting of your own. Good luck whatever you decide.
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Post by Citygirl on Nov 5, 2018 15:09:32 GMT
Lots of good advice in this thread. I’ll add that if you can, I’d suggest trying to talk with the owner of Scrappin in the City in Nashville. I heard her describe her business model on an episode of The Scrapgals podcast, and it seemed like a pretty brilliant way to keep fresh stock for those who want the latest product and also satisfy the bargain hunters. I also think being able to open in a house vs renting a commercial building seems the more affordable route. Good luck with your decision! I second this....it was a very good & informative episode. I believe she said she hired a professional to help her with her business model. My LSS does a lot of the same things as this store and is successful. Special ordering product for people is a must.
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Post by katlady on Nov 5, 2018 15:17:19 GMT
As others have mentioned, you have to sell a ton of low priced items to make the rent. I think one thing that helps a scrap store is having classes that use a lot of products so that customers will buy those products after the class. Also having crops I think helps. And know your market. Maybe there are a lot of mixed media people in your area.
One small store I used to love would never reorder. Their customers knew this and would be sure to make it to the store often to check out the new stuff. They also had classes with some of the bigger names in the industry of the time.
Whatever you decide, good luck! It is a lot of hard work and my take the fun out of scrapping for you.
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Post by Ryann on Nov 5, 2018 17:15:23 GMT
I live in San Diego and as far as I know, our last independently owned scrap stores closed earlier this year. What has become very popular are scrapbook retreat houses (there are 5 just in north San Diego county and others in neighboring counties) as well as scrapbooking retreats held at hotels. You can often find "pop up" scrapbook stores at these. The owner of one of the "pop up" scrap stores bought a used food truck and converted it into a mobile scrap store that she drives to weekend retreats that she hosts or is a vendor at. She seems to be doing quite well in her business!
If I was going to open a scrap store, I would go for that kind of model instead. Have a 3-4 day retreat weekend either at a hotel, airbnb or actual craft retreat house (if they exist in Houston?) and have a pop-up scrap shop there. You would have no overhead and don't necessarily need employees if you able and willing to do any physical labor/selling by yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 17:30:34 GMT
Lots of good advice in this thread. I’ll add that if you can, I’d suggest trying to talk with the owner of Scrappin in the City in Nashville. I heard her describe her business model on an episode of The Scrapgals podcast, and it seemed like a pretty brilliant way to keep fresh stock for those who want the latest product and also satisfy the bargain hunters. I also think being able to open in a house vs renting a commercial building seems the more affordable route. Good luck with your decision! Scrappin in the City is in Knoxville, not Nashville. Nashville doesn’t have any scrapbook stores.
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Post by myboysnme on Nov 5, 2018 19:08:19 GMT
What has become very popular are scrapbook retreat houses This may be a great idea if you can get a partner or hire someone for a few hours at check in, etc. There are 2 near my mom's house and every weekend they are booked. There are 4 bedrooms with 2 beds in each room, a kitchen, a social area (like a living room), 2 bathrooms and then a large scrap area that seats I believe 12 (5 on each side and one on each end) and the other half of the crop area is a store with not only staple items but old and new stock. The Michaels and AC Moore is just 5 miles away so there is not much of what someone can get there, but if you are scrapping and need olive green cardstock, you can get it there. They do not offer meals. It is basically no frills. But it is in a house and sits convenient to a food store.
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Post by wagleg on Nov 5, 2018 21:56:56 GMT
Let me just say this. Watch you tube videos of Tuesday Morning Hauls. Some of the best hauls come out of the Houston stores. They have also added a store called King Dollar which sells scrap stuff. Would you be able to consistently compete at 50% off prices. Are people really looking for scrapbook stuff or scrapbook stuff at great prices. People love getting a bargain. It would be difficult to compete I think. I regularly go to Scrappin Goodtime in Corsicana. The owner is Suzie. I’m sure she would talk to you. The only reason I go there is, she has an attached crop space and room for overnight. Otherwise I wouldn’t go. My weekends are too short for a long drive.
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